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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jul 26 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  19. # [02:12] <Hixie> Philip`: yt?
  20. # [02:12] <Philip`> Hixie: Sort of, but also sort of playing TF2
  21. # [02:13] <Philip`> so I'll be here for about fifteen seconds while respawning, a few times a minute
  22. # [02:13] <Hixie> ok
  23. # [02:13] <Hixie> that's cool
  24. # [02:14] <Hixie> i was wondering if you could give me a rundown of what the access characteristics of your issue list script are intended to be
  25. # [02:14] <Hixie> i.e. does it redownload every email every day, or just new ones, or what?
  26. # [02:14] <Hixie> and is it trying to do one request per minute, or what?
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  28. # [02:14] <Hixie> or as fast as possible, or something slower?
  29. # [02:15] <Philip`> It only downloads data when someone requests a page
  30. # [02:15] <Hixie> (it's not causing problems, i'm just trying to understand the patterns i'm seeing)
  31. # [02:15] <Philip`> The category listings get cached for 24 hours
  32. # [02:15] <Philip`> The individual emails get cached forever
  33. # [02:15] <Hixie> aah, so it must be google doing a hit per minute or something
  34. # [02:16] <Philip`> It could be Google hitting me and causing me to hit you
  35. # [02:16] <Hixie> so what i'm seeing on my side is that every minute or so, i get a request from you, which spawns my server, which then tries to live for ten minutes and time out, except that because google is hitting you less than that, the server basically never times out
  36. # [02:16] <Hixie> is there any chance i can get you to aggressively precache once per day or something?
  37. # [02:16] <Hixie> the data is only refreshed once per day anyway
  38. # [02:16] <Hixie> there's no rush on this
  39. # [03:02] <heycam> Hixie, correct (re a way to indicate whether interface properties or named item lookups take precedence)
  40. # [03:03] <heycam> Hixie, would you like one?
  41. # [03:03] * heycam breakfasts
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  50. # [04:42] <Philip`> Hixie: Oops, it had fast respawn times and I got distracted
  51. # [04:43] <Philip`> I think it should be quite possible for me to set something up that forces all the caching to happen at once
  52. # [04:43] <Philip`> but I need to sleep now, and I'll probably forget, so feel free to remind me at some point in the near future
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  59. # [07:08] <Hixie> heycam: yes please
  60. # [07:08] <Hixie> Philip`: ok
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  105. # [19:41] <Windstoss> Assuming, a ressource (say, an image) requested with GET is listed in the applications cache manifest. There is network connectivity. The image in the cache is older than the one on the server. Now, is this image loaded from cache before the application cache update process has replaced the older image with the recent one? So, in other words, does the user see the old image first, before, perhaps a script updates the image?
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  110. # [20:32] <Hixie> Windstoss: once something is in an application cache, all network uses that cache (except online whitelist stuff and fallback stuff)
  111. # [20:32] <Hixie> Windstoss: and teh cache gets updated every now and then
  112. # [20:33] <Windstoss> Hixie: Thanks again :)
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  114. # [20:50] <hsivonen> I find it sad that extracting Dublin Core is put forward as a GRDDL/profile use case. It doesn't work with all the HTML doc out there that have <title> but no profele
  115. # [20:50] <hsivonen> profile even
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  120. # [21:06] <zcorpan> Hixie: is it possible to see the IP of a user from the admin panel? there's a new spammer "BUYIT"
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  122. # [21:12] * hsivonen think telling the recipient to run an XSLT program to get at metadata violates the Principle of Least power
  123. # [21:12] <hsivonen> thinks even
  124. # [21:12] <gsnedders> Anyone able to look anything up in the OED around?
  125. # [21:12] <gsnedders> Is pre-existing hyphenated or not?
  126. # [21:13] * hsivonen would hyphenate 'pre-existing' but not 'cooperative'
  127. # [21:13] * gsnedders would hyphenate both
  128. # [21:21] <tndH> it's listed as "pre-existing"
  129. # [21:23] <gsnedders> tndH: thx
  130. # [21:28] <hsivonen> can someone explain me hwy the GRDDL/profile approach to serving RDF data to a client doesn't violate this TAG finding: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower ?
  131. # [21:28] <hsivonen> or is the Semantic Web in violation of Architecture, too?
  132. # [21:32] * gsnedders wouldn't be surprised
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  139. # [21:57] <zcorpan> hmm it might be better to instead of deleting spammers' accounts, just deactivating them; that way both the account name and the email address are effectively banned
  140. # [22:07] <gsnedders> Something very bizarre is happening.
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  144. # [22:14] <gsnedders> <h1>foo</h1><section><h1>foo</h1></section>
  145. # [22:14] <gsnedders> I suppose the second foo being within the first is expected
  146. # [22:15] <gsnedders> <section><h1>foo</h1></section><h1>bar</h1>
  147. # [22:15] <gsnedders> foo is a child of bar
  148. # [22:15] <gsnedders> huh?
  149. # [22:21] <gsnedders> Hmm. It'd be nice to have a outline view in the live dom viewer
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