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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 31 00:00:01 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <gsnedders> Yay!
  4. # [00:00] <gsnedders> Only one thing blocking release of 1.0b1 now
  5. # [00:00] <gsnedders> (docs)
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  8. # [00:10] <tusho> Is rel="author" meaningful?
  9. # [00:13] <webben> tusho: in the sense of it being obvious what's intended? it is to me.
  10. # [00:13] <tusho> :P
  11. # [00:13] <tusho> Just wondering if anything did anything with it.
  12. # [00:14] <webben> like what?
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  14. # [00:15] <webben> well, actually I guess one could use it when generating a citation
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  25. # [00:18] <Hixie> so i've allowed <a> to contain blocks
  26. # [00:18] <Hixie> now i have to work out what this does to our definition of paragraph
  27. # [00:18] <Hixie> because at the moment it doesn't match css's behaviour
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  34. # [00:18] <tusho> Hixie: "oh and by the way, i've just detonated a nuclear device"
  35. # [00:18] <tusho> "on another note..."
  36. # [00:19] <gsnedders> tusho: In Norway?
  37. # [00:19] <tusho> gsnedders: :-)
  38. # [00:19] <gsnedders> tusho: (I assume that comment is related to #html-wg)
  39. # [00:20] <tusho> gsnedders: I was just commenting on "so i've allowed <a> to contain blocks"
  40. # [00:20] <tusho> and its offhand form of delivery
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  42. # [00:21] <Hixie> i guess i'll just make <a> elements transparent to the definition, like <ins> and <del>
  43. # [00:22] <gsnedders> Hixie: I guess it hasn't much affect, as <a><p>foo</a> is already linked nowadays
  44. # [00:22] <Hixie> doesn't affect implementations
  45. # [00:22] <Hixie> affects henri and authos
  46. # [00:23] <Hixie> though i screwed up the notification when i commited it
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  50. # [00:39] <Hixie> http://www.w3.org/mid/4890704F.7040501@cam.ac.uk is the most concise description of what IE does i've ever seen
  51. # [00:39] <Hixie> and hoo boy does it blow most preconceptions out of the water
  52. # [00:41] <Philip`> It's only concise because it ignores almost all of the details :-p
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  55. # [00:51] <Philip`> Hmm, apparently IE treats unknown tags as empty because if it parsed them as containers then IE3 ran out of stack space on some common bogus content
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  57. # [00:51] <gavin_> heh
  58. # [00:59] <Lachy> Philip`, the <xml:namespace prefix=v> thing needs to be a processing instruction, using the SGML syntax, not the XML syntax (i.e. no trailing '?')
  59. # [00:59] <Lachy> so it's <?xml:namespace ...>
  60. # [01:00] <Philip`> Lachy: It works as both <xml:namespace> and <?xml:namespace>
  61. # [01:00] <Lachy> oh
  62. # [01:00] <Lachy> ok
  63. # [01:00] <Lachy> I analysed IE's handling of XML crap before http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2006Sep/0057.html
  64. # [01:06] <Lachy> IE actually handles both <?xml:namespace /> and <xml:namespace /> in exactly the same way, by adding the <?xml:... /> one to the DOM, which is visible by looking at the .innerHTML of the document
  65. # [01:11] <Philip`> Does it actually add it to the DOM, or does the innerHTML getter synthesise it for output?
  66. # [01:12] <Philip`> (e.g. adding it just before it emits a tag that uses that namespace)
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  70. # [01:54] <Lachy> Philip`, I don't know how it works in detail. But I don't believe it's possible to see it via any other DOM methods. But that's probably because IE doesn't support the ProcessingInstruction node interface
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  94. # [03:23] <jcranmer> falling asleep on a bus takes about ten minutes for me
  95. # [03:23] <jcranmer> er, wrong channel
  96. # [03:24] <takkaria> good to know, though. :)
  97. # [03:25] <jcranmer> (related to the rock slide on the main Whistler-Vancouver highway)
  98. # [03:27] <jcranmer> I now get to get on a bus at midnight, catch a flight at noon, and getting to my home airport at 10 PM (assuming no problems), to get home closish to 11
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  109. # [05:22] <Hixie> we crossed the 2000 pending e-mail barrier! only 1933 e-mails left!
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  112. # [05:53] <Hixie> i ordered something form amazon which shipped and went to the USPS' HEBRON KY facility
  113. # [05:53] <Hixie> and then stopped
  114. # [05:53] <Hixie> it's been there for days now
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  117. # [06:13] * Hixie chuckles at daniel's e-mail
  118. # [06:13] <Hixie> i'm glad i'm not the only one who had that reaction :-)
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  168. # [11:16] <zcorpan> LOL
  169. # [11:17] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.62.0807310535280.3295@hixie.dreamhostps.com
  170. # [11:17] <zcorpan> Hixie: do i always do that? :P
  171. # [11:19] <Hixie> wow, someone actually read to the end :-D
  172. # [11:20] <zcorpan> heh
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  177. # [11:57] <MikeSmith> Hixie: do you have online or in subversion the source for the W3C version of the header for the HTML5 spec?
  178. # [11:57] <MikeSmith> I want to try to just give you a patch with the proposed additions
  179. # [11:57] <MikeSmith> if that'll work for you
  180. # [11:58] <MikeSmith> otherwise, I can just from the Overview.html that checked into dev.w3.org CVS
  181. # [11:59] <Hixie> i'd rather just get the list of changes you want, but if you really want to do a patch, the source file is http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/header-w3c
  182. # [11:59] <MikeSmith> OK
  183. # [11:59] <MikeSmith> I can just send you the list too
  184. # [12:00] <Hixie> bed time now, anyway :-)
  185. # [12:00] <Hixie> nn
  186. # [12:00] <MikeSmith> night
  187. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: you around? I wanted to ask if the sources for the schemas you use for validator.nu are static sources you maintain manually or if you have build that uses Petr Nalevka's schemas in some way.
  188. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> The reason I ask is that I remember when I reported the error with the <ins> content model, you made a change in http://svn.versiondude.net/whattf/validator/trunk/schema/xhtml10/edit.rnc
  189. # [12:04] <MikeSmith> hmm.. or does validator.nu actually use the http://svn.versiondude.net/whattf/syntax/trunk/relaxng schemas at all?
  190. # [12:07] <MikeSmith> oops, I asked because I saw "svn log" was telling me no changes had been made to the revision.rnc file since January
  191. # [12:07] <MikeSmith> but I see the content model was already correct in there
  192. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> but then, I guess if validator.nu had actually been using that instead of Petr's schema, I would not have observed the error I got
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  196. # [12:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: the preset schemas are maintained by me manually.
  197. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: I see
  198. # [12:25] <hsivonen> and yes, http://svn.versiondude.net/whattf/syntax/trunk/relaxng are used for HTML5
  199. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: I'm confused about why I ran into that error in spite of the http://svn.versiondude.net/whattf/syntax/trunk/relaxng having had the correct content model at that time
  200. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> as far as I can see
  201. # [12:30] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: was the error in HTML5 or XHTML 1.0?
  202. # [12:30] <hsivonen> (afk)
  203. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> ah, I guess was checking XHTML 1.0 source
  204. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> that had to be what it was
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  212. # [14:58] <hsivonen> Philip`: what headers do I need to show to wikimedia servers in order to be able to download stuff?
  213. # [15:00] <Philip`> hsivonen: I think I might have just had to remove wget's User-Agent header
  214. # [15:03] <hsivonen> hmm. I wonder how to compute the /0/0b/ bit: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/2001-5_Gubernatorial_election_map.svg
  215. # [15:03] <Philip`> First two hex digits of the MD5 of the filename, if I remember correctly
  216. # [15:04] <hsivonen> as UTF-8 I presume?
  217. # [15:04] <Philip`> I didn't worry about that :-)
  218. # [15:05] <Philip`> $ echo -n '2001-5_Gubernatorial_election_map.svg' | md5sum
  219. # [15:05] <Philip`> 0b4c683b9c7a33f7178e7276e49c261e -
  220. # [15:05] <Philip`> (That seems about right)
  221. # [15:05] <hsivonen> and is /0/ always /0/?
  222. # [15:05] <Philip`> That's the first hex digit of the MD5
  223. # [15:06] <Philip`> and the /0b/ is the first two
  224. # [15:06] <hsivonen> Philip`: thanks
  225. # [15:06] <hsivonen> it appears that concocting a non-wget UA string doesn't work, but using a browser-looking string works...
  226. # [15:07] <Philip`> What about no UA string at all?
  227. # [15:07] <hsivonen> Philip`: 403
  228. # [15:07] <Philip`> Oh, okay
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  231. # [15:08] <Philip`> (I think my download script was just a line of bash and it's not in my command history and it's not saved anywhere else)
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  238. # [15:35] <hendry> how do you specify required/mandatory in the w3c webidl? a comment?
  239. # [15:39] <Lachy> hendry, in what context?
  240. # [15:40] <hendry> Lachy: for e.g. http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html#position latitude, longitude are mandatory, whilst heading isn't
  241. # [15:42] <Lachy> I think you have to specify that in the prose, where you define how to create the object, by specifying what each value must be set to in different circumstances
  242. # [15:44] <hendry> Lachy: do you have an example?
  243. # [15:46] <zcorpan> hendry: why not just allow it to always be null?
  244. # [15:46] <Lachy> well, it currently says "... If the implementation cannot provide heading information, the value of this attribute must be null." That seems fine to me
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  247. # [15:47] <Lachy> but it doesn't define what to do if either the latitude or longditude isn't available.
  248. # [15:48] <hendry> just for extra clarity i thought it could be in the IDL
  249. # [15:48] <hendry> as well as the "prose" / text below
  250. # [15:53] <Lachy> hendry, in the section just above that for the PositionOptions interface, it says "The errorCallback and enableHiqhAccuracy attributes are optional." It's not clear to me what that means, nor where the errorCallback attribute is defined
  251. # [15:54] <Lachy> unless you're referring to the errorCallback parameter used in other methods defined earlier in the spec
  252. # [15:55] <Lachy> hmm, I guess I should review that spec in more detail one day
  253. # [15:55] <hendry> Lachy: sooner the better. Web 3.0 is waiting my man
  254. # [15:56] <Lachy> are you the editor of the spec?
  255. # [15:56] <hendry> Lachy: no
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  257. # [15:56] <Lachy> oh, I thought by the way you were asking, you were wondering how you could improve the spec.
  258. # [15:58] <hendry> yes, of course i want to improve it :) i want it done yesterday
  259. # [16:01] * gsnedders wonders whether to be a pedantic asshole
  260. # [16:01] <gsnedders> "the text of header elements" — what's "the text"?
  261. # [16:01] <Lachy> gsnedders, you are always like that
  262. # [16:01] <Lachy> ;-)
  263. # [16:02] <gsnedders> Lachy: No, almost always :)
  264. # [16:02] <Lachy> gsnedders, it may refer to the text content
  265. # [16:02] <Lachy> but it's difficult to know without a bit more context
  266. # [16:02] <hsivonen> wow. generating namespace prefixes without bugs is more complex than I had thought
  267. # [16:03] <gsnedders> Lachy: Look at 4.3.7 The header element
  268. # [16:06] <Lachy> gsnedders, I assume it's referring to the text that would be used for the purpose of creating a document outline. But if it's not used in the outline algorithm, then I don't know what it's for
  269. # [16:06] <Lachy> hsivonen, why are you trying to generate namespace prefixes?
  270. # [16:06] <gsnedders> I suppose for giving the header of the outline
  271. # [16:06] <gsnedders> But for the sake of numbering, do I number that header?
  272. # [16:07] <hsivonen> Lachy: because using a serializer written by someone else and left unmaintained sucks too
  273. # [16:07] <Lachy> what do you mean by the header of the outline?
  274. # [16:08] <gsnedders> s/outline/section/
  275. # [16:08] <Lachy> hsivonen, why is the content you're serialising using namespaces?
  276. # [16:09] * hendry wonders if there is a JS graphing library that could render something like this in canvas or SVG http://port70.net/~nsz/dwm-sloc.png
  277. # [16:09] <hsivonen> Lachy: If I write an XML serializer, I write one that works in the general case
  278. # [16:09] <Lachy> oh, ok
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  280. # [16:10] <hsivonen> anyway, it probably surprises no one, but getting namespaces right is by far the hardest part of writing a SAX to XML serializer
  281. # [16:11] <hsivonen> Lachy: if I didn't make it general purpose, and later I'd use it in an unexpected way, Philip` could provoke Validator.nu to emit ill-formed output and I could be ridiculed as a bozo
  282. # [16:11] <Lachy> LOL
  283. # [16:15] <zcorpan> Hixie: the link on http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list should be #commits not #commit
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  285. # [16:16] <zcorpan> hsivonen: but everyone is a bozo anyway
  286. # [16:18] <hsivonen> Lachy: also, I want a serializer that doesn't leak the prefix choices from an XSLT program into the output
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  289. # [16:20] <gsnedders> I wonder how complex it would be to take a CharMapML file and a binary string, and convert it to Unicode
  290. # [16:21] <takkaria> oh, WF2 integration in HTML5. that'd be nice
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  292. # [16:32] <Lachy> hsivonen, then in such cases, where do you obtain the appropriate prefixes from, or do you just generate them randomly?
  293. # [16:33] <Lachy> gsnedders, what?
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  311. # [17:57] <Philip`> hendry: Why JS? It seems easier to e.g. use Gnuplot's SVG output, if you just want a static graph in a scalable web-friendly format
  312. # [17:58] <hober> hendry: google's chart api could probably handle that
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  327. # [19:02] <takkaria> Philip`: I'm amazed at how long a sort -R of dmoz urls is taking
  328. # [19:03] <Philip`> takkaria: How much RAM do you have?
  329. # [19:03] <takkaria> just the 2GB
  330. # [19:03] <Philip`> I think 'sort' uses temporary files as scratch space when it's processing a lot of data
  331. # [19:04] <Philip`> The first time I did this, I used Perl to slurp the entire file into an array in memory and then randomise it and print it out again
  332. # [19:04] <Philip`> which used rather a lot of RAM, but did actually work and didn't take forever (but wasn't particularly fast either)
  333. # [19:04] * takkaria appears to only be using ~40% of RAM at the moment
  334. # [19:05] <Philip`> where "rather a lot" was a bit more than 2GB, if I remember correctly
  335. # [19:05] <Philip`> (on a machine with 4GB RAM, so that was alright)
  336. # [19:05] <takkaria> ouch
  337. # [19:05] <takkaria> I don't have any machines with RAM >2GB
  338. # [19:06] <takkaria> times like these it would be nice to have a shell account on a supercomputer
  339. # [19:06] <Philip`> You could trim the file down substantially, e.g. skip a random 99% of the lines, and then randomise the output from that
  340. # [19:07] <Philip`> (By the way, be careful to remove duplicate URLs, and be careful to unescape the RDF XML (which I forgot to do since I just parsed it with regexps :-( ))
  341. # [19:09] <takkaria> yeah, I did the replacements and uniq stuff
  342. # [19:09] <takkaria> I found a very efficient method of extracting the URLs was simply perl -i -pe 's/&quot;/"/g' uniq-urllist
  343. # [19:09] <takkaria> grep "&" uniq-urllist | grep -v "amp"
  344. # [19:09] <takkaria> perl -i -pe 's/&amp;/&/g' uniq-urllist
  345. # [19:09] <takkaria> er, that was the wrong thing to paste
  346. # [19:09] <takkaria> 'grep "http://" content.rdf.u8 | cut -d\" -f2 >urllist' is what I meant
  347. # [19:10] <takkaria> then "grep ^http" again, to filter out the odd description/name which had an URL in it
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  349. # [19:11] <Philip`> Just out of interest, do you find 'grep' to be massively slower than 'LANG=C grep'?
  350. # [19:12] <Philip`> That was a pain to me when dealing with large files, until I realised setting LANG made it much faster, probably because my default locale was doing UTF-8 decoding of every line or something
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  352. # [19:13] <takkaria> LANG=c is faster, but only by about 1% or so
  353. # [19:13] <takkaria> my normal LANG is en_GB.UTF-8
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  355. # [19:15] <Philip`> Hmm, I'm using en_GB.UTF-8 by default too, but it goes ~30x faster with LANG=c
  356. # [19:15] <Philip`> on at least the two computers (one Gentoo, one Fedora) I've tested it on
  357. # [19:15] <takkaria> I'm an Ubuntuite
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  383. # [20:55] <nzkoz> hey guys, does anyone know the best way to get in contact with the validator.nu maintainer? I've been noticing strange results lately, just wondering if I should be reporting them somewhere
  384. # [20:55] <takkaria> nzkoz: the maintainer is hsivonen, he's here quite a lot
  385. # [20:56] <nzkoz> takkaria: thanks, I'll keep an eye out over the next few days, any idea what timezone he's in?
  386. # [20:56] <takkaria> european time
  387. # [20:57] <takkaria> possibly GMT+2 or GMT+3, I'm not sure
  388. # [20:57] <nzkoz> cool, same as me, so hopefully we overlap a bunch :)
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  391. # [21:31] <gsnedders> nzkoz: UTC+3
  392. # [21:32] <nzkoz> cheers
  393. # [21:45] <takkaria> Philip`: I now have a system that does roughly what yours does, except without Java ;)
  394. # [21:47] <takkaria> I don't cache headers, mind, but I do use wget -m which should be roughly the same
  395. # [21:48] <Philip`> takkaria: Does it do it with parallelism too? :-)
  396. # [21:48] <takkaria> yup
  397. # [21:49] <Philip`> Does it get confused by infinitely long web pages? :-)
  398. # [21:49] <takkaria> nope
  399. # [21:51] <takkaria> I get the master page list, split it into files of 100 urls each, then write a make rule that takes each list, and runs wget with a quota
  400. # [21:51] <takkaria> so make -j 4 does all the work for me wrt parallelism
  401. # [21:56] <Philip`> Sounds quite nice, then :-)
  402. # [21:56] <takkaria> I'm reasonably happy with it
  403. # [21:56] <Philip`> Hmm, only 4?
  404. # [21:56] <takkaria> I'm on a 100kB/s downstream connection :\
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  406. # [21:57] <takkaria> I'm just writing all the steps I did to get it up and running into a makefile so that you can run "make fetch", it'll grab the rdf list, grep, sed, uniq, sort, randomise, and fetch
  407. # [21:57] <Philip`> Ah, right
  408. # [21:58] * Philip` likes university internet connections :-)
  409. # [21:58] <takkaria> I'm tempted to pop within wifi range of mine tomorrow and get the 2MB/s connection
  410. # [21:59] <Philip`> I think the best I've seen is something like 50Mbit/s
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  412. # [22:01] <takkaria> speeds like that make me a little bit sad
  413. # [22:01] <takkaria> that said, I should have a4MB
  414. # [22:01] <takkaria> ... a 4MB/s connection fairly soon
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  423. # [22:33] <gsnedders> Why on earth is Time Machine claiming not enough space?
  424. # [22:35] <gsnedders> ah! the sparebundle is too small
  425. # [22:35] <Hixie> timemachine sparsebundles auto-grow, no?
  426. # [22:35] <gsnedders> Um, yeah. Can't you create a sparseBundle big enough, kthxbai.
  427. # [22:36] <gsnedders> Hixie: They have a predefined max. size, IIRC
  428. # [22:36] <Hixie> for me, time machine just grows it whenever needed
  429. # [22:36] <Hixie> having said that i have a whole bunch of other problems doing timemachine over the network
  430. # [22:37] <gsnedders> Hixie: If you open the sparseBundle, you can find it's capacity
  431. # [22:37] <Hixie> and there's a maximum it won't go over?
  432. # [22:37] <Hixie> maybe that _is_ the problem i've been seeing then
  433. # [22:37] <gsnedders> Yeah
  434. # [22:40] <gsnedders> Hixie: hdiutil resize -size max -growonly [path to sparseBundle]
  435. # [22:40] <gsnedders> Hixie: Just don't have it mounted ;)
  436. # [22:40] <Hixie> disk utility lets you change all that much easier :-)
  437. # [22:40] <gsnedders> Does it allow you do that with disk images?
  438. # [22:40] <gsnedders> Oh.
  439. # [22:41] <Hixie> :-)
  440. # [22:41] * gsnedders shrugs
  441. # [22:41] <gsnedders> CLI is simple enough :)
  442. # [22:41] * Hixie has disk utility on his dock, at home
  443. # [22:41] <Hixie> my mac mini is so slow, poor mini
  444. # [22:43] * Joins: moeffju (i=moeffju@ubermutant.net)
  445. # [22:43] * gsnedders has Terminal in his dock
  446. # [22:43] <gsnedders> That does everything :)
  447. # [22:44] * Parts: moeffju (i=moeffju@ubermutant.net)
  448. # [22:46] * Quits: roc (n=roc@conference/mozilla-summit/x-5c8e7c33647a9e79)
  449. # [22:55] * gsnedders ought to pack before leaving tomorrow
  450. # [22:55] <Hixie> Terminal is the first thing I put in my Dock, always :-)
  451. # [22:55] <Hixie> usually, the only apps i have running are Terminal and 1 to 4 browsers
  452. # [22:59] * Joins: othermaciej_ (n=mjs@nat/apple/x-627a5639f701e2d8)
  453. # [22:59] * Quits: othermaciej (n=mjs@nat/apple/x-3c1b153152b1855f) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  454. # [23:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: Don't forget Finder!
  455. # [23:01] <gsnedders> :P
  456. # [23:02] <Hixie> i'd turn that off if i could!
  457. # [23:05] <gsnedders> Finder, Mail.app, Safari, Colloquy, SubEthaEdit, iTunes, and Terminal
  458. # [23:06] * Parts: scotfl (n=scotfl@S0106001b114f914a.ss.shawcable.net)
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  460. # [23:10] * Quits: ROBOd (n=robod@89.122.216.38) ("http://www.robodesign.ro")
  461. # [23:19] <gsnedders> Hixie: Re: <header>, if I'm numbering the section headers, where should the number go? The first highest ranking hx?
  462. # [23:19] <Hixie> yes
  463. # [23:19] <Hixie> though i would just treat <header> as implying no-toc no-num
  464. # [23:19] <Hixie> in a spec
  465. # [23:20] <gsnedders> meh. I don't really want behaviour like that anyway
  466. # [23:20] <gsnedders> by default I only do stuff from depth 2–6
  467. # [23:21] <gsnedders> I'll fix that for RC1
  468. # [23:22] <gsnedders> (I currently don't do anything special for header, more or less)
  469. # [23:22] <gsnedders> (in terms of it's text)
  470. # [23:22] <gsnedders> s/'//
  471. # [23:23] <Hixie> not doing anything special is fine too
  472. # [23:23] <gsnedders> well, I basically just treat it as if it were an hx element
  473. # [23:23] <Hixie> it's not like we use it; nor will we use it for anything but the actual <h1> header
  474. # [23:23] <Hixie> i expect
  475. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Which will lead to problems, I expect
  476. # [23:24] <gsnedders> But we don't use it yet, so who cares atm?
  477. # [23:24] * Quits: sverrej (n=sverrej@89.10.27.245) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  478. # [23:25] <Hixie> indeed
  479. # [23:28] <gsnedders> And I want to get b1 out before I go on holiday, and probably offline for two weeks
  480. # [23:28] <Hixie> no rush
  481. # [23:28] <Hixie> probably don't want to switch to spec gen just before publication anyway
  482. # [23:28] <Hixie> which will be in a couple of weeks or so
  483. # [23:28] <Hixie> so that's fine
  484. # [23:29] <Philip`>
  485. # [23:29] <Hixie> ?
  486. # [23:30] <gsnedders> It's a whole lotta notihng
  487. # [23:30] <gsnedders> *nothing
  488. # [23:32] * gsnedders adds a new test, just 'cos it fails
  489. # [23:32] <Philip`> Uh
  490. # [23:32] <Philip`> My internet connection is pretty broken, so I was just randomly hitting keys into my dead SSH session, and it looks like they actually got transmitted
  491. # [23:34] <Hixie> hah
  492. # [23:34] * Joins: mcarter (n=mcarter@li4-186.members.linode.com)
  493. # [23:38] <gsnedders> Hixie: svn.whatwg.org is down :\
  494. # [23:39] <Hixie> wfm
  495. # [23:39] <Hixie> no load or memory problems on the machine at the moment
  496. # [23:39] <Hixie> only minor nfs lag, nothing serious
  497. # [23:39] <Hixie> no unusual processes, either
  498. # [23:41] <gsnedders> working again now
  499. # [23:41] * Joins: jmb^ (n=jmb@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk)
  500. # [23:42] * gsnedders gets to the thing which he doesn't want to document
  501. # [23:42] <gsnedders> Detection of w3c status
  502. # [23:42] <gsnedders> This took me a while to reverse engineer :P
  503. # [23:43] <gsnedders> (in part because I was mislead by the docs)
  504. # [23:46] * aroben is now known as aroben|bbl
  505. # [23:46] * aroben|bbl is now known as aroben|away
  506. # [23:54] * Quits: jmb (n=jmb@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  507. # [23:55] * Joins: clotman (n=louis@shell.icgroup.com)
  508. # [23:59] <gsnedders> I probably should've started writing the ack section months ago
  509. # Session Close: Fri Aug 01 00:00:00 2008

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