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  20. # [02:21] <Lachy> Hixie, why does it matter if an image is stretched or not, for the purpose of conformance?
  21. # [02:21] <Hixie> why does it matter if a tag is closed or not, for the purpose of conformance?
  22. # [02:22] <Hixie> in almost all cases, stretching an image is a mistake. in the remaining cases where it is intentional, it's dubious practice. this argues for the author being notified of the problem.
  23. # [02:23] <Hixie> same as with anything else that is a conformance error
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  41. # [04:47] <kangax> Could anyone point to an SVG to Canvas converter?
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  71. # [09:56] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: yeah, it's just that one jar file
  72. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: yeah, I got it figured out finally
  73. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> I was using "jar -r" to run it
  74. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> and that caused it to ignore the datatype library despite the fact I had it in my classpath
  75. # [09:58] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: the -jar switch sucks
  76. # [09:58] <MikeSmith> yeah
  77. # [09:58] <MikeSmith> I should have known better than to try it
  78. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> anyway, I did manage to be able to run it, but not without fatal errors
  79. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> running against the HTML5 schema, I get java.lang.StackOverflowError
  80. # [10:01] <MikeSmith> at com.sun.msv.grammar.ExpressionCloner.onChoice(ExpressionCloner.java:37)
  81. # [10:02] <MikeSmith> anyway, I'm giving up on it
  82. # [10:03] <MikeSmith> and instead just writing a stylesheet to pre-process the schema and combine all the choice=combine stuff
  83. # [10:14] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: msv is no good with the default stack size of hotspot
  84. # [10:15] <hsivonen> -XX:ThreadStackSize=2048
  85. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: OK, trying now
  86. # [10:20] <MikeSmith> getting same error even with that switch
  87. # [10:21] <MikeSmith> but anyway, the idea is kind of a no-go regardless, due to that fact that it's going to restructure the whole schema
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  89. # [10:22] <MikeSmith> the only thing I really want is to just consolidate the @combine=choice stuff, which I think can manage to do with XSLT
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  92. # [11:26] <Lachy> oh, I wish what I wrote in IRC didn't get dragged into the thread on the mailing list :-(. I chose not to respond on the list for a reason.
  93. # [11:30] <Hixie> i hope mike is happy: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#fetching :-)
  94. # [11:33] * MikeSmith smiles
  95. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> Hixie: cool
  96. # [11:35] <MikeSmith> "At a time convenient to the user and the user agent" is an interesting phrase
  97. # [11:38] <Lachy> heh. It makes it sound like my browser should book an appointment with me to do the download :-)
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  103. # [13:29] <Hixie> nn
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  142. # [23:34] <Hixie> i think i might make alt="" required and say that when you don't know what the image is, you have to say what kind of image it is (e.g. "uploaded image", "photo", "thumbnil", or whatever) and put that in braces in the alt="" attribute, as in alt="{photo}"
  143. # [23:34] <Hixie> and that that is never allowd inside a link
  144. # [23:35] <Hixie> (in a link it should just give the text that is appropriate for the link, e.g. alt="View image" if it's a link to the image)
  145. # [23:37] <Hixie> this seems to handle all the cases that allowing alt="" to be omitted does, while verly mildly improving the accessibility of those images, and being slightly more compatible with legacy UAs
  146. # [23:37] <Hixie> (it affects some legacy pages, though not many, and certainly no more than the missing-alt-altogether case would)
  147. # [23:48] <takkaria> seems like a wise decision
  148. # [23:55] <Lachy> Hixie, why use curly braces instead of square brackets?
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  150. # [23:56] <jcranmer> Lachy: it's more exotic
  151. # [23:56] <jcranmer> and probably less likely to conflict
  152. # [23:57] <Lachy> ok, makes sense
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