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  3. # [00:05] <annevk> hsivonen, reading that site, sounds bad :/
  4. # [00:07] <annevk> I might try to buy http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonictz5/ as it seems reasonably good, except at high ISO values but apparently all compacts aren't very good in that area
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  6. # [00:07] <annevk> excluding extras it's about ~350EUR which seems acceptable
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  26. # [01:03] <annevk> hsivonen, http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/08/markup_validator_updated.html
  27. # [01:06] <annevk> hmm, they removed the XML media type warning for mislabeled XHTML
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  36. # [01:41] <Philip`> Hmm, I need to go on holiday instead of continuing the alt discussion - what a dreadful shame :-(
  37. # [01:47] <Philip`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ - <meta name="DCTERMS.modified" content="2076-02-12T12:00:00Z" /> - yay for metadata
  38. # [01:51] <Philip`> (And DCTERMS.modified doesn't even exist, according to the declared schema)
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  40. # [01:58] * eseidel wonders if anyone is interested in a theoretical discussion about <canvas> patterns? :)
  41. # [01:58] <eseidel> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#createpattern
  42. # [01:59] <eseidel> Safari's current behavior is slightly differnet from the spec, in that if an image is still loading off the network when createPattern is called with an HTMLImageElement parameter, the pattern will draw the image when it's finally loaded
  43. # [01:59] <eseidel> it will even draw it in incremental states :)
  44. # [01:59] * eseidel should really email the list
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  47. # [02:08] <Philip`> eseidel: That sounds unpleasantly unpredictable
  48. # [02:08] <eseidel> Philip`: yeah, I'm gonna change iet to make a copy
  49. # [02:08] <eseidel> Philip`, Hixie: but i sent a note to the whatwg list all the same
  50. # [02:08] <eseidel> this will now force web authors to listen for image load evnets
  51. # [02:08] <eseidel> which they might be doing anyway
  52. # [02:08] <Philip`> I think the spec just says it should throw an exception on createPattern if it's not complete
  53. # [02:09] <eseidel> If the image argument is an HTMLImageElement object whose complete attribute is false, then the implementation must raise an INVALID_STATE_ERR exception.
  54. # [02:09] <eseidel> oh
  55. # [02:09] <eseidel> it does
  56. # [02:09] <eseidel> nm then
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  58. # [02:09] <Philip`> "If the image argument is an HTMLImageElement object whose complete attribute is false, then the implementation must raise an INVALID_STATE_ERR exception."
  59. # [02:12] <Philip`> http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html#2d.pattern.image.incomplete possibly isn't entirely helpful since it assumes new Image().complete == false (since the spec says so), which is untrue in reality
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  120. # [09:51] <heycam> hsivonen, yt?
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  130. # [10:38] <hsivonen> heycam: I am now.
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  138. # [11:33] <heycam> hsivonen, was gonna ask: how come http://s.validator.nu/xhtml10/text.rnc removes xml:space from <pre>?
  139. # [11:34] * heycam afk again
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  141. # [11:39] <hsivonen> heycam: hmm. must be a bug
  142. # [11:41] <hsivonen> heycam: It's now a common attribute, isn't it?
  143. # [11:42] <hsivonen> hmm. it's not a common attribute. sigh
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  146. # [11:58] <jacobolus> annevk: i'm a bit late here, but if you want a compact camera w/ a small lens, there is no way 10 Mpx will actually be useful (the extra data will be some combination of noise and blur)
  147. # [12:03] <mcarter> do any of the opera SSE implementations have a way to set the retry interval, like the current spec does?
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  149. # [12:09] <annevk> mcarter, no
  150. # [12:09] <annevk> jacobolus, ok, thanks
  151. # [12:09] <annevk> jacobolus, I will most likely buy this model: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Panasonic/panasonic_dmctz5.asp
  152. # [12:10] <mcarter> annevk, does it (the application/x-dom-event-stream SSE) auto-reconnect when a response completes?
  153. # [12:11] <annevk> mcarter, it should, yes
  154. # [12:11] <mcarter> annevk, i don't suppose you recall if it does so immediately or not?
  155. # [12:11] <jacobolus> mcarter: I don't think so
  156. # [12:11] <jacobolus> mcarter: try it! :)
  157. # [12:12] <annevk> mcarter, what jacobolus said
  158. # [12:16] <mcarter> so it seems to reconnect automatically after a 5 second delay
  159. # [12:17] <jacobolus> really? did it do that in 8.x? huh.
  160. # [12:18] <mcarter> annevk, do you recall if there's a way to attach a trigger for when the stream completes, if i wanted to, for instance, remove the stream when the response completes?
  161. # [12:21] <hsivonen> heycam: hmm. My local copy works. For some reason, the deployment copy isn't pulling stuff from svn correctly or something, so you see a partial & broken "fix"
  162. # [12:21] <hsivonen> heycam: I'll investigate
  163. # [12:31] <hsivonen> heycam: fix deployed
  164. # [12:31] <annevk> mcarter, maybe use a special event that removes the stream?
  165. # [12:32] <mcarter> annevk, yeah, that works. But in the case of a network breakage it falls apart
  166. # [12:32] <annevk> mcarter, as in, the page registers a special listener for the "removestream" event and when it gets that from the server it kills the connection
  167. # [12:32] <annevk> mcarter, true
  168. # [12:32] <hsivonen> heycam: thanks
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  182. # [14:45] <hsivonen> we should have a standard form for explaining why Web spec feature suggestions don't work like the Slashdot spam form (http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=623883&cid=24314727)
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  193. # [16:13] <heycam> hsivonen, thanks
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  198. # [18:02] <takkaria> I wonder if IE's authoratitive=true MIME header will disable sniffing on the charset too
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  239. # [23:52] <Hixie> hsivonen: that form is pretty close already
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