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  1. # Session Start: Sun Aug 17 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] * gsnedders is wondering if he can be bothered to not be lazy for long enough to apply to uni in the US
  4. # [00:01] <Xenos> Why would you apply for uni in the US?
  5. # [00:01] <Xenos> I mean, rather than somewhere civilized :p
  6. # [00:01] <gsnedders> IMO (which by definition is not humble), there are better places for CS in the US than anywhere else
  7. # [00:02] <gsnedders> And it really would be a successful means of running away from everyone I know
  8. # [00:02] <Xenos> Hmm, I thought there were Indian places that were supposed to be better
  9. # [00:02] <Xenos> don't remember any names tho
  10. # [00:02] <Xenos> That it would, I guess :P
  11. # [00:03] <gsnedders> But I don't speak Indian :)
  12. # [00:03] <gsnedders> (There again, I doubt many people from my school would be going to Cambridge, for example)
  13. # [00:03] <Xenos> English is an official language there, I'd guess most CS education happens in that :P
  14. # [00:04] <gsnedders> And Latin is the official language of the Vatican, but not everything is in Latin there :P
  15. # [00:04] <Xenos> hehe
  16. # [00:04] <Xenos> There are some regions that don't even speak Hindi
  17. # [00:04] <gsnedders> Like Fife, Scotland?
  18. # [00:05] <Xenos> lol
  19. # [00:06] <gsnedders> Or is that not the region you meant? :P
  20. # [00:07] <Xenos> Wow, there are 415 different mother tongues within India, 29 of which are spoken by more than 1 million people, 122 by 100k+
  21. # [00:07] <gsnedders> Well, I can speak English. I can sorta speak French, and I can understand some German.
  22. # [00:08] <gsnedders> Oh, and I can read a fair amount of Latin.
  23. # [00:09] <Xenos> Then I guess Hindi is next on the list? :P
  24. # [00:10] <gsnedders> Nah.
  25. # [00:10] <gsnedders> I hate langauges :)
  26. # [00:10] <Xenos> hehe
  27. # [00:10] <gsnedders> Besides, "We're only immortal for a limited time", so why spend that time learning languages? :)
  28. # [00:11] <Xenos> :p
  29. # [00:11] <Xenos> It keeps the alzheimers away
  30. # [00:11] <Xenos> :p
  31. # [00:11] <gsnedders> (That's an awesome lyric, though)
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  33. # [00:20] <Xenos> http://current.com/items/89204971_death_star_over_san_francisco nice
  34. # [00:21] <gsnedders> Photoshop'd!
  35. # [00:22] <Xenos> hehe
  36. # [00:22] <Xenos> I didn't know you could edit vids there :p
  37. # [00:25] <gsnedders> No, you can't, but meh!
  38. # [00:25] <Xenos> Thought it was kinda cool anyway :p
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  40. # [00:33] <gsnedders> The longer anything goes on for, the less it makes sense.
  41. # [00:33] <Xenos> How so?
  42. # [00:34] * gsnedders is just quoting myself out of context
  43. # [00:36] <gsnedders> (to give it a slight bit of context, there's a girl who constantly flirts with me, and just generally acts as if she wants me, denies it and will do nothing with me)
  44. # [00:37] <Xenos> That makes sense, every time you do anything in return that makes it seem that you want her validates her
  45. # [00:37] <Xenos> Boosts self-esteem, makes her feel more attractive, etc. She might not even be consciously aware of continually flirting
  46. # [00:38] * gsnedders has already got into far too long discussions about this
  47. # [00:38] <Xenos> Anyhow, it doesn't not make sense :p
  48. # [00:39] <gsnedders> "talking to you is like taking a ride in a mobius loop" — molly
  49. # [00:39] <gsnedders> (as it always ends up back on the subject of that girl :P)
  50. # [00:40] * gsnedders is hopeless
  51. # [00:40] <gsnedders> (Actually, I'm not, I'm far too hopeful, but I digress, and I ought to shut up now)
  52. # [00:41] <Xenos> You really like this girl, eh?
  53. # [00:41] <gsnedders> Xenos: I have shut up.
  54. # [00:41] <Xenos> The general rule in such situations is GFTOW.
  55. # [00:41] <Xenos> Go F*ck Ten Other Women. If you're still in love with her after you might have real problems :P
  56. # [00:43] <gsnedders> … Xenos says completely naïve of the fact I've just got out of months of seeing a psychologist :P
  57. # [00:43] <Xenos> Good. Most people should see a good psychologist for some time :p
  58. # [00:44] <Xenos> And if you've quit that means you're better, right?
  59. # [00:44] <gsnedders> In terms of what was causing me to be suicidal, yes
  60. # [00:48] <Lachy> That death star video is awesome :-)
  61. # [00:49] <Xenos> Ya :p
  62. # [00:49] <Lachy> it's quite well made. Some of the shots look quite realistic
  63. # [00:49] <gsnedders> But only some :(
  64. # [00:50] <Xenos> Yup
  65. # [00:50] <Xenos> Some
  66. # [00:50] <Lachy> yeah. The one with the landing didn't quite work well due to some minor camera movement
  67. # [00:50] <Lachy> you can see the ship shifting slightly as the camera moved
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  69. # [00:55] <Xenos> g'nite guys
  70. # [00:58] <jgraham> The lighting's wrong :)
  71. # [00:58] <jgraham> (on the death star)
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  73. # [01:03] <gsnedders> http://xkcd.com/331/
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  141. # [13:59] <annevk> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2008-August/003400.html sounds promising
  142. # [14:01] <annevk> already mentioned it seems
  143. # [14:01] * annevk reads logs
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  147. # [14:23] <annevk> btw, anyone going to be in Cambridge, UK next week who is up for meeting?
  148. # [14:23] <annevk> the CSS WG is meeting Wednesday-Friday and I'll be there those days
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  158. # [15:06] <gsnedders> annevk: AFAIK jgraham and Philip` are the only ones there. Pinging them directly may work better :)
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  161. # [15:15] <annevk> if this doesn't work out I'll do that
  162. # [15:16] <annevk> hmm, no new Ubuntu security updates in a week, impressive
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  164. # [15:36] * Philip` will most likely be in Cambridge then
  165. # [15:37] * gsnedders will be at school :(
  166. # [15:38] <annevk> meeting in the evening would be best for me
  167. # [15:39] <gsnedders> annevk: You better not ask Philip` where or when to meet :)
  168. # [15:39] <annevk> I'm leaving Saturday morning and I believe there's at least some group activity planned for Wednesday but other days work
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  175. # [16:47] * jgraham is in sunny Cambridge all next week and would quite happily meet up with annevk
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  179. # [16:57] * gsnedders wishes it was sunny here
  180. # [16:58] * jgraham was being slightly ironic (although it isn't too bad today, it did rain most of last week)
  181. # [16:58] * gsnedders notes it is normally far more sunny in Cambridge than it is here
  182. # [17:01] <takkaria> jgraham: I like your latest pictures on flickr... how did you go about getting http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgraham/2737000236/in/photostream/?
  183. # [17:01] * jgraham notes that this is gsnedders fault for living somewhere with such notoriously bad weather as Scotland
  184. # [17:01] <gsnedders> jgraham: The east cost has less rain than Rome!
  185. # [17:01] <gsnedders> *coast
  186. # [17:02] <gsnedders> jgraham: Besides, it's my parents fault!
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  188. # [17:05] <jgraham> takkaria: The flowers one was just my 60mm macro lens wide open and focussed through some small foreground flowers to give the hazy effect at the front. I had the square crop in mind and used lightroom to do the split toning and to add the vignetting
  189. # [17:05] <jgraham> Lightroom is awesome.
  190. # [17:05] <jgraham> The things that it does well it does so easilly that it feels like cheating
  191. # [17:11] * gsnedders needs to decide what to do for his computing project!
  192. # [17:11] * gsnedders is too indecisive
  193. # [17:11] * jgraham thought gsnedders was trying to decide this over a week ago
  194. # [17:12] * gsnedders was
  195. # [17:12] * gsnedders is still too indecisive :)
  196. # [17:13] * jgraham suggests gsnedders decides before the deadline for completing it
  197. # [17:13] <gsnedders> :)
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  199. # [17:28] <takkaria> jgraham: ah, interesting, thanks
  200. # [17:29] <takkaria> gsnedders: I suggest nothing that'll ever be useful, because it's kind of heartbreaking to spend months on a computing project just to throw it away
  201. # [17:29] <jgraham> takkaria: Why the requirement that you throw it away?
  202. # [17:30] <takkaria> well, you don't throw it away, it just never gets used by anyone
  203. # [17:30] <takkaria> for my A-level computing project I wrote a web-based accounting package for a debt management company
  204. # [17:30] <takkaria> sadly, my brother left the place before I'd finished it
  205. # [17:31] <takkaria> and that was that, it never got used
  206. # [17:31] <jgraham> I guess it depends what you do. Is there some requirement that you can't release it as open source afterwards
  207. # [17:31] <jgraham> for example?
  208. # [17:31] <takkaria> I suppose so
  209. # [17:31] <gsnedders> jgraham: Here, there isn't.
  210. # [17:32] * jgraham didn't do A-level computing but the projects that people did all seemed to be boring database+VBA type jobs
  211. # [17:32] <jgraham> s/people/people he knew/
  212. # [17:32] <takkaria> but afaik most computing syllabusses tend to make doing anything that's vaguely interesting quite hard
  213. # [17:32] <takkaria> at least, all the ones I've seen have
  214. # [17:32] <jgraham> Maybe Scotland is better
  215. # [17:33] <gsnedders> Oh, the syllabus here bores me
  216. # [17:35] <jgraham> Well I guess they have the requirement that unless 30% of people can get an A then its too hard
  217. # [17:36] <gsnedders> jgraham: AH is harder than A-Level :P
  218. # [17:36] <jgraham> gsnedders: Even so
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  220. # [18:39] <gsnedders> jgraham: I think I'll just do the variation of your idea, i.e., a feed reader with sorting by interest
  221. # [18:47] <Philip`> gsnedders: I suggest not deciding on a project - just develop a framework within which you could develop your project in the hypothetical event that you decide on one
  222. # [18:47] <Philip`> Everyone loves frameworks
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  224. # [18:53] <Philip`> I have an idea for a very useful program: One where you take a photo of a collection of many nearly-identical-looking unpaired socks, and the program analyses the image and tells you how to pair them up correctly
  225. # [18:54] <jgraham> Develop a machine learing algorithm that cn deduce whether you are likely to enjoy a particular project based on other projects that you have started
  226. # [18:56] <jcranmer> or finished
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  228. # [19:25] <hsivonen> zcorpan: <svg></body> in live dom fixed. thanks.
  229. # [19:25] <hsivonen> (the fix was putting in something that does nothing but that the GWT compiler can't prove does nothing, thus protecting stuff immediately after getting optimized away)
  230. # [19:26] <hsivonen> s/getting/from getting/
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  247. # [23:23] * jgraham wonders why people keep asking for clarifications of the alt section
  248. # [23:26] <jgraham> It seems pretty clear at the moment. I can't decide if there is a real lack of understanding or if it is because having a quote from Hixie saying somehing like "images in emails targeted at known recipients are not required to contain alt text" is has greater moral weight than the spec saying it
  249. # [23:27] <jgraham> s/is//
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  251. # [23:39] <jgraham> I guess 4.7.2.1.3. could be clear that logos always require alt text unless the provisions of 4.7.2.1.10. apply
  252. # [23:41] <jgraham> It should probabaly also be made clear what happens if the author doesn't think that any of the provisions apply
  253. # [23:41] <jgraham> i.e. if they have some use of an image that isn't explicitly mentioned
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