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  1. # Session Start: Sun Sep 21 00:00:00 2008
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  6. # [00:10] <jruderman> Hixie: do you still want https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180622 ?
  7. # [00:11] <Hixie> When the alt="" attribute is missing, yes
  8. # [00:11] <Hixie> not otherwise
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  25. # [01:51] <Lachy> It's good to be back in a normal country with Vegemite, Cottees Cordial and Tim Tams :-)
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  27. # [01:55] <eric_carlson> Hixie: ping
  28. # [01:55] <Hixie> hi
  29. # [01:55] <eric_carlson> Hey. I have a question about firing media events
  30. # [01:56] <eric_carlson> the spec clearly says that some should fire synchronously, eg. "must synchronously fire a progress event called loadstart" (4.8.10.4)
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  32. # [01:56] <eric_carlson> and others are clearly asynchronous, eg. "must queue a task to fire a simple event called play" (4.8.10.7)
  33. # [01:56] <eric_carlson> but the descriptions in the section on ready states (4.8.10.6) are somewhat ambiguous
  34. # [01:56] <eric_carlson> eg. "and fire a simple event called play"
  35. # [01:57] <eric_carlson> (even though "canshowcurrentframe" and "play" are explicitly asynchronous elsewhere)
  36. # [01:57] <eric_carlson> so are the ready state change events fired differently from others?
  37. # [01:58] <Hixie> "fire a simple event" is synchronous, but that doesn't preclude an error in the spec :-)
  38. # [01:58] <Hixie> i should probably remove th word "synchronously" from the spec so that it doesn
  39. # [01:58] <Hixie> 't confuse people when i omit it
  40. # [01:59] <eric_carlson> OK, thanks.
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  42. # [02:00] <Hixie> wait, hold on
  43. # [02:00] <Hixie> it has to be asynchronous for those
  44. # [02:00] <Hixie> there's nothing to be synchronous with
  45. # [02:00] <eric_carlson> good, that's what I was about to argue.
  46. # [02:00] <eric_carlson> now I don't need to bother ;)
  47. # [02:01] <Hixie> i'll file a bug saying that these should be fixed to say that a task should be queued to fire the events
  48. # [02:09] <eric_carlson> that was quick. thanks!
  49. # [02:11] <Lachy> LOL, someone pretending to be Hixie is posting spam to the whatwg blog :-)
  50. # [02:12] <Lachy> (unless Hixie really was posting about eugenics and nazis, but I doubt it)
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  52. # [02:20] <Hixie> ooo
  53. # [02:20] <Hixie> where
  54. # [02:20] <Hixie> where
  55. # [02:23] <Lachy> Hixie, it was in the moderation queue, I already marked it as spam
  56. # [02:23] <Lachy> but you wrote: "The biggest problem I see with supporting eugenics is the bad name it has aquired, through being associated with the Nazi movement, for instance. I'll leave that problem up to the PR folk to solve." -- ian hickson http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1023585606&amp;count=1
  57. # [02:24] <Lachy> Looks like it's a quote from that blog entry
  58. # [02:24] <Lachy> so you *really* were writing about eugenics and nazis :-)
  59. # [02:26] <Hixie> yup that's an accurate quote
  60. # [02:27] <annevk2> someone posted that on my blog too iirc
  61. # [02:27] * annevk2 let it through though
  62. # [02:27] <Hixie> yeah doesn't seem like spam
  63. # [02:27] <annevk2> http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/09/re-two-thousand-twenty-two#comment-6629
  64. # [02:28] <Hixie> i wonder what the relevance of that quote is
  65. # [02:29] <Lachy> considering it was posted twice and whoever posted it didn't use Hixie's email address, I figured it had to be spam of some kind.
  66. # [02:29] <annevk2> maybe about letting PR folks solve the problem, just like with 2022?
  67. # [02:31] <Lachy> hmm, I'm trying to figure out what I should go do this weekend while I'm on the Gold Coast
  68. # [02:31] <Hixie> annevk2: heh
  69. # [02:31] <Hixie> Lachy: check e-mail :-)
  70. # [02:33] * Lachy checks...
  71. # [02:33] <Lachy> nothing yet.
  72. # [02:34] <Lachy> Hixie, did you send me something, or is that a suggestino for what I should spend my weekend doing?
  73. # [02:34] <Hixie> the latter
  74. # [02:34] <Lachy> oh, LOL
  75. # [02:43] <annevk2> checking e-mail during the weekend is sort of a waste of time I found out
  76. # [02:43] <annevk2> there isn't many
  77. # [02:43] * annevk2 suggests organizing parties
  78. # [02:47] <Hixie> heh
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  80. # [02:56] <takkaria> my life as a vegan got much better today: I found a spread that I like, and I found that the local supermarket sell vegan icecream
  81. # [02:57] <takkaria> I'm not sure why this warrants mentioning here of all places, but so it goes :)
  82. # [03:15] <eric_carlson> Hixie: a minor typo in "4.8.10.8. Seeking"
  83. # [03:16] <eric_carlson> step 9 says: "The user agent must queue a task to queue a task to..."
  84. # [03:16] <eric_carlson> probably don't need both of those "queue a task"
  85. # [03:17] <Hixie> thanks
  86. # [03:17] <eric_carlson> sure
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  94. # [03:54] * Hixie tries to get postMessage working in IE in a spec-compliant way
  95. # [03:56] <othermaciej> good luck!
  96. # [04:02] * Hixie tries to get postMessage working in any browser in a spec-compliant way
  97. # [04:09] <Hixie> i wish webkit wouldn't complain about favicon.ico files being sent as text/html
  98. # [04:09] <Hixie> i didn't ask you to fetch favicon.ico
  99. # [04:09] <Hixie> there is no favicon.ico
  100. # [04:09] <Hixie> what you got back was a 404 and it had the right mime type
  101. # [04:09] <othermaciej> where does it complain?
  102. # [04:09] <Hixie> console
  103. # [04:09] <Hixie> Resource interpreted as image but transferred with MIME type text/html. favicon.ico
  104. # [04:10] <othermaciej> it probably should not complain in the case where it just asked for the default icon url and got back a 404
  105. # [04:11] <Hixie> well the funny thing is that if you do send the 404 as an image, it doesn't even use it
  106. # [04:11] <Hixie> so the message, not only is it a bug, it's also a lie
  107. # [04:11] <Hixie> the resource wasn't interpreted as an image
  108. # [04:12] <Hixie> hey how do you inspect the inside of an iframe?
  109. # [04:13] <othermaciej> in the latest WebKit you can see the DOM for the iframe under the frame element
  110. # [04:13] <othermaciej> or at least I seem to recall that being done
  111. # [04:14] <Hixie> doesn't seem to be the case
  112. # [04:14] <Hixie> and i believe i'm using last night's nightly
  113. # [04:15] <othermaciej> let me check
  114. # [04:15] <othermaciej> actually, let me ask the expert
  115. # [04:16] <othermaciej> Hixie: hmmm on tivofaq.com I see the document DOM under the <frame> element
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  117. # [04:16] <othermaciej> (document node not represented, but the doctype and then the <html> element are there)
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  124. # [04:59] <Hixie> opera doesn't support e.origin?
  125. # [05:01] <Hixie> oh it still has e.uri
  126. # [05:01] <Hixie> ok well i guess i won't demo opera for this part
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  147. # [08:42] * Hixie finds more bugs in IE's implementation of HTML5 stuff
  148. # [08:42] <Hixie> localStorage.getItem(...) return undefined instead of null for unknown stuff
  149. # [08:49] <Hixie> this is going well, i think i might pull this off.
  150. # [08:49] * Hixie is trying to give a presentation about html5 made of purely demos with no future tense anywhere in the presentation
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  173. # [12:22] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/demos/2008-sept/color/color.html is trippy, especially in webkit
  174. # [12:22] <Hixie> (url will be dead in a few minute)
  175. # [12:32] <annevk2> cool demo
  176. # [12:32] * annevk2 makes a copy
  177. # [12:39] <hsivonen> Did Richard Maher's email contain a technical argument why Web Socket is "bollocks"?
  178. # [12:42] <Hixie> no idea
  179. # [12:42] <Hixie> nn
  180. # [12:45] <jruderman> darn, i missed the demo
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  188. # [14:27] <jgraham> hsivonen: AFAICT the closest to a technical argument was "it's not unfettered access to sockets"
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  190. # [14:29] <hsivonen> jgraham: ok. but that's the whole point of the design
  191. # [14:29] <jgraham> hsivonen: Possibly explaining that to him would work. Possibly not
  192. # [14:30] <Philip`> How does the "existing Socket support from SUN Java, Adobe Flex, and Microsoft Silverlight" handle security?
  193. # [14:30] <hsivonen> jgraham: the email didn't make it clear why it's bad to restrict stuff like this
  194. # [14:30] <Philip`> hsivonen: It seems obvious that it's bad because it's incompatible with how the rest of the world does sockets
  195. # [14:31] <jgraham> Philip`: OTOH he didn't present any use cases that require real sockets rather than WebSockets
  196. # [14:31] <gsnedders> jgraham: I want to write an HTTP client.
  197. # [14:31] <gsnedders> (that would be kinda awesome to do)
  198. # [14:32] <jgraham> gsnedders: that would be kinda stupid
  199. # [14:32] <Philip`> jgraham: That's because they're obvious :-)
  200. # [14:32] <hsivonen> Philip`: according to Sun's FAQ, it seems that Java applets can open sockets to the host of origin
  201. # [14:32] <gsnedders> Then you know exactly how the HTTP client behaves :P
  202. # [14:32] <hsivonen> which is *bad* in the context of virtual hosts
  203. # [14:33] <hsivonen> I didn't actually test anything
  204. # [14:33] <Philip`> ("I have an existing socket-based service that does <var>X</var>, and I want to access it directly over the web" for any value of X)
  205. # [14:33] <Philip`> s/over the web/from a web browser/
  206. # [14:34] <jgraham> Philip`: As you well know there is a problem when X is "sends email" and similar
  207. # [14:34] <gsnedders> Time to try re-writing my personal statement
  208. # [14:34] * gsnedders sighs
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  210. # [14:42] <Philip`> jgraham: Indeed - it doesn't seem like that general class of use cases is solvable
  211. # [14:42] <jgraham> Do any browsers have WebSockets implementations yet?
  212. # [14:43] * jgraham is composing a brief reply
  213. # [14:45] <gsnedders> jgraham: no
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  215. # [15:02] <gsnedders> Writing a personal statement is ahrd.
  216. # [15:02] <gsnedders> *hard
  217. # [15:05] <gsnedders> "I am a sixth year pupil at Madras College, currently doing four Advanced Highers: computing, English, mathematics, and physics. I would like to study either computer science or physics because…" — does that seem a sane start?
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  219. # [15:10] <jgraham> gsnedders: It sounds saner.
  220. # [15:10] * jgraham can't remember what he put on his personal statement
  221. # [15:11] <jgraham> I guess there might be a copy of it somewhere but I have no idea where that would be. Probably an old floppy disk that has long since died
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  229. # [17:57] * Set by gsnedders on Sat Sep 06 19:58:04
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  235. # [18:35] <jgraham> gsnedders - well if it's executing circular motion mv^2/r = GMm/r**2 so E_k = GMm/(2r)
  236. # [18:37] * gsnedders wonders where that is in his notes
  237. # [18:37] <gsnedders> (probably answer: somewhere)
  238. # [18:50] <jgraham> gsnedders: I would hope its under the heading "circular motion" or somesuch
  239. # [18:50] <gsnedders> jgraham: Angular Motion, somewhere, I expect
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  241. # [18:57] <gsnedders> OK, I just did a rather bad drawing of the gravitational fields of the Earth and Moon
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  243. # [19:36] <Philip`> jgraham: To hyphenate a single instance of a word, it's easier to write "foo\-bar" to give a hyphenation hint
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  248. # [19:46] <jgraham> Philip`: I guess in this case there's no harm in having Brehmsstrahlung hyphenated in other places too
  249. # [19:52] <jgraham> (but thanks)
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  251. # [20:15] * Philip` sees that Silverlight has its own clientaccesspolicy.xml file to enable socket communication with the host
  252. # [20:16] <Philip`> (It supports Flash's crossdomain.xml for some features but not sockets)
  253. # [20:16] <Philip`> (according to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645032(VS.95).aspx )
  254. # [20:26] <Hixie> policy files are such a bad design
  255. # [20:26] <Hixie> crossdomain.xml showed that
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  257. # [20:37] <Philip`> Presumably it didn't show it to a sufficient extent to stop people from thinking it's a good idea
  258. # [20:49] <Hixie> i wish there was a way to pause vmware without suspending it (which takes a lot of time)
  259. # [20:51] <gsnedders> I wish there was a way to not do homework (which takes a lot of time)
  260. # [20:52] <gsnedders> But it does have the use of keeping my mind off what would otherwise worry me
  261. # [21:00] * Hixie sends a sig 17 to the vmware process
  262. # [21:00] <Hixie> that worked
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  264. # [21:15] * jgraham suggests adding the text "semantic in html have largely failed. If you find yourself having an argument about element semantics, it is possible that you should consider instead getting a hobby" to the HTML 5 text
  265. # [21:16] <Hixie> heh
  266. # [21:16] <Hixie> but this IS my hobby!
  267. # [21:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: Can doing homework please _NOT_ be my hobby? *puppy-eyes*
  268. # [21:20] <jgraham> Hixie: Sadly it seems to be my hobby too :(
  269. # [21:22] <Hixie> holy crap, ie8 beta 2 actually managed to _break_ the rendering of acid3's _reference rendering_
  270. # [21:22] <jgraham> But I don't endorse long lilliputian arguments about whether it is proper to use <var> for variables that are constant or just variables that are variable
  271. # [21:22] <jcranmer> Hixie: it's so that it can match the reference rendering ;-)
  272. # [21:23] <Hixie> it actually makes the reference rendering look even less like the test
  273. # [21:24] <jgraham> Impressive application of gun to foot there
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  276. # [21:37] <gsnedders> jgraham: Ah, it's given as $\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2$
  277. # [21:38] <gsnedders> jgraham: (i.e., relative to the moment of inertia)
  278. # [21:40] <jgraham> gsnedders: FWIW the result that in a 1/r**2 potential E_k = -E_p/2 is called the virial theroem
  279. # [21:41] <jgraham> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virial_theorem
  280. # [21:41] * gsnedders is probably too tired to comprehend this
  281. # [21:44] * gsnedders gives up on the one question he can't do
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  292. # [23:21] <gsnedders> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsnedders/2876109667/in/set-72157607417932255/
  293. # [23:21] <gsnedders> Kinda impressive.
  294. # [23:28] <jgraham> gsnedders: Not as impressive as invisible green hair :)
  295. # [23:33] <annevk2> lol: http://webkit.org/blog-files/animation-demo.svg
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  297. # [23:37] <jgraham> annevk2: Hmm Opera seems to use quite a lot of CPU running that
  298. # [23:41] <Hixie> there's irony to using that logo without any script
  299. # [23:42] <hsivonen> oh joy. Sun adds crossdomain.xml support to Java applet networking
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  304. # [23:49] <aboodman> Hixie - any updates on workers?
  305. # [23:50] <aboodman> i didn't see any repsonse to that last thread, but maybe in person?
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  308. # [23:55] <Hixie> aboodman: i'm deep in web forms 2 right now
  309. # [23:55] <aboodman> i will ping jonas
  310. # [23:56] <Hixie> aboodman: but workers is on the list for the next thing i need to work on after wf2
  311. # Session Close: Mon Sep 22 00:00:00 2008

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