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  8. # [00:59] <roc> this game is fun
  9. # [01:00] <roc> Microsoft pretends to have a coherent position on Web fonts, and we pretend to be finding out what it is
  10. # [01:00] <jcranmer> more changes?
  11. # [01:05] <olliej> roc: did you see this thread https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2008-October/005442.html ?
  12. # [01:08] <ojan> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2008-October/005442.html
  13. # [01:08] <ojan> oops. sorry.
  14. # [01:09] <ojan> stupid focus issues.
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  19. # [01:45] <takkaria> I love the latest lastweek post
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  21. # [01:58] <roc> olliej: yes, thanks
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  88. # [09:16] <Hixie> good lord
  89. # [09:17] <Hixie> i've had better network connectivity on aircraft over the pacific
  90. # [09:17] <virtuelv> Hixie: is it that bad today?
  91. # [09:18] <virtuelv> uhm, yeah, 2.4 second lag on IRC says so
  92. # [09:18] <Hixie> 8% packet loss, round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 240.488/710.241/1033.070/166.841 ms
  93. # [09:18] <Hixie> >500ms pings to the router in the hotel, let alone anywhere useful
  94. # [09:21] <gsnedders> I can't get a ping to/from router
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  96. # [09:23] <Hixie> so next year's meeting might be at the scmariott.com hotel
  97. # [09:23] <Hixie> i notice on their front page:
  98. # [09:23] <Hixie> that they are a TAG approved hotel
  99. # [09:23] <Hixie> maybe we should start approving hotels too!
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  102. # [09:27] <annevk4> do we really want to get in the endorsing hotel business? :p
  103. # [09:28] <gsnedders> :P
  104. # [09:29] <gsnedders> I guess we need sane bed, sane breakfast, and good free wifi
  105. # [09:30] <Hixie> not the order i would have put them in, but yes
  106. # [09:33] * olliej is now known as fakeolliej
  107. # [09:35] <gsnedders> Hixie: What do you want to know if we're discussing?
  108. # [09:38] <Hixie> i'm following the minutes on irc
  109. # [09:40] <Lachy> Hixie, which meeting are you in today?
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  112. # [09:47] <Hixie> css right now
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  119. # [10:10] <gsnedders> What colour should we paint the bikeshed?
  120. # [10:13] <Lachy> multicoloured
  121. # [10:14] <virtuelv> it should have no colour
  122. # [10:14] <Lachy> transparent?
  123. # [10:15] <virtuelv> or it can absorb all colors equally in the spectrum of visible (and invisible) light
  124. # [10:15] <virtuelv> s/equally/completely/
  125. # [10:17] <Lachy> ok. When we can get totally non-reflective black paint, sure
  126. # [10:18] <roc> black body bikeshed
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  132. # [10:51] <gsnedders> anyone know of a CLI browser with Javascript support?
  133. # [10:57] <doublec> gsnedders, elinks?
  134. # [10:57] <gsnedders> doublec: Copy in Debian doesn't support it, and I can't be bothered compiling a browser from scratch just to do one bloody thing
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  136. # [11:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: Facebook doesn't work either, seemingly
  137. # [11:01] * gsnedders is trying IE
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  139. # [11:02] <gsnedders> The progress bar is moving, at least
  140. # [11:02] <gsnedders> If it has any meaning :P
  141. # [11:02] <gsnedders> And now stuck, waiting for server to never respond
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  177. # [13:36] <Hixie> hsivonen: yt?
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  185. # [13:54] <annevk4> network...
  186. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> annevk4: is Henri around?
  187. # [13:54] <annevk4> yes
  188. # [13:54] <MikeSmith> where?
  189. # [13:54] <annevk4> should I summon him elsewhere?
  190. # [13:54] <annevk4> webapps
  191. # [13:55] <MikeSmith> OK
  192. # [13:59] <hsivonen> Hixie: I'm here now
  193. # [13:59] <Hixie> hsivonen: can you come to room 135? knock on the door
  194. # [14:00] <hsivonen> I'm supposed to be in the PF room at 14
  195. # [14:00] <hsivonen> Hixie: is room 135 a meeting rrom or a hotel room?
  196. # [14:01] <hsivonen> looking for the rom now
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  215. # [15:15] <annevk4> so is anything interesting happening over there?
  216. # [15:15] <annevk4> my meeting is basically over
  217. # [15:16] <annevk4> Hixie, ^^
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  241. # [16:23] <annevk4> Hixie, you might want to check http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/10/normative-references-conformance.html#c167608
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  244. # [16:26] * annevk4 thought Hixie said CSSWG was discussing HTML5
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  248. # [16:31] <Hixie> annevk4: i said counters. :-) which might affect html5
  249. # [16:36] <annevk4> I understood headers/sections too
  250. # [16:37] <Hixie> yeah they said something about html5 headers in the minutes
  251. # [16:37] <Hixie> i'm guessing they'll get to that
  252. # [16:37] <annevk4> ok, cool
  253. # [16:37] <annevk4> I'll continue reading chairs and Member-only lists meanwhile
  254. # [16:37] <Hixie> anything interesting?
  255. # [16:38] <annevk4> chairs continues to be interesting
  256. # [16:39] <Hixie> yeah i'm reading that
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  261. # [16:52] * Hixie loves the internet
  262. # [16:52] <Hixie> i'm sitting in a room with a device that has no wires coming off it
  263. # [16:52] <Hixie> i'm in france
  264. # [16:53] <Hixie> yet i'm copying files from my girlfriend's laptop to our mac mini in our living room in the us
  265. # [16:55] <Hixie> (there's a firewall on both sides, which is even cooler, since it means i have to tunnel things between a third machine over ssh)
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  268. # [16:56] <wilhelm> (c:
  269. # [16:57] <smedero> anyone @tpac know where gsnedders or BenMillard might be?
  270. # [16:57] * annevk4 notes Hixie is not unique in that :)
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  272. # [16:57] <hsivonen> smedero: CSS room for Ben
  273. # [16:57] <smedero> hsivonen: thanks!
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  275. # [16:59] * Philip` thinks it would be cooler if you didn't have to involve four separate machines just so that you (can watch videos from your living room | have backups | remove incriminating evidence | whatever you're doing)
  276. # [17:00] <annevk4> smedero, gsnedders should be at your hotel
  277. # [17:01] <annevk4> smedero, he was a bit sick
  278. # [17:01] <smedero> annevk4: ahh, bummer. thanks for the info.
  279. # [17:02] <annevk4> smedero, you around now?
  280. # [17:02] <smedero> yep, in the lobby
  281. # [17:03] <smedero> (of the pullman)
  282. # [17:04] <Philip`> The "security image" anti-phishing technique would be much more effective if it wasn't possible for phishing sites to say "Recent update: We have listened to our customers, and to streamline our login process we have removed the need for the security image. Please just enter your username and password: [____] [____] [OK!]"
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  284. # [17:05] <Dashiva> Philip`: Or just proxy the image in the case of openID ;)
  285. # [17:05] <Hixie> Philip`: moving videos from carey's laptop to our mac mini so that she has spare room on her hard drive :-)
  286. # [17:07] <Philip`> Hixie: Ah, so the problem is just that the internet is rubbish, so you're still reliant on legacy concepts like local data storage
  287. # [17:07] <annevk4> smedero, ok, CSS is discussing paged media
  288. # [17:07] <annevk4> smedero, I've the feeling I made a mistake going in :)
  289. # [17:07] <smedero> heh.
  290. # [17:08] <annevk4> especially since Ben was suggesting to play frisbee
  291. # [17:08] <Hixie> Philip`: hmmmmmm i guess!
  292. # [17:08] <Philip`> (Paged media? Is that when it's too large to all fit in RAM at once?)
  293. # [17:08] <smedero> I figured at this late in the day, there isn't much point in me observing CSS or anything else
  294. # [17:08] <smedero> lol
  295. # [17:09] <annevk4> Philip`, it's about killing trees
  296. # [17:09] <Dashiva> and slideshows
  297. # [17:09] <Philip`> Oh, good, I don't like trees
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  300. # [17:11] <smedero_> oh the wifi here is lovely.
  301. # [17:11] <smedero_> :-(
  302. # [17:12] <Philip`> annevk4: Can't you just ask 'please sir can I go to the toilet?' and then run off and play frisbee?
  303. # [17:13] <Philip`> I always found that was a quite effective tactic
  304. # [17:13] <Dashiva> That's so... british
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  310. # [17:20] <Lachy> smedero, are you still in the lobby?
  311. # [17:20] <annevk4> timbl, good you're here, I was wondering if I'm still signed up for a panel or not and whether I should prepare something other than being around
  312. # [17:21] <smedero> Lachy: yep, going through 24+ hours of missed email
  313. # [17:21] <Lachy> smedero, ok. This css stuff is boring me. I'm going to come out shortly
  314. # [17:21] <timbl> annek4, I don't think unless whoever is moderating it has said otherwise you need to prepare a talk.
  315. # [17:22] <timbl> annek4,.. might be a good idea to find others on teh panel beforehand and get to know them a bit
  316. # [17:22] <annevk4> timbl, so you were basically nominating me yesterday, I wasn't sure whether that was serious
  317. # [17:22] <annevk4> sorry, seems it was
  318. # [17:22] <annevk4> I should have checked the agenda first
  319. # [17:23] <timbl> If you don't want to do it don't. But you have been vocal about philosophy of html5. So have hixie and henri d
  320. # [17:23] <timbl> s/ s/ d
  321. # [17:23] <Lachy> smedero, are you upstairs or downstairs?
  322. # [17:23] <annevk4> timbl, ok
  323. # [17:24] <smedero> Lachy: I'm downstairs, next to the casino entrance... wearing a black long sleeved shirt.
  324. # [17:25] <Dashiva> This sounds like a spy movie
  325. # [17:26] <annevk4> we're in casino royale
  326. # [17:26] <annevk4> well, royale casino to be fair, but that's less fun
  327. # [17:29] <Dashiva> Could make for some exciting (completely fictional) reports afterwards
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  332. # [17:36] <Hixie> is chaals onlien anywhere?
  333. # [17:38] <Hixie> many of his "must"s in progress events make little sense to me
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  390. # [22:23] <csarven> Are there any known UA issues for creating an element inside <img> in HTML4
  391. # [22:26] <Hixie> not to my knowledge but i doubt it is widely tested
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