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  21. # [01:28] <michaeln> is a convenient way of viewing the diffs between the current draft and a previous draft a section of the HTML5 doc?
  22. # [01:34] <annevk5> e.g. http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker ?
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  24. # [01:36] <annevk5> oh, of specific sections, don't think so
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  28. # [01:42] <michaeln> thnx
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  88. # [09:26] <Hixie> zcorpan: IE is the only browser to do this
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  91. # [09:38] <zcorpan> Hixie: firefox doesn't escape < and > in onclick and a href="javascript:...", and webkit doesn't escape <>& in a href="javascript:..."
  92. # [09:40] <zcorpan> Hixie: but i hope never escaping < and > is good enough for web compat... should be since it matches ie :)
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  94. # [09:47] <gsnedders> Hixie: I guess I should email you about no note section 1,3 being non-normative
  95. # [09:48] <Hixie> already fixed 1.3
  96. # [09:49] * olliej is now known as fakeolliej
  97. # [09:50] <gsnedders> _damn_ you're good.
  98. # [09:50] <gsnedders> :P
  99. # [09:50] <Hixie> gsnedders: can you still not log in?
  100. # [09:50] <gsnedders> Hixie: I can now
  101. # [09:51] <gsnedders> Hixie: I realized it was username and not email :P
  102. # [09:51] <Hixie> ok
  103. # [09:53] <zcorpan> 1.4.2 has a funny status box
  104. # [09:53] <Hixie> funny how?
  105. # [09:53] <zcorpan> it says "undefined"
  106. # [09:54] <Hixie> reload
  107. # [09:54] <zcorpan> ah
  108. # [09:54] <zcorpan> damn cache
  109. # [09:55] <zcorpan> and here i thought you had a bug in your script :(
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  113. # [09:58] <zcorpan> Hixie: perhaps the spec should drop the "5" and only talk about "HTML", "XHTML", "DOM HTML"
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  140. # [12:11] <gsnedders> I could think of how to do a section updated with a streaming parser
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  142. # [12:13] * Philip` fails to parse that sentence
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  144. # [12:14] * gsnedders notes it would probably make sense if Philip` were in the room when talking about it
  145. # [12:18] <smedero> gsnedders, of course few here may understands what room you are referring to
  146. # [12:19] <smedero> (HTML WG face-to-face meeting)
  147. # [12:21] <gsnedders> :P
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  184. # [14:08] <gsnedders> Hixie, annevk5: Are we going to go to the airport together? If so, how?
  185. # [14:08] <Hixie> i'm taking the train
  186. # [14:08] <Hixie> when i wake up
  187. # [14:08] <Hixie> whenever that is
  188. # [14:08] <annevk5> hmm
  189. # [14:09] <annevk5> ok, so I'm not travelling with Hixie then :)
  190. # [14:09] <gsnedders> hixie: Ah. And spending the day in Nice, or going straight to the airport?
  191. # [14:09] <Hixie> no idea
  192. # [14:09] <Hixie> probably airport
  193. # [14:09] <gsnedders> annevk5: I guess we can go later :)
  194. # [14:10] <Lachy> I'll be spending most of the day in Nice
  195. # [14:10] <Lachy> My flight leaves at 17:15, so I need to be at the airport around 16:00
  196. # [14:11] <annevk5> gsnedders, when is your plane leaving?
  197. # [14:11] <gsnedders> annevk5: 20:10
  198. # [14:13] <annevk5> ah, similar to mine
  199. # [14:14] <annevk5> mine is at 20:40
  200. # [14:14] <annevk5> I think Hixie is on the same plane, no idea why he'd go straight to the airport...
  201. # [14:15] <Hixie> cos i plan to sleep til like 4
  202. # [14:17] <gsnedders> Hixie: The paragraph beginning with "The default" has @id, "The scoped" does not (scoped itself does as a dfn)
  203. # [14:23] <Lachy> it would be nice to sleep that long, but I thought checkout time for the hotel would have been earlier
  204. # [14:24] <annevk5> what is there to do in Nice?
  205. # [14:24] <annevk5> i heard there is some cool train going into the mountains
  206. # [14:24] <annevk5> that might be something i want to do
  207. # [14:24] <Lachy> it depends how long it takes and when it gets back
  208. # [14:24] <gsnedders> I need to do school work, somewhere
  209. # [14:24] <Lachy> but it could be fun
  210. # [14:24] <gsnedders> Heck, I could do that at the airport
  211. # [14:24] <Lachy> do it on sunday
  212. # [14:25] <gsnedders> I have too much :)
  213. # [14:25] <Lachy> not my problem :-)
  214. # [14:28] <annevk5> yeah, your flight leaves early
  215. # [14:30] <hsivonen> is one supposed to buy train tickets on the train station or on the train?
  216. # [14:30] <Lachy> hsivonen, ask when you get to the train station
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  219. # [14:31] <Lachy> I would assume you buy them at the station, cause that's the way it works in all countries I've been to
  220. # [14:31] <Lachy> (though that's not many)
  221. # [14:31] <hsivonen> Lachy: well, it affects the scheduling of getting to the station in the first place
  222. # [14:32] <Lachy> why? It only takes a few minutes to get a ticket, and I guess they would have ticket machines that make it quite quick
  223. # [14:33] <hsivonen> One can't count on a b&m transaction taking a few minutes
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  227. # [14:38] <gsnedders> hsivonen: There's a ticket machine
  228. # [14:39] <hsivonen> gsnedders: thanks
  229. # [14:40] <hendry> anyone flying around 21:55 from Nice tonight?
  230. # [14:40] <hsivonen> did Mr. Last Week delete his blog?
  231. # [14:41] <Hixie> not as far as i can tell
  232. # [14:41] <Hixie> http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/
  233. # [14:41] <hsivonen> oh. it's back now
  234. # [14:41] <hsivonen> blogspot was broken I guess
  235. # [14:41] <Philip`> Clearly it's a Google conspiracy to suppress free speech that is critical of its employees
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  237. # [14:48] <Dashiva> How did I manage to miss the "complete tool" comment previously?
  238. # [14:48] <gsnedders> Dashiva: Where?
  239. # [14:49] <Dashiva> http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/2008/10/moneyshots.html
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  241. # [14:50] <Philip`> It's worrying that he's "slightly turned on by Hixie[...]"
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  243. # [14:50] <gsnedders> Philip`: You just caused myself and Lachy to just burst out laughing in the F2F meeting
  244. # [14:51] <Philip`> gsnedders: My humble apologies
  245. # [14:52] <Lachy> Philip`, no worries. Though I would like you to try harder to get MikeSmith or ChrisWilson to burst out in laughter
  246. # [14:53] <gsnedders> Lachy: CW isn't here, though MikeSmith is here but only watching #html-wg
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  249. # [14:56] <Lachy> gsnedders, that's ok. if you post something funny in #html-wg, you could get everyone to burst out laughing
  250. # [14:56] <gsnedders> Lachy: hmm…
  251. # [14:58] * myakura is full. had too much cakes...
  252. # [14:58] <Philip`> The danger is you might say something that's not actually funny, and then you'll just look silly :-(
  253. # [14:58] <Lachy> Philip`, sure that's always a risk
  254. # [15:00] * karlUshi recommends myakura to run a bit ;)
  255. # [15:01] <annevk5> cake? yamyam
  256. # [15:01] * annevk5 wants some
  257. # [15:02] * karlUshi has one week of travelling in France after TPAC… more food… more cakes… damn!
  258. # [15:02] <Lachy> annevk5, they had lots of cakes available at lunch time. But perhaps you missed out because gsnedders and CWilso took about half the dessert table each.
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  260. # [15:04] * hsivonen will go to Italy to burn the cakes eaten here
  261. # [15:04] <Lachy> what?
  262. # [15:04] <gsnedders> Lachy, there was plenty left when I got the cakes I took, dunno about the equally piggish CWilso though
  263. # [15:04] * gsnedders finishes running blame
  264. # [15:05] <hsivonen> Lachy, I'll go to Italy tomorrow and hopefully walk more and eat fewer cakes
  265. # [15:05] <Lachy> ah, you mean burn off the calories from the cakes eaten today, rather than fail at baking cakes
  266. # [15:05] <annevk5> karlUshi, so sad
  267. # [15:06] * karlUshi :)))
  268. # [15:06] <Lachy> gsnedders, that's great. Shift the blame to CWilso when he's not even here to defend himself!
  269. # [15:06] <Lachy> :-)
  270. # [15:06] <gsnedders> Lachy: Duh.
  271. # [15:06] <gsnedders> Lachy: I mean, I thought that's what we did to people from MS.
  272. # [15:06] <Philip`> That's what we do to everyone who's not here
  273. # [15:07] * Lachy goes to check the logs for the times he's been logged out...
  274. # [15:07] <gsnedders> :)
  275. # [15:08] <Philip`> (I assume some IE people do read the logs here, since they linked to it from the IE Blog once)
  276. # [15:19] <virtuelv> annevk5, zcorpan_ check the "related videos" section here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZkkuMfFc8
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  278. # [15:21] <annevk5> "Obsessed with Miley Cyrus ?!"?
  279. # [15:21] <annevk5> hmm
  280. # [15:22] <annevk5> we'll prolly move those videos over to vimeo as it has much better quality
  281. # [15:22] <Philip`> Can't you host them yourself?
  282. # [15:23] <annevk5> if we wanted to go through the effort, I suppose
  283. # [15:24] <Philip`> Is it that much effort to pass the files through mencoder, find one of the zillion Flash video players that presumably exists, and then upload it and write a few lines of HTML to embed it on the page?
  284. # [15:25] <annevk5> apparently :)
  285. # [15:26] <annevk5> also, those video sites prolly have their config optimized for streaming and such
  286. # [15:27] <Philip`> They have millions of viewers a day, you probably have about three, so you shouldn't need to worry too much about optimisation :-)
  287. # [15:27] <annevk5> we want to scale when it becomes a huge hit
  288. # [15:28] <hasather> annevk5: Dreamhost has some kind of converter in the web panel, see https://media.dreamhost.com/ Never tried it though
  289. # [15:28] <annevk5> anyway, we're using vimeo for now :)
  290. # [15:29] <annevk5> hasather, might be an idea for the future
  291. # [15:33] <virtuelv> Philip`: just those 409 views of that single video is quite a lot of bandwith
  292. # [15:35] <Philip`> virtuelv: Dreamhost apparently gives you 5TB/month, and it's nowhere near that much
  293. # [15:35] <Philip`> I expect it's at least six orders of magnitude more than you'd need :-p
  294. # [15:36] <Philip`> Wait, no I don't
  295. # [15:36] <Philip`> I can't do maths with numbers
  296. # [15:36] <Philip`> Four orders of magnitude, I think
  297. # [15:36] <virtuelv> Philip`: you'll be out of cpu cycles long before you can serve those 5TB
  298. # [15:36] <virtuelv> I have unlimited transfer and storage with them
  299. # [15:36] <virtuelv> ... in theory ...
  300. # [15:38] * Philip` has a server with 5Mbit/sec connection and 1.5TB/month limit, and conveniently 5Mbit/sec * 2.6e6 sec/month = 1.5(6)TB/month, so it's basically unlimited
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  302. # [15:39] * Hixie now has officially "unlimited" bandwidth with his dreamhost account
  303. # [15:39] <Hixie> (and disk space)
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  306. # [15:58] <Hixie> dbaron: the script just looks for alt, but if you want some other mechanism i can add one
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  308. # [16:00] <Hixie> the code is:
  309. # [16:00] <Hixie> div.onclick = function (event) {
  310. # [16:00] <Hixie> if (event.detail == 2 && event.button == 0 && event.altKey)
  311. # [16:00] <Hixie> that.edit(true, null);
  312. # [16:00] <Hixie> }
  313. # [16:02] <dbaron> http://dbaron.org/tmp/mouse-events
  314. # [16:04] * Philip` notes that that conflicts with KDE's interception of alt to do window moving, but ctrl+alt doesn't get intercepted and still triggers the onclick behaviour in the spec, so that's bearable
  315. # [16:05] <virtuelv> Hixie: assume you upgraded to a green server, then?
  316. # [16:05] <Hixie> i signed up to whatever they offered
  317. # [16:05] <Hixie> it basically boiled down to "removing nfs"
  318. # [16:05] <Hixie> which i am extremely happy for them to do
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  320. # [16:06] <Hixie> the bandwidth/disk is a bonus i wouldn't have asked for :-)
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  326. # [16:15] <hsivonen> does anyone already have the URL for my long SVG email? (the review of the SVG WG's)
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  330. # [16:18] <Hixie> it's at the top of my reply, iirc
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  336. # [16:33] <gsnedders> Real number algorithm is broken
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  338. # [16:35] <gsnedders> No, I'm stupid
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  344. # [16:43] <annevk5> oops, my rough TPAC notes end up on ajaxian :)
  345. # [16:45] <smedero> and: http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2008/10/23/distributed_extensibility_stays_alive_and_anne
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  347. # [16:45] <smedero> though i suppose there is a traffic difference there
  348. # [16:46] <annevk5> oh yeah, Sam Ruby's blog too
  349. # [16:46] <annevk5> i guess that teaches me too not post at 4AM
  350. # [16:46] <annevk5> s/too/to/
  351. # [16:47] <smedero> more: http://realtech.burningbird.net/web/page-markups/extensibility-and-markup-again-and-again
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  353. # [16:50] <annevk5> ouch
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  355. # [16:50] <annevk5> blog fallout
  356. # [16:50] <annevk5> :)
  357. # [16:50] <smedero> apparently people read these blog things
  358. # [16:51] <annevk5> they better read the news, that's actually reasonable and unbiased and such
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  360. # [16:58] <karlUshi> annevk5: splash ;)
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  388. # [17:57] <Philip`> Is there some way I can make a <pre contenteditable> act like a <textarea> so users can't insert any markup or doing anything except plain text?
  389. # [17:58] <Philip`> (while still allowing scripts to insert markup into it)
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  424. # [22:55] <hsivonen> Hmm. Sam is caling data-* OPMLish over at burning bird
  425. # [23:01] <Hixie> is that an insult? or praise?
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  428. # [23:07] <hsivonen> Hixie: definitely an insult
  429. # [23:08] * weinig is now known as weinig|away
  430. # [23:09] <hsivonen> "OPML (the most horrific abuse of XML known to man)" -- http://planetapache.org/
  431. # [23:10] * hsivonen tries to find TP day minutes...
  432. # [23:11] <Hixie> aah
  433. # [23:11] <Hixie> i want AB and AC minutes
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  435. # [23:16] <hsivonen> is there a logic to generated minute urls?
  436. # [23:16] <hsivonen> I don't find tp day minutes
  437. # [23:16] <hsivonen> I'd like to point peolpe to dbaron's question/point about the reader side of extensibility and Flash
  438. # [23:18] <hsivonen> aah http://www.w3.org/2008/10/22-tp-minutes.html
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  440. # [23:19] <hsivonen> :-( dbaron got minuted poorly
  441. # [23:22] * aroben|away is now known as aroben
  442. # [23:22] <Hixie> shocking
  443. # [23:23] <hsivonen> fortunately, the one of my sentences on the panel that invited the most negative feedback is not in minutes...
  444. # [23:23] <Hixie> hah
  445. # [23:46] <Dashiva> hsivonen: I'm sure it will be on lastweek soon enough :)
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