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  4. # [00:10] <john_fallows> Hixie: as promised, I sent separate emails to the comments list regarding SSE proxies and SSE load balancing
  5. # [00:18] <Hixie> thanks
  6. # [00:18] <Hixie> saw those
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  20. # [01:14] <Hixie> only 206 e-mails left in the WF2 folder
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  28. # [01:46] <Hixie> 168.
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  31. # [01:55] <blooberry> hixie: 38 in a half hour? You'll be done by bedtime at that rate
  32. # [01:55] <Hixie> not all of them got direct replies, some got moved to other folders for bulk reply later
  33. # [01:56] <Hixie> but bulk replies are easy to do compared to individual replies and compared to finding the e-mails to bulk reply to
  34. # [02:02] <Philip`> "... if the returned value is an element node with either the local name datalist or the local name select, and (for XHTML) with the XHTML namespace" - why does the namespace bit only apply to XHTML?
  35. # [02:03] <Philip`> Oh, wait, that's the old WF2 spec
  36. # [02:03] <Hixie> wf2 is a mess
  37. # [02:03] * othermaciej_ is now known as othermaciej
  38. # [02:03] <Philip`> Please ignore me :-)
  39. # [02:04] <Hixie> 152
  40. # [02:05] <Hixie> i'll probably be a bit late to the whatwg meet
  41. # [02:05] <Hixie> i hope people don't leave early
  42. # [02:05] <Hixie> (i have to eat first then cycle home then go there)
  43. # [02:05] <blooberry> I think in this group, everyone will understand your excuse of "I was working on the spec"
  44. # [02:06] <dbaron> I couldn't quite tell if people were expecting to eat at the meetup or before it or after it...
  45. # [02:08] <othermaciej> oh yeah the meetup
  46. # [02:10] <annevk2> we can meat at the meetup I think
  47. # [02:10] <annevk2> I won't have eaten when I arrive
  48. # [02:11] <Philip`> Meat?
  49. # [02:11] <annevk2> eat
  50. # [02:11] <Philip`> Ah
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  53. # [02:16] <Hixie> ok going to grab food.
  54. # [02:17] <Hixie> blooberry: you coming?
  55. # [02:17] <dbaron> I'm not sure about eating at a pub...
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  57. # [02:17] <Hixie> actually that pub has ok food iirc
  58. # [02:17] <Hixie> but i wouldn't eat there either :-)
  59. # [02:17] <dbaron> of course, it might take me a good 20 minutes to find the people who I promised I'd give a ride...
  60. # [02:18] <Hixie> bbl
  61. # [02:19] <annevk2> i'm ok with eating somewhere else too
  62. # [02:19] <annevk2> if someone can name me a restaurant i'll show up
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  65. # [02:27] <annevk2> looking at the time I'll probably eat at the pub
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  152. # [12:29] <Lachy> I think that <q> discussion has effectively turned into a permathread. It's basically rehashing the same arguments that I've seen on www-html, www-style and possibly other lists for at least the past 5 years
  153. # [12:37] <hendry> maybe someone needs to blog on the pros and cons to act as a reference
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  155. # [12:41] <Lachy> hendry, thanks for volunteering :-)
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  157. # [13:07] <zcorpan> i don't read that thread; have i missed anything?
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  160. # [13:21] <Lachy> zcorpan, here's a quick summary of the arguments so far: Different langagues have different quoting conventions, nested quotes and mixed langauges make things more complex. Various solutions proposed ranging from defining explicit quoting rules, to no quoting, to dropping <q> altogether
  161. # [13:21] <Lachy> now you haven't missed anything
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  165. # [13:24] <zcorpan> Lachy: thanks
  166. # [13:25] <zcorpan> i'd prefer one of the latter proposals
  167. # [13:28] <Lachy> personally, I'd prefer to drop it at this stage. But in any case, the rules for rendering quotes need to be defined
  168. # [13:29] <Lachy> in which case, I'd like the spec to say render no quotes. But since IE8 will be rendering quotes now, we might be stuck with defining something else
  169. # [13:29] <Lachy> like always using the curly double and single quotes by default
  170. # [13:29] <zcorpan> Lachy: do you see adding it back in HTML6 if all browsers don't render quotes by then?
  171. # [13:30] <Lachy> if there are use cases to justify it, then it could stay in HTML5. But there haven't been any compelling use cases presented yet
  172. # [13:31] <Lachy> but I think if it renders quotes by default, then it will make it a less valuable solution, even if there are use cases for it
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  204. # [16:22] <Lachy> Hixie, yt?
  205. # [16:22] <zcorpan> Hixie: shouldn't a UA wait with load()ing until the </video> or </audio> end tag has been parsed?
  206. # [16:24] <zcorpan> Hixie: consider the UA getting "<video><source src=1>" and then the server waits a few seconds and then further gives "<source src=2>", the UA would already had started to load the first resource
  207. # [16:24] * annevk2 doubts Hixie is awake; it's 8AM over here :)
  208. # [16:25] * smedero rubs eyes
  209. # [16:25] <smedero> http://adactio.com/journal/1524/
  210. # [16:25] <zcorpan> morning annevk2
  211. # [16:28] <zcorpan> smedero: heh, without thinking about where the link came from i was about to paste it here after reading it
  212. # [16:28] <smedero> :-)
  213. # [16:28] <zcorpan> i guess browsers should "throttle the download" when there are many <audio>s
  214. # [16:30] <smedero> Is there an experimental build of Opera that support <audio>? I know there is a <video> one...
  215. # [16:30] <zcorpan> no, though we have an old impl of Audio()
  216. # [16:31] <smedero> ahh, ok.
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  218. # [16:33] <blooberry> annevk2: what are you doing in silly valley right now again?
  219. # [16:37] <annevk2> http://www.opera.com/education/tours/
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  221. # [16:44] <blooberry> annevk2: ah, that. 8-}
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  223. # [16:49] <BenMillard> here's something I just said in Mozilla's #accessibilty channel: "An 80% solution is many times more likely to fulfill the requirement of '1 major website accessible for each activity people do online' than a 1% solution, or a 4.5% solution"
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  225. # [16:56] <zcorpan> firefox seems to require type on <source> but it shouldn't be required per spec afaict
  226. # [17:03] <gsnedders> Man. Too many emails.
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  230. # [17:08] <Philip`> <q> is the new <acronym>
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  234. # [17:24] <aaronlev> Hixie, BenMillard was just pinging me about tables
  235. # [17:24] <doublec> zcorpan, source isn't fully implemented - there's a bug to that effect
  236. # [17:25] <aaronlev> what do you guys want me to review
  237. # [17:25] <doublec> what's there was done mainly so another browser vendor could do a demo showing multiple video formats working across browsers
  238. # [17:28] <zcorpan> doublec: ok
  239. # [17:29] <BenMillard> aaronlev, here's the header association algorithm as currently specified: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tabular-data.html#header-and-data-cell-semantics
  240. # [17:29] <aaronlev> and was there some other algorithm it was going to merge with?
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  242. # [17:29] <doublec> zcorpan, bug 449363
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  244. # [17:29] <annevk2> BenMillard, aaronlev and Hixie already communicated about that during TPAC
  245. # [17:30] <annevk2> BenMillard, Hixie was going to get back to aaronlev once he addressed outstanding feedback
  246. # [17:30] <aaronlev> annevk2: i wasn't at TPAC
  247. # [17:30] <annevk2> aaronlev, you still communicated though :) (over IRC)
  248. # [17:30] <aaronlev> i mean, hxie asked me to review something this week
  249. # [17:30] <aaronlev> so is it ready for my review or is there still outstanding feedback to fold in first
  250. # [17:31] <annevk2> the latter
  251. # [17:31] <annevk2> also, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20081023#l-263 suggests it would not necessarily be this week
  252. # [17:32] <BenMillard> aaronlev, there's a "semantics-tables" folder which lists some specific message Hixie will be going through: http://www.whatwg.org/issues/
  253. # [17:33] <BenMillard> aaronlev, the "Smart Span" algorithm is a prototype James Graham documented here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0075.html
  254. # [17:33] <aaronlev> i'll review it when it's got all of the current feedback folded in
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  256. # [17:35] <gsnedders> Has Mr Last Week died?
  257. # [17:35] <BenMillard> aaronlev, ok...just thought you might want to get a headstart, like trying out the various ideas prototyped here: http://james.html5.org/tables/table_inspector.html
  258. # [17:35] <aaronlev> BenMillard: if possible i would like others more familiar with the issues to arrive at a consensus
  259. # [17:35] <aaronlev> i'll check the algorithm to see if there are potential perf issues or whatever
  260. # [17:36] <aaronlev> and we can code it so people can play with the results
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  263. # [17:48] <aaronlev> well my first feedback is that you have a list with 4 levels and all levels use arabic numbers
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  265. # [17:48] <aaronlev> in the whatwg spec
  266. # [17:48] <aaronlev> kind of easy to lose your place
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  272. # [17:48] <Philip`> Argh, I can't even draw a table with borders without getting totally different results in Opera and Firefox
  273. # [17:48] * Philip` wonders why HTML/CSS is so hard
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  280. # [17:50] <Philip`> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Cstyle%3E%0D%0Atable%20%7B%20border-collapse%3A%20collapse%3B%20%7D%0D%0Atable%20td.left%20%7B%20border%3A%201px%20solid%3B%20%7D%0D%0Atable%20td.right%20%7B%20border%3A%201px%20solid%3B%20%7D%0D%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0D%0A%3Ctable%20class%3D%22matrix%22%3E%0D%0A%3Ctr%3E%0D%0A%3Ctd%20class%3D%22left%22%20rowspan%3D%222%22%3Ea%0D%0A%3Ctd%3Ex%0D%0A%3Ctd%20class%3D%22right%22%2
  281. # [17:51] <Philip`> Oops
  282. # [17:51] <Philip`> http://tinyurl.com/57bksm
  283. # [17:51] <Philip`> Is Firefox (3.0) wrong in drawing a border underneath the 'y'?
  284. # [17:54] <Philip`> All I want to do is use table hacks to draw a matrix :-(
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  290. # [18:18] <svl> Philip`: so it seems to set the border-bottom of td.left to be equal to the border-bottom of the second tr - and then apply the border styles of both td and tr to it. I don't know if the behaviour in the case of rowspan is actually defined anywhere... (And in the case of "undefined", I don't think gecko can be said to be wrong, though it's certainly counter-intuitive.)
  291. # [18:20] <svl> Looks to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332740
  292. # [18:20] <svl> yeah, the testcase matches
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  301. # [18:55] <Philip`> svl: Okay, thanks
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  303. # [18:55] <Philip`> I think I might have actually run into the same problem in the past in a totally different context, since the bug looks familiar
  304. # [18:57] <Philip`> But I'm perfectly happy to blame Gecko for violating my expectations, regardless of what specs say, particularly if other browsers do what I want :-)
  305. # [18:59] <svl> Heh. :)
  306. # [19:14] <Philip`> (In this case I don't actually need border-collapse at all, so I can just remove it and it's all fine)
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  310. # [19:24] <Hixie> zcorpan: no, it should look with every source, that way it starts getting one as soon as there is a good one
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  313. # [19:28] <hober> http://www.jroller.com/tedgoddard/entry/websocket_is_neither_web_nor
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  319. # [19:35] <Lachy> Hixie, I have some issues with your disposition-of-comments2html.py script, which I borrowed from XBL2. It doesn't seem to work the way I expected it would.
  320. # [19:35] <Lachy> see http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/disposition-of-comments.txt and http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api/disposition-of-comments.html
  321. # [19:35] <Lachy> it seems it totally ignored the summary field and used the subject line from the email as the heading instead.
  322. # [19:35] <john_fallows> hober: there seem to be some technical inaccuracies in that post
  323. # [19:37] <john_fallows> hober: but it does raise two interesting questions about IANA ports and WebSocket connection limits
  324. # [19:38] <john_fallows> Hixie: when would it be appropriate for IANA to be consulted regarding ws:// port 81 and wss:// port 815 ?
  325. # [19:40] <Lachy> john_fallows, when the web sockets section is relatively stable
  326. # [19:42] <john_fallows> Lachy: are the default port numbers for ws:// and wss:// schemes not yet considered stable?
  327. # [19:45] <Lachy> I don't know
  328. # [19:46] <Lachy> are there browser vendors looking at implementing really soon?
  329. # [19:47] <john_fallows> you'd have to ask them :-)
  330. # [19:48] <john_fallows> presumably this IANA request would be one of the last steps to stabilize the WebSocket section before browser vendors would provide an implementation
  331. # [19:49] <Lachy> it would need to be done before any release version was shipped with support for web sockets. But browsers could proceed with experimental versions before it was finalised and provide feedback
  332. # [19:49] <Hixie> Lachy: yes, that is as designed (by summaries sucked)
  333. # [19:50] <Hixie> s/by/my/
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  336. # [19:50] <Lachy> oh. Is there another field that I can use that will be output by the script?
  337. # [19:50] <Hixie> no idea
  338. # [19:50] <Lachy> or will I have to modify the script to output the summaries myself?
  339. # [19:50] <Lachy> ok
  340. # [19:50] <john_fallows> what is the proposed relationship between WebSocket connection limits and regular HTTP connection limits in the browser?
  341. # [19:50] <Hixie> i didn't even remember the script existed until 2 minutes ago
  342. # [19:51] <Hixie> my impression was that there was no IANA consultation process, just a registration process, and I do not want to register anything until we know we're sure we're doing it
  343. # [19:51] <Hixie> same with the headers, mime types, etc
  344. # [19:51] <Hixie> about the only thing html5 doesn't need registering is a new top-level mime hierarchy
  345. # [19:51] <john_fallows> Hixie: sounds like exactly the right strategy
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  347. # [19:52] <Hixie> (we're even talking about registering new registries!)
  348. # [19:52] <john_fallows> lol
  349. # [19:52] <john_fallows> what is the proposed relationship between WebSocket connection limits and regular HTTP connection limits in the browser?
  350. # [19:52] <jcranmer> Hixie: I'm sure someone will come up with a top-level MIME hierarchy for HTML 5 soon
  351. # [19:53] <gsnedders> Hixie: We were discussing unknown as top-level, remember?
  352. # [19:53] <Hixie> john_fallows: i don't think anything is proposed
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  354. # [19:53] <Hixie> gsnedders: oh jeez, you're right
  355. # [19:53] <Hixie> we're EVEN considering registering a top-level mime hierarchy
  356. # [19:53] <Hixie> what a jip
  357. # [19:53] <Hixie> this is ridiculous
  358. # [19:54] <Hixie> http headers, ports, schemes, mime types, mime hierarchies, registries
  359. # [19:54] <Hixie> anything else?
  360. # [19:55] <jcranmer> want more stuff to consider adding for the sake of registering?
  361. # [19:55] <Hixie> lord no
  362. # [19:55] <Hixie> just making sure i know the whole list
  363. # [19:56] <john_fallows> given that a WebSocket connection cannot be reused, it seems appropriate to specify connection limits independent from HTTP, to avoid WebSocket taking up all the HTTP connections
  364. # [19:56] <jcranmer> well, this is the lot: http://iana.org/protocols/
  365. # [19:57] <Hixie> john_fallows: yes i would think it is reasonable not to apply http limits to websocket
  366. # [19:57] <Hixie> that's probably the default, too, since http != websocket :-)
  367. # [19:58] <john_fallows> yes, agreed, although it probably ought to be specified explicitly to make sure browser vendors keep them separate
  368. # [19:58] <Hixie> yeah maybe
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  370. # [19:59] <john_fallows> Server-sent events would also benefit from being kept separate from regular HTTP connections
  371. # [20:01] <john_fallows> in fact, it is probably reasonable to place a combined limit on SSE and WebSocket connections, separate from the limit on regular HTTP connections
  372. # [20:01] <jcranmer> I'm guessing webservice is TCP, right?
  373. # [20:01] <Hixie> wow, my filters totally caught the entire <q> thread and considered it low-priority
  374. # [20:01] <jcranmer> s/service/socket/
  375. # [20:01] <Hixie> my filters rock
  376. # [20:02] <Hixie> jcranmer: yes
  377. # [20:02] <jcranmer> so you don't need to register a protocol number
  378. # [20:02] <BenMillard> cool, aaronlev sent some early feedback while I was eating a kebab: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-October/016915.html
  379. # [20:03] <jcranmer> that appears to be the whole list then
  380. # [20:03] <aaronlev> BenMillard: but my feedback isn't nearly as tasty
  381. # [20:03] <BenMillard> :P
  382. # [20:03] <BenMillard> Hixie, since IE8 will be shipping soon with an implementation of <q> which matches HTML4 but differs from HTML5, maybe it should get bumped up the queue?
  383. # [20:03] <BenMillard> (for some definition of "soon")
  384. # [20:04] <Hixie> i don't see what we can do but drop the entire element at this point
  385. # [20:04] <Philip`> I suggest renaming the element from <q> to "
  386. # [20:04] <Hixie> right
  387. # [20:05] <BenMillard> in my research, authors commonly use punctuation instead of <q> even when they do "
  388. # [20:05] <BenMillard> but they also use <em> with punctuation to avoid using <q> with CSS
  389. # [20:07] <BenMillard> so authors are happy to type the punctuation, but sometimes want styling as well...so if <q> was consistent with other phrase-level elements and didn't generate punctuation, that would be neat way of achieving this
  390. # [20:11] <campd> Hixie: so another offline nit... should a resource that matched a fallback namespace, but didn't actually fallback, be considered "loaded from the application cache" for the purposes of the cache selection algorithm?
  391. # [20:11] <campd> it seems like it should, but it's not explicit.
  392. # [20:13] <john_fallows> Hixie: since there is no explicit limit set on WebSocket connections in the spec, does that imply there is no limit, so any number of WebSocket connections could be made from the same browser to the same WebSocket server?
  393. # [20:15] <Hixie> BenMillard: well apparently <q> generates punctuation
  394. # [20:16] <aaronlev> BenMillard: i did not understand kristof's reply to me :/
  395. # [20:16] <Hixie> campd: top-level?
  396. # [20:17] <Hixie> john_fallows: yes
  397. # [20:17] <Hixie> aaronlev: nobody understands kristof really
  398. # [20:17] <aaronlev> snort
  399. # [20:17] <john_fallows> Hixie: ok, do you have any objection to making that implication explicit in the spec?
  400. # [20:19] <Hixie> john_fallows: not particularily, send feedback. :[)
  401. # [20:19] <Hixie> er
  402. # [20:19] <Hixie> :-)
  403. # [20:19] <john_fallows> ok, will do.
  404. # [20:23] <Hixie> thanks
  405. # [20:24] <john_fallows> done
  406. # [20:24] <takkaria> Hixie: I'd like to see your filters, they must have some serious intention-detecting voodoo going on
  407. # [20:25] <BenMillard> I feel sorry for Chris Wilson...his opening message is an implementor giving feedback during their final approach to shipping a product and there's very little he can take away from the thread which resulted
  408. # [20:27] <BenMillard> once all 4 main browsers are generating " on <q> and </q>, I guess we're stuck with it...even though hardly anyone uses <q> and it is impossible to internationise if it generates punctutation (as David Baron explained during the HTMLWG meeting)
  409. # [20:27] <BenMillard> s/punctutation/punctuation/
  410. # [20:28] <BenMillard> s/internationise/internationalise/
  411. # [20:29] <Philip`> takkaria: They shouldn't need much voodoo - they can be based simply on the existing distributed socially-networked human-powered filtering system, i.e. if certain people choose to respond to a topic then you probably don't want to read it
  412. # [20:31] <Philip`> Those people do all the hard work of reading the emails and classifying them into "I must give my opinion here!" and "this is just technical details, I don't care about this", so it's classified along the same boundaries that you want
  413. # [20:33] <takkaria> I imagine that filtering any threads which generate so much noise from so few people would work quite well too
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  417. # [20:59] <campd> Hixie: yeah
  418. # [21:01] <campd> Hixie: (or any context, if we end up making each iframe an island)
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  421. # [21:18] <Hixie> campd: i mean, as opposed to an <img> image
  422. # [21:18] <Hixie> campd: as far as i can tell, it's all already defined
  423. # [21:19] <Hixie> campd: if it's top-level, matched a namespace but came from the network, it's only in the cache if it has a manifest
  424. # [21:20] <campd> ok
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  428. # [22:19] <gsnedders> should any event fire on auto-completion? do we want one to?
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  433. # [22:44] <BenMillard> in the end, I couldn't resist the <q> thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Oct/0221.html
  434. # [22:45] <BenMillard> I looked on the ESW wiki for things about <q> but there were only position papers, with few references to sources other than those the main contributor had written
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  439. # [22:55] <Lachy> BenMillard, at least your post was well thought out and contained a lot of useul information, rather than being totally useless like most others in the thread
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  444. # [23:05] <BenMillard> Lachy, thanks. :)
  445. # [23:05] <hober> indeed, it's been almost the only email worth reading in the thread
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  447. # [23:13] <Dashiva> So what's the next <acronym> after we're done with <q>?
  448. # [23:14] <smedero> we'll probably just rehash <i> and <b>.
  449. # [23:14] <Hixie> man, hsivonen_ would love what's going on in geolocation
  450. # [23:15] <Hixie> people are trying to get an API changed to push their political agenda
  451. # [23:15] <smedero> :(
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  454. # [23:15] <Dashiva> Hixie: Isn't that just business as usual in w3c?
  455. # [23:15] <Hixie> no comment
  456. # [23:15] <Hixie> hey is mr last week ok? it's been nearly 5 days since his last post
  457. # [23:16] * annevk2 wants a copy of that picture of Hixie and John Foliot
  458. # [23:16] <Dashiva> Did you actually say that Ali G line?
  459. # [23:16] <Hixie> hm?
  460. # [23:16] <smedero> maybe he went out to the russian cabaret
  461. # [23:17] <Dashiva> This one: http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/2008/10/tpacker.html
  462. # [23:17] <annevk2> smedero, you should've been there
  463. # [23:17] <smedero> yeah, I felt a bit of regret after reading the twitter recap.
  464. # [23:18] <smedero> though I had fun discussion of US immigration and driving laws
  465. # [23:18] <BenMillard> smedero, I was there for that! It wasn't my idea of fun!
  466. # [23:18] <smedero> oh
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  468. # [23:23] <BenMillard> the ice cream was a dream, though
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  475. # [23:32] <Hixie> Dashiva: sure, I often say "yo wassup" when someone asks me if I'm there. :-)
  476. # [23:33] <Hixie> i didn't say that riviera quote though
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