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  78. # [13:17] <jgraham> hsivonen: If the doctype name is folded, is there any constraint on which way it should be folded? Fold-o-lowercase makes the most sense to me but isn't what Gecko does at the moment.
  79. # [13:17] * jgraham is catching up with some of the email from the last month
  80. # [13:21] <hsivonen> jgraham: lower case seems more elegant and more sane when mapping to XML 1.0 but browser-wise, I'd just want to get an interned string
  81. # [13:21] <jgraham> hsivonen: OK.
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  87. # [13:48] <hsivonen> heh. Geolocation is now seen as part of "html5" on twitter
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  119. # [19:12] <yecril71> Microsoft Internet Explorer treats all unknown elements as empty.
  120. # [19:13] <yecril71> Only custom elements with namespace prefixes can contain other elements in the DOM.
  121. # [19:14] <Philip`> That's sort of true, except if you do document.createElement('foo') then it'll start parsing <foo> as non-empty
  122. # [19:15] <Philip`> i.e. <foo>a</foo><script>document.createElement('foo')</script><foo>b</foo> will produce an empty FOO element, then 'a', then an empty /FOO element, then a script element, then a foo element that contains 'b'
  123. # [19:15] <yecril71> That requires script support and does not work for restricted sites.
  124. # [19:15] <Philip`> Why would it be different in restricted sites?
  125. # [19:16] <yecril71> Because restricted sites do not allow scripts to run.
  126. # [19:16] <Philip`> Ah
  127. # [19:16] <yecril71> I know because I had to restrict several for my own use.
  128. # [19:17] <yecril71> Anyway, if the author wants arbitrary elements, he can use XML+CSS
  129. # [19:17] <yecril71> or XML+XSLT
  130. # [19:18] <Philip`> or a different browser
  131. # [19:18] <yecril71> There is no need to push them into HTML.
  132. # [19:18] <yecril71> The author surely can use a different browser.
  133. # [19:18] <yecril71> The problem is the viewer cannot.
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  135. # [19:21] <Dashiva> The combination of restricted site and restricted browser sounds like intranet
  136. # [19:24] <yecril71> Restricting sites is useful at home as well.
  137. # [19:25] <yecril71> Nobody likes the browser to hang in the middle of something.
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  139. # [19:31] <Dashiva> There's no restriction on browsers at home, though.
  140. # [19:33] <yecril71> Internet Explorer has restricted zones.
  141. # [19:33] <yecril71> A site that belongs to a restricted zone is restricted.
  142. # [19:34] <yecril71> The decision on whether a site should be restricted is on the home user.
  143. # [19:49] <Philip`> If a user configures their browser so that some web sites stop working, that's the user's problem and it shouldn't be the authors' responsibility to cope with those atypical restrictions
  144. # [19:50] <Philip`> Is it just me, or is "Re: [whatwg] SPOOFED: Re: SPOOFED: Re: ---" a pretty rubbish subject line for an email thread?
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  146. # [19:58] <Lachy> Philip`, the original message with the subject "[whatwg] ---" was even more rubbish
  147. # [20:01] <Philip`> Lachy: I disagree - I think the longer subject exhibits more of what kids nowadays would call "epic fail" than the original
  148. # [20:02] <yecril71> I think placing sites into the restricted zone is a typical setting.
  149. # [20:02] <yecril71> It is better to have them restricted than to have them break the browser.
  150. # [20:02] <hsivonen> hmm. Opera's "always standards mode" really means "map quirks to standards but keep almost standards as almost standards"
  151. # [20:03] <Lachy> the longer one is a result of poor spam filtering software and a lack of effort to manually clean it up, but the shorter one is a result of consiously using a bogus subject line
  152. # [20:05] <yecril71> The authorís responsibility is to publish valid content.
  153. # [20:06] <yecril71> Content that uses custom elements should remain invalid.
  154. # [20:08] <yecril71> "SPOOFED" means the presence of Envelope-Sender in this case.
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  156. # [20:08] <Philip`> Lachy: So the shorter one is merely the result of consciously using a bogus subject line, whereas the longer one is a result of that plus poor spam filtering software plus another four authors who didn't bother fixing the subject and is therefore more rubbish
  157. # [20:09] <yecril71> It means WHATWG is posing as the author.
  158. # [20:10] <Philip`> That's because it's a pretty standard mailing list, so it's silly for a mail client to think that's a problem
  159. # [20:11] <yecril71> The world is a place of all sorts of weird things.
  160. # [20:11] <Philip`> That's what makes it interesting enough to bother living in :-)
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