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  14. # [02:15] <Philip`> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
  15. # [02:15] <Philip`> 22726 philip 20 0 2132m 711m 21m S 1 35.3 553:42.56 opera
  16. # [02:16] <Philip`> (This is with a total of one tab open, and that one is empty)
  17. # [02:16] <Philip`> I think Opera might have a memory leak :-(
  18. # [02:16] <Philip`> Steps to reproduce: 1) Browse the web for two weeks.
  19. # [02:22] <BenMillard> Al Gilman has made a survey about how to organise WAI-ARIA integration, which I've just filled in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0580.html
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  34. # [04:50] <Hixie> hsivonen: initial containing block is neither html nor body, it's a box that contains html
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  44. # [09:49] <gsnedders> Philip`: That's a bit vague. Can you be more specific? What sites are you meant to frequently visit throughout the two week period, for example?
  45. # [09:49] <gsnedders> :P
  46. # [09:55] <annevk3> anyone any idea where the text in "Typical default display properties" in http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/#audio comes from?
  47. # [09:56] <annevk3> maybe Mike just scraped a UA style sheet?
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  50. # [10:08] <annevk3> ah, it's from WebKit
  51. # [10:13] <roc> yeah, that was weird
  52. # [10:23] <annevk3> Hixie, in the IRC logs you commented somewhere on the usage of <keygen>, did you read http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/attachments/20080714/07ea5534/attachment.txt ?
  53. # [10:26] <krijn> BenMillard: yes, about that stats package
  54. # [10:34] <Hixie> annevk3: right... where's the private key used?
  55. # [10:35] * Philip` assumed it was used to identify the client in SSL connections
  56. # [10:36] <gsnedders> time to return to SETTLERS2
  57. # [10:36] <gsnedders> That and Civ2 are two awesome procrastination tools.
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  60. # [10:50] <hsivonen> Hixie: oh. If the Document object itself cooresponds to the initial containing block, that makes the assertions I saw more interesting
  61. # [10:50] <hsivonen> s/oor/orr/
  62. # [10:51] <Hixie> i don't know if i'd phrase it such that the document itself is the icb, but i guess if you compare the dom to the render tree you would find a document in the dom in a position analogous to where the icb is
  63. # [10:53] <hsivonen> I somehow managed to get the frame constructor into a state where it asserted about null icb
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  72. # [12:33] * Hixie rambles on www-tag
  73. # [12:33] <Hixie> i wonder what to do about select.value
  74. # [12:33] <Hixie> we've had several requests
  75. # [12:33] <Hixie> its back compat story sucks
  76. # [12:33] <Hixie> er, <select value=""> i should say
  77. # [12:34] <Hixie> oh well
  78. # [12:34] <Hixie> nn
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  81. # [12:49] <Lachy> Hixie, what is <select value=""> supposed to do?
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  83. # [12:54] <gsnedders> hsivonen: Why can't you set the parser to XML when served as text/html on validator.nu?
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  85. # [12:55] <hsivonen> gsnedders: you can
  86. # [12:55] <gsnedders> hsivonen: http://validator.nu/?=&doc=http%3A%2F%2Flabs.utopian.net%2Fblogs%2Fsimplish-demo%2F&schema=http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml10%2Fxhtml-transitional.rnc+http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml10%2Fxhtml.sch++http%3A%2F%2Fc.validator.nu%2Fall-html4%2F&parser=xml
  87. # [12:56] <hsivonen> gsnedders: you need to check the box labeled "RFC 3023 Sucks"
  88. # [12:56] <hsivonen> gsnedders: http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Flabs.utopian.net%2Fblogs%2Fsimplish-demo%2F&schema=http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml10%2Fxhtml-transitional.rnc+http%3A%2F%2Fs.validator.nu%2Fxhtml10%2Fxhtml.sch++http%3A%2F%2Fc.validator.nu%2Fall-html4%2F&parser=xml&laxtype=yes
  89. # [12:56] <gsnedders> hsivonen: Oh, that's counter-inuative
  90. # [12:57] <hsivonen> gsnedders: you aren't supposed to do that. you are supposed to fix your server config :-)
  91. # [12:57] <gsnedders> hsivonen: :)
  92. # [12:57] <gsnedders> hsivonen: But I said I want an XML parser dangnamit!
  93. # [12:58] <hsivonen> gsnedders: in that case, the Accept header changes, but the server still sent text/html
  94. # [12:58] <gsnedders> hsivonen: ah
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  97. # [13:11] * gsnedders +1s Hixie's email to www-tag
  98. # [13:11] <hsivonen> indeed
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  105. # [14:42] <hsivonen> http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/parsing/encoding/055.html is interesting
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  111. # [15:41] <takkaria> yay for ascii art
  112. # [15:53] <gsnedders> jgraham, annevk3: can you update your copies of Anolis on your web services?
  113. # [15:54] <gsnedders> after that, Hixie can regen the spec to fix the bug Lachy reported yesterday
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  123. # [18:00] <gsnedders> Lachy_: does <http://hg.gsnedders.com/anolis/raw-file/b1648aaa8c8f/README.html#id-generation> seem right?
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  145. # [20:06] * Philip` gets a new phone, which appears to have NetFront 3.3, and finds that it seemingly attempts to render the SVG on http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/ but only manages to draw a white rectangle with a black outline of the text
  146. # [20:08] <jgraham> gsnedders: I will do that at some convenient moment
  147. # [20:08] <jgraham> Which may or may not be this evening
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  151. # [20:15] <gsnedders> jgraham: :)
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  158. # [21:05] <Hixie> Lachy: <select value=""> would be a simple replacement for <select selected>
  159. # [21:09] <gsnedders> Hixie: I've fixed the bug in Anolis causing the bug on 4.10.4.1.2 in the TOC; waiting on jgraham and annevk3 to update their web services :P
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  161. # [21:10] <Hixie> cool
  162. # [21:10] <Hixie> hey he went away already
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  164. # [21:16] <Lachy> Hixie, I assume you mean <option selected>. Do any browsers support <select value=""> already?
  165. # [21:16] <Lachy> if not, what's the point of it?
  166. # [21:16] <Hixie> er yes, <option selected>
  167. # [21:16] <Hixie> he point would be making scripts that output <select>s far easier
  168. # [21:17] <Hixie> it's not supported anywhere
  169. # [21:17] <gsnedders> Hixie: Yeah, I don't hang around :)
  170. # [21:17] <Lachy> ok, so you could do <select value="b"><option>a<option>b<option>c</select>
  171. # [21:18] <Lachy> and if value="x" doesn't match one of the options, then would it fallback to selecting the first option, as if it wasn't specified?
  172. # [21:23] <Philip`> http://www.ipiao.com.cn/ does <select size="1" name="to"><script>City_Default="PEK"</script><SCRIPT language=javascript src="/js/flightcity.js"></SCRIPT></select> which is the kind of thing that could be much simpler with <select value="PEK">
  173. # [21:25] <Lachy> I suppose mapping HTMLSelectElement.value to the new value attribute would be mostly backwards compatible.
  174. # [21:25] <Lachy> however, there would be an issue when there's a <option selected> and a conflicting value=""
  175. # [21:35] <Hixie> that's easy to sort out
  176. # [21:37] <deltab> wouldn't it be defaultValue?
  177. # [21:37] <Hixie> probably
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  184. # [23:36] <Philip`> Hixie: <code title="attr-script-language"></code> in recent checkin
  185. # [23:40] <Hixie> oops
  186. # [23:40] <Hixie> thanks fixed
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  188. # [23:49] <gsnedders> Lachy: can you look over http://hg.gsnedders.com/anolis/raw-file/b1648aaa8c8f/README.html#id-generation?
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