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  62. # [05:11] <Hixie> man comig up with good-sounding formal terminology is hard
  63. # [05:11] <Hixie> coming even
  64. # [05:12] <Hixie> at least, it's hard when you're defining the fifth or sixth term that means basically the same thing as the others
  65. # [05:12] <Hixie> i need a term for a conceptual group that is going to contain all the scripts run in the context of a document between calls to document.open()
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  67. # [05:21] <kfish> oh, you mean a document.open() 'twixt run-group?
  68. # [05:22] * kfish confuses "formal" with "archaic"
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  70. # [05:26] <MikeSmith> +1 to kfish's 'twixt suggestion
  71. # [05:26] <MikeSmith> we need more quaint archaisms in specs
  72. # [05:27] * MikeSmith is reminded of Frank Zappa's "Does Humor Belong in Music?"..
  73. # [05:27] <MikeSmith> Does Humor Belong in Standards?
  74. # [05:27] <MikeSmith> answer: Yes
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  104. # [07:38] <Hixie> MikeSmith: oh there's plenty of humour in html5 already
  105. # [07:39] <MikeSmith> yeah, I know -- in the examples in particular. moreso certainly in the environment surrounding the spec..
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  107. # [07:49] <Hixie> heh
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  111. # [08:23] <Hixie> wow, someone just set himself up for a beating from the img-alt people
  112. # [08:23] <Hixie> in www-html
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  150. # [12:52] <Lachy> othermaciej, yt?
  151. # [12:52] <Lachy> or weinig?
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  164. # [14:01] <annevk5> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/XFormsForHTML/index-all.html
  165. # [14:01] <annevk5> not published yet but will be published later or some such
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  167. # [14:14] <MikeSmith> annevk5: I think it may just be the existing XForms Transitional doc under a new name
  168. # [14:14] <annevk5> no
  169. # [14:14] <annevk5> it uses xmlns="" and xmlns:my="" and such
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  171. # [14:26] <MikeSmith> ah, OK
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  201. # [18:37] <blooberry> mikesmith: yt?
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  205. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> blooberry: here now
  206. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> blooberry: I think the dev.opera MAMA table report actually has what I wanted
  207. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> I realize, after looking at it more
  208. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> I had been wanting to know if what the frequency was for the td/th axis attribute
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  210. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> Philip` also helped me out on #html-wg with some data from his corpus, and URLs
  211. # [19:01] * Philip` sees that his IE8 browser-freezing bug is now marked as "Won't Fix"
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  217. # [19:12] <blooberry> mikesmith: cool.
  218. # [19:13] * MikeSmith needs to read the MAMA CSS report when he can make time
  219. # [19:13] <blooberry> mikesmith: there's also the huge bare attribute list that is a lot harder to wade through
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  221. # [19:13] <blooberry> the CSS aspect was not as full as I wanted it to be. I'm going to do pull out a lot more info in the next crawl
  222. # [19:14] <Philip`> I wish I knew how to use LVM, so I could give myself more disk space to store all this HTML analysis stuff
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  225. # [19:17] <MikeSmith> Philip`: you need some "cloud computing"
  226. # [19:18] <Philip`> MikeSmith: The problem is that that needs "money"
  227. # [19:18] <MikeSmith> heh
  228. # [19:19] <MikeSmith> hey, funny thing about the term "cloud computing" is that in kataka-ized Japanese, it and "crowd computing" sound exactly the same
  229. # [19:20] <MikeSmith> so I've had conversations here where the ambiguity of just what it's supposed to mean has made the discussion more interesting
  230. # [19:20] <Philip`> MikeSmith: Anyway, I've got half a terabyte of disk available, so I don't need a cloud at all
  231. # [19:20] <blooberry> philip`: I need to work on the data storage aspect of MAMA
  232. # [19:20] <MikeSmith> Philip`: no, you need the Cloud. Everybody needs the Cloud. The Cloud will save Us.
  233. # [19:20] <Philip`> I just need to work out how to expand my 32GB partition without accidentally destroying all my data
  234. # [19:20] <MikeSmith> the "wisdom of the cloud"
  235. # [19:21] <Philip`> blooberry: I'm using the approach of just saving every file I downloaded, and then running the analysis script lots of times to extract different data into giant XML files, and it works well enough for me :-)
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  237. # [19:25] <blooberry> philip`: Do you store any of it in a database? Or just cache the page content locally?
  238. # [19:26] <blooberry> (I'd guess caching the page content)
  239. # [19:29] <Philip`> blooberry: For each page, I store a file {first two chars of hex MD5 of URI}/{hex MD5 of URI} containing the HTTP headers and the body bytes (using Java Serializable)
  240. # [19:30] <Philip`> and the list of URIs is a text file
  241. # [19:30] <Philip`> and that's about it
  242. # [19:34] <Philip`> (That's a really inefficient way to store stuff, because it involves a huge amount of disk seeking and reading in order to process pages)
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  244. # [19:35] <blooberry> but disk space and personal computing cycles are "free" compared to "line expense" of getting the content over the Internet.
  245. # [19:36] <Philip`> (so I intended to write a new system that collects some number of pages into a single file, so it could read and process them all at once, and store them compressed)
  246. # [19:36] <Philip`> (but then I got bored and stopped working on it)
  247. # [19:38] <Philip`> blooberry: I'm not sure that's necessarily true - I think bandwidth usually costs somewhere roughly around $0.10 to $1 per GB, which is about the same as the cost of disk space
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  250. # [19:42] <Philip`> The real limit is human (im)patience, which is why I care about the time taken to read all the data from disk and to process it :-)
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