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  55. # [05:29] <raspberry-lemon> does anyone here know what's up with accesskeys in html5? any chance they're making it back into the spec?
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  61. # [06:40] <Hixie> raspberry-lemon: we're (i'm) not sure what to do with them
  62. # [06:40] <Hixie> raspberry-lemon: as implemented in browsers today and as defined in html4, they're a disaster
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  64. # [06:47] <raspberry-lemon> Hixie: i see... reading up on the problems now
  65. # [06:50] <raspberry-lemon> i didn't even know they'd been removed from html5 before i tried to validate my wiki a few hours ago
  66. # [06:50] <raspberry-lemon> and had absolutely no idea the implementations were so bad..
  67. # [06:56] <Hixie> basically they either are undiscoverable for users, or they clash with other existing shortcuts, or any number of other problems
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  223. # [17:37] <Lachy> I don't get this post. http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree/ - it's quoted that Hixie quote from the last "This Week in HTML5" about onbeforeunload, and sent a pingback to the whatwg blog, but the Hixie quote seems to be completely unrelated to the post itself.
  224. # [17:57] <Philip`> Lachy: It seems the point is that there are fundamental flaws running through the whole system (of government and its handling of terrorism suspects / of scripting in HTML5), and it's really hard to fix ("I really have no idea how we would go about reversing this") because you can't fix a small piece of the problem without getting bogged down in the more fundamental problems that underlie it
  225. # [17:57] <Dashiva> Each attempted fix reveals a problem in a wider system, requiring an even more difficult fix
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  227. # [18:08] * gsnedders both has too much hair and too little hair
  228. # [18:09] * Philip` wonders if gsnedders is referring only to hair on his head
  229. # [18:09] * gsnedders is indeed referring only to hair on his head
  230. # [18:10] * Dashiva wonders if the too much hair could be moved to the places with too little hair and create a balance
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  232. # [18:11] <gsnedders> No, I have too much hair insofar as it gets in the way, and not enough insofar as I can't tie it back
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  242. # [20:01] <gsnedders> Does anyone have a clue why http://gsnedders.com is so screwed in IE?
  243. # [20:04] <Dashiva> lang="en-gb-x-sneddy"
  244. # [20:05] * gsnedders wonders whether to take Dashiva seriously
  245. # [20:06] <gsnedders> The DOM being produced is all that renders on screen
  246. # [20:11] <Dashiva> So all the unknown elements and their contents are missing.
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  248. # [20:12] <gsnedders> Not all.
  249. # [20:12] <gsnedders> The pagination appears
  250. # [20:12] <yecril71> What Giovanni describes smells XHTML2.
  251. # [20:12] <yecril71> This is a good language for restricted purposes but it is not as good for being on the Web.
  252. # [20:13] * Lachy suggests gsnedders shaves his hair all off, and that he shouldn't consider the ability to tie it back a goal
  253. # [20:13] <Dashiva> gsnedders: That's just a regular <p> isn't it?
  254. # [20:13] <gsnedders> Hmm, removing Document.createElement("header") fixes it all :\
  255. # [20:14] <gsnedders> Dashiva: And it also seems to only be within divs, which goes against my memory of it :)
  256. # [20:14] <gsnedders> (well, not it all, but makes it all appear)
  257. # [20:14] <Dashiva> I have faith in my analysis :)
  258. # [20:19] * Philip` wonders how hard it'll be to update his OCaml meta-tokeniser to match the current spec
  259. # [20:26] * Philip` gets off to a bad start, since it appears he installed a new version of OCaml some time ago, and now all the libraries are incompatible and have to be reinstalled
  260. # [20:42] <erlehmann> on my site <http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net> the footer element is only displayed when being enclosed in a div or something
  261. # [20:43] <erlehmann> anyone knows how to change that behaviour ? i mean its like arbitrary XML isnt rendered at all.
  262. # [20:43] <erlehmann> ah, i forgot: my browser is iceweasel 3
  263. # [20:44] <erlehmann> but konqueror is unhappy too
  264. # [20:52] <yecril71> Internet Explorer says "Unknown file" and offers to save it to disk.
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  266. # [21:03] <yecril71> And XHR throws "Access denied".
  267. # [21:09] <yecril71> (Because XHR does not support redirects)
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  273. # [21:45] <BenMillard> any ideas why this <textarea> is not sized on both axes via CSS in Opera 9.63? Works in Firefox 2: http://projectcerbera.com/!dev/accessify/2008/viewtopic-12563
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  275. # [21:50] <hsivonen> Paged media is *hard*. I wish Prince was more affordable and had a GUI that showed the reformatted pages in near-real-time when tweaking the CSS or cropping images
  276. # [21:51] <hsivonen> Making a lot of changes to image layout in Word is drudgerous
  277. # [21:51] <hsivonen> Pages doesn't have Finnish hyphenation
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  279. # [21:51] <hsivonen> In Design is incomprehensible without training
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  282. # [21:56] <Philip`> How fun, the OCaml JSON parser doesn't understand surrogates and just throws an exception
  283. # [22:00] * Philip` guesses he'll have to preprocess the file to turn escaped surrogates into UTF-8 byte sequences
  284. # [22:04] <hsivonen> one would think that laying out books with images on a computer were a solved problem by now...
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  291. # [22:23] <BenMillard> hsivonen, I expect it is to people who are trained. :)
  292. # [22:25] <hsivonen> BenMillard: nope. my mother has previously bought the service from trained people, and it wasn't a solved problem then, either
  293. # [22:25] <BenMillard> oh
  294. # [22:27] <hsivonen> (experience suggests that a trained InDesign user who isn't the author of the text doesn't have the right idea of which images *must* go together with which text on one page)
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  298. # [22:31] <hsivonen> s/version/mode/
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