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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:07] * Philip` wonders if using an SQLite database as a mutex is a bad idea
  4. # [00:17] * heycam awakes happy knowing he didn't miss the leap second
  5. # [00:18] * heycam awakens, perhaps
  6. # [00:21] * gsnedders is kinda tempted to watch his computer clock over new year to see if it goes to :60
  7. # [00:23] * heycam is more than just tempted! although he doesn't have an actual new year's thing on at the leap second time, not being in UTC.
  8. # [00:23] <Dashiva> gsnedders: Write a program that does it for you ;)
  9. # [00:23] <gsnedders> Dashiva: :P
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  13. # [00:26] * Hixie writes his objectives for the next three months
  14. # [00:27] <Dashiva> "Catch up with email from the 19th century"
  15. # [00:28] <Hixie> actually a lot of it is splitting out sections -- websocket, uri, content sniffing
  16. # [00:28] <Hixie> anyway
  17. # [00:28] <Hixie> that's for next year
  18. # [00:28] <gsnedders> You're that up to date?
  19. # [00:28] <Hixie> bbiab
  20. # [00:28] <gsnedders> I mean, you've dealt with 18th cent. already?
  21. # [00:35] <Philip`> The main difficulty with responding to feedback from the 19th century is that you can't ask the original author for clarification
  22. # [00:39] <Dashiva> I smell a new hobby
  23. # [00:39] <jwalden> these seconds go to 60!
  24. # [00:39] <Dashiva> Writing feedback to specifications of the future
  25. # [00:40] <Dashiva> "I am concerned with section 4, it does not seem to cover all the relevant security concerns."
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  33. # [01:01] <Philip`> Thank you Microsoft for using disk volume labels like "\\?\Volume{110cf58b-d6f6-11dd-8afa-9ef3b601b1eb}\" and making my regexps incredibly ugly
  34. # [01:02] <heycam> bah, stupid windows and mac clocks not showing 10:59:60 AM
  35. # [01:04] <takkaria> happy new year from teh englandz
  36. # [01:05] <takkaria> and teh scotlandz too I guess
  37. # [01:12] * fakeolliej is now known as olliej
  38. # [01:16] <Philip`> XHTML seems to have had a pretty significant detrimental effect on people's understanding of HTML syntax
  39. # [01:17] <Philip`> It used to be all nice and easy - you wrote <FONT></FONT> and you wrote <BR> and you just had to remember the handful of elements in the latter set
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  42. # [01:38] <gsnedders> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
  43. # [01:38] <gsnedders> takkaria: I can verify it is 2009 in Scotland :)
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  45. # [01:45] * gsnedders looks from side to side of his monitor
  46. # [01:46] <gsnedders> On one side, takkaria wishing happy new year; on the other, takkaria wishing no-one a happy new year.
  47. # [01:46] * gsnedders can't cope with this contradiction and his to make it known publicly ;p
  48. # [02:06] <Philip`> Hooray for popup EULAs, that are shown only once to each user (using the Windows registry to remember if it's been shown), on a program that I want to run as the SYSTEM user via a Windows service, which is user you cannot log in as while using an interactive terminal
  49. # [02:06] <Philip`> and therefore it's impossible to accept the EULA
  50. # [02:07] <jcranmer> just modify the registry
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  52. # [02:08] <Philip`> That's what I'll do once I work out where the SYSTEM user's registry entries are
  53. # [02:09] <Philip`> It must be one of the S-1-50-{...} things, but I have no idea which :-/
  54. # [02:09] <Philip`> s/0//
  55. # [02:11] <Philip`> Ah, right, it's S-1-5-18
  56. # [02:11] <Philip`> How obvious
  57. # [02:11] <gsnedders> Duh.
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  60. # [02:19] <Philip`> Also: the inability to copy-and-paste passwords into the Windows login prompt via rdesktop is annoying, because I didn't discover that until after I'd set a rather long password :-(
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  102. # [09:46] <heycam> Hixie, regarding changing all instances of DOMObject to any, HTMLCanvasElement::getContext seems like one that should still be an object
  103. # [09:46] <heycam> i don't see how that could ever usefully return a non-object value
  104. # [09:47] <heycam> also, i'd suggest just using Object rather than DOMObject... there doesn't seem to be any advantage to using a typedef named DOMObject
  105. # [09:49] <Hixie> well it's also not ever going to return a Node...
  106. # [09:50] <Hixie> so limiting it to just Objects seems a bit arbitrary almost
  107. # [09:52] <heycam> some language bindings may have to handle "any" values differently from Object
  108. # [09:53] <heycam> for ES it's no problem, obviously
  109. # [09:53] * heycam shrugs
  110. # [09:53] <heycam> it's not that important
  111. # [09:53] <heycam> what's the deal with "attribute DOMString accept-charset;" ?
  112. # [09:54] <heycam> on HTMLFormElement
  113. # [09:54] <Hixie> typo; please send mail :-)
  114. # [09:54] <Hixie> mention the getContext() thing too, i'll change it back
  115. # [09:54] <heycam> k
  116. # [09:55] <heycam> btw, if i send mail to public-html, is it guaranteed to end up in your issues page?
  117. # [09:55] <heycam> since i sent a mail a month ago or so, and it didn't appear in that list or get replied to
  118. # [09:56] <Hixie> uri?
  119. # [09:57] <Hixie> is lists.w3.org down again?
  120. # [09:57] <heycam> apparently :/
  121. # [09:57] <heycam> http://markmail.org/message/4mtol7izork2354k
  122. # [09:58] <Hixie> oh i saw that one
  123. # [09:58] <heycam> oh, k
  124. # [09:58] <heycam> couldn't find it in the list
  125. # [09:58] <Hixie> it's in the WF2 folder
  126. # [09:59] <heycam> ah, thanks
  127. # [09:59] <heycam> be good if you could search that list, given they're not all expanded to do a ctrl+f on
  128. # [10:01] <Hixie> Philip` has a static version of it
  129. # [10:01] <Hixie> that google can search
  130. # [10:07] <Hixie> Steven Gilborn
  131. # [10:07] <Hixie> er
  132. # [10:07] <Hixie> wrong channel
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  134. # [10:18] <heycam> Hixie, what's the [XXX] on the ModalWindow interface for?
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  136. # [10:41] <Hixie> the no interface thingy, i expect
  137. # [10:42] <heycam> ok. just checking that it's not some other missing web idl feature.
  138. # [10:49] <Hixie> i have like 100 idl-related e-mails to deal with
  139. # [10:49] <Hixie> so the idl blocks are way out of date
  140. # [10:55] <heycam> righto
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  155. # [14:53] <gsnedders> Man.
  156. # [14:53] <gsnedders> Weather forecasts keep changing.
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  182. # [18:35] <hsivonen> Hixie: http://www.w3.org/People/EM/contact#me is not an NS URI :-)
  183. # [18:36] <hsivonen> Hixie: the example is saying that Eric Miller is cat Hedral
  184. # [18:36] * hsivonen wonders how the Semantic Web deals if someone asserts that someone else is a cat
  185. # [18:37] <Dashiva> They go about their business, with the added knowledge that someone is a cat
  186. # [18:39] <Philip`> You look in your FOAF social network to decide whether you should trust the person making the assertion
  187. # [18:40] <Dashiva> Trust? Why would anyone make a non-true assertion?
  188. # [18:41] <hsivonen> how does one distinguish between assertions about a person and assertions about a fragment in the person's file?
  189. # [18:41] <hsivonen> s/file/resource representation/
  190. # [18:41] <webben> Shouldn't you chaps just accept the fact that Eric Miller is a cat?
  191. # [18:41] <hsivonen> s/person's/person's FOAF/
  192. # [18:41] <Dashiva> webben: That's what I'm saying
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  194. # [18:46] <gsnedders> Anyone here from around Edinburgh?
  195. # [18:46] <gsnedders> Or, more relevantly, in Edinburgh on Saturday?
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  198. # [19:35] * karlcow recommends the channels #swig to hsivonen
  199. # [19:36] <karlcow> asserting that a thing is another thing is not an issue. It all depends on the context. And yes lies are already part of human languages mechanisms for ages. And that is fine.
  200. # [19:37] <karlcow> and useful in some circumstances.
  201. # [19:38] <hsivonen> karlcow: the example in the spec should probably not use a URI claimed by a W3C staff member, though.
  202. # [19:50] * Philip` gets confused for moments, and wonders why the Simplified Wrapper and Interface Generator's IRC channel would be relevant
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  249. # [23:18] <hsivonen> http://www.zeldman.com/2009/01/01/an-event-apart-redesigned/
  250. # [23:19] <Dashiva> "Eric chose HTML 5 because it permits any element to be an HREF"
  251. # [23:20] <Dashiva> Did I miss that?
  252. # [23:20] <hsivonen> perhaps I should redesign my site. The style sheet dates from the Netscape 4 days
  253. # [23:25] <Hixie> sure wish people would tell me when we made decisions like that
  254. # [23:25] <Hixie> :-P
  255. # [23:26] <Dashiva> Maybe you did it in your sleep
  256. # [23:27] <Hixie> i went to sleep because comcast went out
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  258. # [23:27] <Hixie> and woke up when my ping -a started beeping
  259. # [23:27] <Hixie> so seems unlikely!
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  263. # [23:43] <Philip`> Perhaps he meant "it permits any element to be in an A HREF", which sounds more plausible?
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  267. # [23:56] <jcranmer> "And we're expecting regular authors to usethis stuff? Sheesh." :-)
  268. # [23:57] <gsnedders> I think the real issue is Hixie isn't as good as most regular authors.
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  270. # [23:57] <jcranmer> seeing gsnedders talk makes me feel old
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  272. # [23:58] <gsnedders> jcranmer: Why? :\
  273. # [23:58] <jcranmer> gsnedders: you're younger than I
  274. # [23:58] <gsnedders> jcranmer: And that's all it takes!?
  275. # [23:58] <jcranmer> I don't expect to see people younger than I doing serious work on specs
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  277. # [23:58] <jcranmer> not when I'm only a freshman in college...
  278. # [23:59] <gsnedders> :P
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  280. # Session Close: Fri Jan 02 00:00:00 2009

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