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  12. # [00:15] <Philip`> http://www.aneventapart.com/contact/ - a sadly missed opportunity for <input type="email">
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  21. # [00:36] <gsnedders> jcranmer: Well, Aaron Swartz beat me
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  37. # [02:03] <heycam> is the lack of an applicationCache attribute on the Window interface deliberate?
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  44. # [02:33] <Hixie> heycam: have i still not added that? crap. mail me? please? :-)
  45. # [02:37] <heycam> mailed :)
  46. # [02:41] <Hixie> thanks
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  65. # [05:54] <heycam> Hixie, :%s/an master entry/a master entry/g
  66. # [05:55] <heycam> s/most be alone on the line/must be alone on the line/ -- in the sample manifest file
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  210. # [11:22] <jgraham> Hixie: In the "Internal Algorithm for Scanning and Assigning Header Cells", should "If there is no cell in the opaque headers list ... let blocked be True" read "If there are one or more cells in the opaque headers list ... let blocked be True"
  211. # [11:22] <jgraham> since it seems like the opaque headers list is a list of headers that can prevent the current header from applying
  212. # [11:22] <jgraham> But I might be misreading something
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  217. # [11:32] <Hixie> jgraham: i'm like asleep right now but mail me if you want me to look into it (or if you are implementing it and one is obviously the right answer, let me know)
  218. # [11:40] <gsnedders> Replies from Cambridge sent out today.
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  220. # [11:44] <jgraham> Hixie: I am implementing it but not right at the moment (I guess I will do some work on it this evening). And you shouldn't let me stop you from sleeping :)
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  223. # [11:44] <jgraham> gsnedders: By post?
  224. # [11:44] <gsnedders> jgraham: Of course.
  225. # [11:45] <gsnedders> jgraham: And if it's an offer, and not just being dumped into the pool, the UCAS website should be updated sometime
  226. # [11:45] <jgraham> Today?
  227. # [11:45] <jgraham> Otherwise I guess Monday is the most likely
  228. # [11:45] <gsnedders> The UCAS website? Whenever they feel like updating it, seemingly.
  229. # [11:45] * hsivonen is reading an Analyst report about the Semantic Web Industry
  230. # [11:46] <gsnedders> I've had the website updated after letters arriving before.
  231. # [11:46] * jgraham notes that UCAS are still better thean the Cambridge Board of Graduate Studies
  232. # [11:47] <gsnedders> heh
  233. # [11:47] <gsnedders> UCAS _are_ open today, at least.
  234. # [11:47] <Philip`> UCAS should have a pushed-based mechanism rather than requiring you to poll the web site
  235. # [11:47] <jgraham> They sent me a letter after I had been doing my PhD for a year telling me who my supervisor was
  236. # [11:47] <jgraham> Philip`: Like email?
  237. # [11:47] <Philip`> In particular, they should send MSN Messenger IMs, because that would work for most of their audience
  238. # [11:47] <gsnedders> Philip`: They say in all the literature that they will email you.
  239. # [11:47] <gsnedders> Philip`: I realized that it was opt-in yesterday.
  240. # [11:47] <Philip`> jgraham: Email is for old people
  241. # [11:48] <gsnedders> and geeks.
  242. # [11:48] <gsnedders> Sorry, s/geeks/clever people/
  243. # [11:48] <jgraham> Philip`: IRC? You get to see everyone else's offers too...
  244. # [11:49] <jgraham> s/get/would get/
  245. # [11:49] <Philip`> I suppose text messages would be a more practical option, because then it'd work even when people weren't at a computer
  246. # [11:51] <jgraham> cmbrdg syz u sux
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  248. # [12:15] <Hixie> jgraham: oh i'm not _actually_ asleep, just _like_ asleep
  249. # [12:15] <Hixie> brain not converting symbols into meaning fast enough to read specs
  250. # [12:17] <hsivonen> Is there anything in any draft of CSS that defines block rotations by 90 degrees in a way that *does* affect how other boxes flow?
  251. # [12:18] <zcorpan> 1154,243,1397,159,Wed Dec 31 20:06:31 2008,478
  252. # [12:18] <zcorpan> Hixie: you went below 1400, congrats!
  253. # [12:18] <Hixie> :-)
  254. # [12:18] <zcorpan> or i mean, well done :)
  255. # [12:23] <hsivonen> Hixie: It seems to me that preventing SVG <script> from doing document.write() the same way as HTML <script> requires special casing whereas treating them alike wouldn't.
  256. # [12:25] <hsivonen> the issue graph indeed looks good.
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  258. # [12:29] <Hixie> hsivonen: it actually requires less special-casing for me
  259. # [12:29] <Hixie> hsivonen: since i'd have to add text to make <svg:script> do something
  260. # [12:30] <hsivonen> Hixie: I meant in Gecko.
  261. # [12:30] <Hixie> hsivonen: i could be convinced to make document.write() work in <svg:script> if we _really_ wanted to, though i'd still be against doing it in any onload handlers. But it seems like the SVGWG would not want that, since it goes against their stated goals.
  262. # [12:30] <Hixie> maybe heycam can comment?
  263. # [12:31] <hsivonen> Hixie: I want the onload handlers to go away
  264. # [12:31] <Hixie> yeah well
  265. # [12:31] <Hixie> me too
  266. # [12:35] <zcorpan> hsivonen: how is the html5 parser in gecko project going?
  267. # [12:36] <hsivonen> zcorpan: no action over holidays. I intend to put it into a hg repo after I catch up with email.
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  270. # [12:39] <hsivonen> zcorpan: a Mercurial version control repository
  271. # [12:39] <zcorpan> ok
  272. # [12:40] <jgraham> hsivonen: Does it build other than on Mac?
  273. # [12:41] <hsivonen> jgraham: I don't know. I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't build elsewhere, but I have not tried.
  274. # [12:48] <zcorpan> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aneventapart.com%2F&debug=1
  275. # [12:51] <Philip`> http://www.zeldman.com/2009/01/01/an-event-apart-redesigned/#comment-40498 - "HTML5 was originally picked in order to be able to wrap anchor elements around things like paragraphs. I ended up having to drop that due to rendering bugs in several browsers, mostly Firefox and its cousins"
  276. # [12:51] <zcorpan> yeah i just noticed he used spans
  277. # [12:53] <zcorpan> "* The unclosed link elements on the home page ..." hmm
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  280. # [13:06] <gsnedders> Time to make more use of gsnedders.html5.org
  281. # [13:07] <Dashiva> Is lastweek just turning into bad-news-for-html5-planet?
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  285. # [13:11] <Dashiva> Nice one: "It could of course be the RDFa curie is worse than the disease."
  286. # [13:13] <Hixie> yeah it's hard to say that last week is trolling us when he keeps posting examples of me not doing anything controversial or bad :-)
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  288. # [13:16] <gsnedders> Advantage of using git-svn for html5: blame runs at a sane speed:)
  289. # [13:16] <gsnedders> (Of course, I already know _who_ to blame, I just need to know when to blame him :))
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  292. # [13:23] <jgraham> last week has really gone from a fun, scatological blog troll to something indistinguishable from any lame redditor with an axe to grind over HTML5
  293. # [13:24] <Hixie> it's not even clear to me that he's even grinding an axe anymore
  294. # [13:24] <Hixie> look at the last two or three posts -- they're all pretty positive
  295. # [13:24] <gsnedders> Has anyone had a change of behaviour on the lists recently?
  296. # [13:26] <Dashiva> The old boss and the new boss? :)
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  302. # [13:52] <gsnedders> Yeah, when I look at the right commit
  303. # [13:52] <gsnedders> Actually, I was doing a diff from r2593 to current
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  308. # [14:26] * Set by Hixie on Thu Oct 23 14:38:15
  309. # [14:26] <gsnedders> jgraham: All suck, basically.
  310. # [14:26] <gsnedders> hsivonen: http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-wg-predictions-for-2009-number-1.html
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  313. # [14:34] <jgraham> gsnedders: Great :(
  314. # [14:34] <gsnedders> jgraham: git-svn is far better.
  315. # [14:34] <hsivonen> gsnedders: the robot meme seems popular
  316. # [14:34] <Philip`> Even better, just use SVN
  317. # [14:34] <gsnedders> SVN sucks.
  318. # [14:34] <gsnedders> I do like how I manage to have an entire copy of the repo using git-svn taking up less space than an SVN checkout.
  319. # [14:34] <gsnedders> And things like blame are sanely quick.
  320. # [14:34] <jgraham> Philip`: SVN doesn't deal with the "I want to make version controlled local changes to a bunch of files that are also under remote version control" use case, does it?
  321. # [14:34] <gsnedders> jgraham: No, it doesn't.
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  339. # [17:57] * gsnedders can't find a copy of the platypus prank
  340. # [17:59] <rubys1> http://intertwingly.net/blog/2003/06/11/Funky-RSS#c1055396527
  341. # [18:00] <gsnedders> ah, thx rubys1
  342. # [18:01] <rubys1> http://feedvalidator.org/testcases/rss/should/platypus.xml
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  344. # [18:19] <Dashiva> The image doesn't seem to resolve
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  346. # [18:34] <Philip`> RSS should platypus?
  347. # [18:34] <Philip`> That's a strange noun to verb
  348. # [18:37] <jcranmer> Philip`: stop trying to computer the situation
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  350. # [18:38] <rubys1> master directory for rss testcases, sub directory = shoulds (as opposed to musts), specific test case for platypus
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  356. # [20:01] * gsnedders notes it still hasn't been updated
  357. # [20:01] <gsnedders> So, either I have been shoved into the pool, or it hasn't been updated yet.
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