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  18. # [03:36] <Hixie> i don't understand why it is so hard for people to explain what rdfa is good for without actually describing rdf
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  20. # [03:47] <jcranmer> what's the difference?
  21. # [03:52] <dglazkov> one is a format, the other one is a concept
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  24. # [04:19] <Hixie> jcranmer: i don't understand why it is so hard for people to explain what rdfa is good for without actually describing rdfa either
  25. # [04:20] <Hixie> jcranmer: that is, people keep describing the solution they want, without saying what the problem they want to solve is
  26. # [04:20] <jcranmer> here's the problem RDFa solves:
  27. # [04:20] <jcranmer> there's obviously not enough RDF in the world!
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  55. # [12:37] <Hixie> "Every element in the text/html serialization has unique treatment. They can often be grouped in to like elements [...]"
  56. # [12:37] <Hixie> I don't think that word ("unique") means what he thinks it means...
  57. # [12:56] <Lachy> Hixie, who is that quote from?
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  59. # [13:24] <takkaria> RB, I believe
  60. # [13:41] <Philip`> http://girtby.net/archives/2009/01/11/they-dont-call-it-hardware-for-nothing/ is probably the first web page I've ever seen where I'd expect <aside> to be a useful element
  61. # [13:41] <Philip`> although by "useful element" I just mean "different way of spelling <div class='aside'>"
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  66. # [14:45] <Philip`> Has anyone made a tool that automatically translates IPA pronunciations into a human-readable form?
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  72. # [17:07] <webben> Philip`: I wonder if any of these notations are human-friendly: http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ssb22/gradint/lexconvert.html
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  81. # [19:29] <hsivonen> dotted borders with radius suck in both Gecko and WebKit but in different ways :-(
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  84. # [19:45] <hsivonen> wow. Windows 7 beta doesn't ship with software necessary for viewing YouTube.
  85. # [19:45] <hsivonen> Just like Linux distros.
  86. # [19:45] <hsivonen> I guess it leaves OS X as the only desktop OS that works with YouTube out-of-the-box
  87. # [19:45] <Dashiva> hsivonen: Does it have silverlight?
  88. # [19:48] <hsivonen> Dashiva: looks like it doesn't
  89. # [19:48] <hsivonen> Dashiva: or at least silverlight.net viewed in IE8 asks me to install Silverlight to better experience the site
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  97. # [20:38] <gsnedders> Recommendations for Windows email clients?
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  99. # [20:42] <Lachy> gsnedders, Thunderbird or Opera
  100. # [20:42] <Philip`> gsnedders: SSH and Pine
  101. # [20:48] <jcranmer> as a totally unbiased observer
  102. # [20:48] <jcranmer> Thunderbird
  103. # [20:48] <jcranmer> :-)
  104. # [20:48] <Dashiva> They all suck
  105. # [20:48] <jcranmer> (I develop on Mozilla's mailnews codebase)
  106. # [20:48] <Dashiva> Every client on every OS!
  107. # [20:48] <webben> Thunderbird and Mail are almost bearable.
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  109. # [20:49] * webben hasn't tried Pine or whatever that new Pine variant's called, though.
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  111. # [20:49] <jcranmer> webben: apline?
  112. # [20:49] <jcranmer> er, apline?
  113. # [20:49] <webben> that's the one
  114. # [20:49] <Philip`> Alpine? :-p
  115. # [20:49] <jcranmer> dammit
  116. # [20:49] <jcranmer> why do I keep misspelling it?
  117. # [20:49] <webben> http://www.washington.edu/alpine/
  118. # [20:49] <Dashiva> You're using to typing application!
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  120. # [20:50] * Philip` has never used any text-mode mail client, and just sticks with Thunderbird since it's easy enough to use and has a button for "reply" which is about the only one he ever needs
  121. # [20:50] <jcranmer> don't forget the N key!
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  123. # [20:51] <jcranmer> occasionally I have to mark as junk, but server-side spam filters are doing good right now
  124. # [20:52] <Dashiva> jcranmer: How about making the "not junk" button put stuff back where it was? :)
  125. # [20:52] <jcranmer> hey, I don't do UI
  126. # [20:52] <jcranmer> right now I'm mired in code so deep that trying to get the UI would require walking back through fifteen classes
  127. # [20:53] <Dashiva> I'm sure the UI has a pretty straight path into the core for that functionality
  128. # [20:53] <Philip`> jcranmer: I have no idea what the N key does, and I don't want to press it in case it's "nuke mail database" or something like that
  129. # [20:53] <jcranmer> no, it's "Next message"
  130. # [20:53] <Philip`> Oh, okay
  131. # [20:53] * jcranmer kills the person who made the G action nonreversible
  132. # [20:53] <Philip`> I just use the space bar mostly
  133. # [20:53] <Dashiva> jcranmer: Is your kill nonreversible too?
  134. # [20:54] <Lachy> jcranmer, what's the G action?
  135. # [20:54] <jcranmer> Group By sort
  136. # [20:54] <jcranmer> Dashiva: you have to hit up and then K again, generally
  137. # [20:54] <jcranmer> assuming you didn't switch to a different folder/newsgroup
  138. # [20:55] * jcranmer also uses K heavily thanks to some spam-infested newsgroups
  139. # [20:56] <Lachy> oh, that's quite useful. I need to use that more often
  140. # [20:56] <Lachy> (I'm referring to 'G')
  141. # [20:56] <Lachy> is K delete?
  142. # [20:56] <jcranmer> kill thread
  143. # [20:56] <jcranmer> delete is <Del>, of course
  144. # [20:57] * Lachy tries that on some threads in my junk folder
  145. # [20:57] <jcranmer> it only works in newsgroups, unfortunately
  146. # [20:57] <jcranmer> the K key
  147. # [20:57] <Lachy> oh
  148. # [20:57] <Lachy> that's why it did nothing
  149. # [20:58] <jcranmer> kill thread actually just ignores it so it doesn't generally appear in UI
  150. # [20:58] <hsivonen> Wow. U. of Washingon itself fixed the license finally
  151. # [20:58] <jcranmer> there's no way to delete newsgroup messages from the local db since <Del> is remapped to Cancel instead of Delete ...
  152. # [20:58] <jcranmer> (as well as other UI for `Delete')
  153. # [21:01] <Philip`> Is it just me, or does Opera render any text typed into the search box on http://www.notebookreview.com/ entirely invisibly?
  154. # [21:02] <Dashiva> http://www.isitjustmeordoesoperarenderanytexttypedintothesearchboxinvisible.com/notebookreview.com/
  155. # [21:03] <Dashiva> No, it seems the box doesn't take focus at all
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  158. # [21:04] <Lachy> Philip`, file a bug about that
  159. # [21:04] <Philip`> I can type into the box and press enter to search for what I typed
  160. # [21:05] <Philip`> I just can't see anything in the box
  161. # [21:05] <Philip`> Lachy: I'm too lazy to do that today, so it'll have to wait until later
  162. # [21:06] <Lachy> ok. I'll file a bug tomorrow morning
  163. # [21:06] <Lachy> I could do it now, but I'm too tired
  164. # [21:07] <Philip`> Thanks, I was hoping you'd say something like that ;-)
  165. # [21:07] <Lachy> that party I went to last night was fun, but exhausting. I've done almost nothing but sleep today
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  170. # [21:51] <csarven> If <aside> is to say "sidebar", then would <section> be to distinct components in that sidebar? e.g., <aside><section>Related content ..</section> <section>Tagcloud ..</section></aside>
  171. # [21:51] <Lachy> csarven, you could do that if you wanted
  172. # [21:52] <csarven> Thanks.
  173. # [21:53] <csarven> I'm actually using class="aside" and class="section" *for now* but still wanted to keep the same meaning and pattern.
  174. # [22:01] <Lachy> I'm playing with the Windows 7 public beta. I've noticed te task bar is becoming a lot closer in functionality to the OS X Dock
  175. # [22:02] <Lachy> and, AFAICT, they've dropped the Glass theme from Vista entirely
  176. # [22:03] <sid0> er, no, they haven't
  177. # [22:03] <sid0> you probably need a graphics driver update
  178. # [22:03] <Lachy> then I wonder why I can't see it then. I'm running the 64 bit edition in VMWare
  179. # [22:04] <sid0> "in VMWare" -- that's the reason
  180. # [22:04] <sid0> vmware isn't hardware accelerated
  181. # [22:04] <Lachy> oh
  182. # [22:04] <sid0> and the new taskbar has a lot of niceties in glass mode that aren't there with the dock
  183. # [22:06] <Lachy> ok. Maybe I'll have to install it onto a spare partition on my old PC or setup BootCamp on my iMac
  184. # [22:11] <hsivonen> the system tray icons in Windows 7 have regressed to 1980s
  185. # [22:12] <Lachy> hsivonen, LOL
  186. # [22:12] <Lachy> yeah, they are pretty bad
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