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  11. # [00:32] * heycam only just realised that the names of the CSS 2.1 appendices all begin with their appendix letter
  12. # [00:37] <Philip`> I guess that's why there's no appendix H
  13. # [00:38] <heycam> yeah, Index is a nice one to finish on
  14. # [00:38] <Hixie> there is an appendix H
  15. # [00:38] <heycam> oh
  16. # [00:38] <heycam> oops
  17. # [00:38] <heycam> i missed that...
  18. # [00:38] <Hixie> no, you didn't :-)
  19. # [00:38] <heycam> and also overlooked the fact that H is before I :)
  20. # [00:39] <heycam> H for the Hidden Appendix?
  21. # [00:39] <Hixie> almost
  22. # [00:39] <Hixie> but there actually is a page for it
  23. # [00:39] <Hixie> it's just not listed in the table of contents
  24. # [00:40] <heycam> ahaha
  25. # [00:40] <Hixie> i'm quite proud that the wg actually ended up with the joke around the appendix names
  26. # [00:40] <heycam> i see it :)
  27. # [00:40] * doublec_ is now known as doublec
  28. # [00:40] <Hixie> it was a lot easier to slide jokes into html5 :-P
  29. # [00:40] <Hixie> selectors also has joke sections, though actually in the case of selectors it was completely unintentional
  30. # [00:40] <Hixie> (look for the section after :empty)
  31. # [00:41] <Philip`> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/leftblank.html ?
  32. # [00:41] <Hixie> yup, that's H
  33. # [00:41] <heycam> i notice you can get to it from the next/previous chapter links
  34. # [00:41] <Philip`> Oh, I didn't see the next/previous links
  35. # [00:42] <Hixie> appendix E in CSS2.1, and to a less extent F, were the only ones that we had to really stretch for
  36. # [00:42] <Hixie> lesser rather
  37. # [00:42] <heycam> that section after :empty thing reminds me of the discussion about the hebrew numbering system on www-style recently
  38. # [00:42] <Hixie> heh
  39. # [00:42] <Hixie> you wouldn't believe the number of private e-mails i've gotten about that section telling me how stupid i am for leaving it blank
  40. # [00:43] <heycam> heh really
  41. # [00:43] <Hixie> but actually it was just a coincidence -- we wanted to remove that section (it defined :contains(), which we removed in CR) and we didn't want to renumber things
  42. # [00:44] <Lachy> Hixie, wasn't that section 6.6.6 in Selectors, not Appenix H in CSS21?
  43. # [00:45] <Hixie> yes, that's what i'm talking about
  44. # [00:45] <Hixie> i was responding to heycam
  45. # [00:45] <Lachy> oh, I didn't see a mention of selectors spec. Now I see he mentioned :empty
  46. # [00:45] <Hixie> so is anyone in the same country as jgraham
  47. # [00:47] <Philip`> I'm not aware of any countries with a population of 1, so almost certainly there is someone
  48. # [00:47] <Lachy> he's in Sweden. There's probalby some people from Opera's swedish office hanging around in here
  49. # [00:47] <Lachy> though zcorpan isn't here
  50. # [00:48] <Hixie> Philip`: i meant anyone here :-P
  51. # [00:49] <Lachy> Hixie, why do you need someone from the same country?
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  53. # [00:49] <Hixie> so they can go and see if he's awake
  54. # [00:50] <Philip`> "This expression has type 'a * 'b * 'c * int * int but is here used with type ((int * int * int * int) * node * 'd) * int * int * int * int * ((int * int * int * int) * ((int * int * int * int) * node * 'd) * 'e) list"
  55. # [00:50] <Philip`> OCaml is great
  56. # [00:51] <jwalden> Hindley-Milner really is pretty cool, until you screw it up
  57. # [00:51] <Philip`> Oh, I forgot to add one function argument
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  59. # [00:52] <Lachy> oh, so you'd want someone who also knows where he lives and is willing to go out in the cold snow, go over to his place and knock on his door. That reduces the number of candidates significantly
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  61. # [00:53] <Hixie> Lachy: actually i'm not sure it really does, of the people in this channel :-)
  62. # [00:53] <Lachy> well, if it goes from 0 down to 0, then that's no change I guess
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  64. # [00:59] <ojan> Hixie: ping
  65. # [00:59] <Hixie> hey
  66. # [01:00] <ojan> why did you spec execCommand("InsertHTML") to not fire mutation events?
  67. # [01:00] <ojan> is taht just what FF does?
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  70. # [01:07] <ojan> just curious :)
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  72. # [01:11] <Lachy> it's nice when people present problems for which we already have solutions in HTML5 :-) http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2009/02/12/selector-blocks/
  73. # [01:11] <Lachy> scoped stylesheets should work nicely for that use case
  74. # [01:14] <Hixie> ojan: the mutation events stuff is all up in the ir
  75. # [01:14] <Hixie> air
  76. # [01:14] <Hixie> ojan: i don't think it matches firefox
  77. # [01:14] <Hixie> ojan: i'm waiting for the dom events spec to mature before looking at them again
  78. # [01:16] <ojan> Hixie: got it.
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  80. # [01:24] <jruderman> scoped stylesheets are coming? sweet
  81. # [01:25] <jruderman> i've been wanting that for blog posts
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  86. # [01:35] <Philip`> Hixie: Am I being stupid in thinking that the logic for opaque headers seems to be the wrong way around?
  87. # [01:35] <Hixie> ?
  88. # [01:36] <Philip`> If I have a table like <tr><th>A<tr><td>B and look at cell B and do the internal algorithm for scanning and assigning header cells, then in the first iteration at step 9.4 the opaque headers list will be empty ...
  89. # [01:36] <Philip`> which means that "there is no cell in the opaque headers list anchored with the same (stuff)"
  90. # [01:36] <Philip`> which means blocked is set to true
  91. # [01:37] <Philip`> which means the cell (A) isn't added to the headers list
  92. # [01:37] <Hixie> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6438 ?
  93. # [01:38] <Philip`> Oh
  94. # [01:38] <Philip`> Yes
  95. # [01:38] <Philip`> I agree with that bug report :-)
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  97. # [01:56] * Hixie wonders what to do about his not having a working anolis anymore
  98. # [01:58] <heycam> svn up -rPREV?
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  100. # [02:02] <Hixie> i don't have the code myself
  101. # [02:02] <Hixie> it's on pimpmyspect.net
  102. # [02:02] <Hixie> pimpmyspec.net
  103. # [02:02] <heycam> pimp my spectacles, elton john style
  104. # [02:03] <Dashiva> Pimp my spec still doesn't add bling
  105. # [02:09] <Hixie> jgraham: disregard my earlier whining. the three regressions i see on pimpmyspec.net (after fixing it to use the new urls etc) are:
  106. # [02:09] <Hixie> jgraham: 1. it's slower
  107. # [02:09] <Hixie> jgraham: 2. it doesn't omit as many start tags (see the diff i just committed)
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  109. # [02:10] <Hixie> jgraham: 3. it doesn't use entity references for characters outside of ascii (i don't trust all the servers involved to do utf-8 correctly)
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  112. # [02:18] <Hixie> jeez windows sucks
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  209. # [09:35] <zcorpan> the xhtml media types note has " <script>//<![CDATA[" in an example which is invalid xhtml 1.x
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  212. # [10:02] <jgraham> Hixie: So, I am here now
  213. # [10:02] * jgraham is still waiting for the internet fairies to visit his flat
  214. # [10:07] <jgraham> The repo for pms.net is http://hg.hoppipolla.co.uk/hgwebdir.cgi/aquarium/ although that has almost no history for reasons best explained as incompetance
  215. # [10:24] * olliej_ is now known as olliej
  216. # [10:25] <zcorpan> hey it's friday 13th today
  217. # [10:26] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0032.html
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  222. # [10:30] <yecril71> krijnh! Would it be much trouble to turn the channel in the log path to a hyperlink?
  223. # [10:31] <yecril71> I think the METER element would be appropriate for specifying price.
  224. # [10:31] <yecril71> And INPUT[type=currency], where appropriate.
  225. # [10:32] <hsivonen> yecril71: in practice, people don't use a widget for price. <meter> is the gauge widget.
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  227. # [10:35] <annevk5> Hixie, any particular reason why C in filename had to be lowercase?
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  229. # [10:38] <fearphage> annevk5: may i pm you an opera-centric question?
  230. # [10:38] <annevk5> i suppose
  231. # [10:39] <fearphage> don't be so enthusiastic next time :)
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  239. # [11:09] <jgraham> Hixie: OK the ascii thing is fixed. It is now another option :(
  240. # [11:09] * jgraham hates options
  241. # [11:10] <jgraham> I don't know why it should omit fewer start tags
  242. # [11:11] <jgraham> It does seem a bit slow
  243. # [11:12] <jgraham> annevk5: Do you have the old anolis.py from quuz.org somewhere? I could compare notes with that
  244. # [11:12] <annevk5> http://anolis.quuz.org/source is still there
  245. # [11:13] <annevk5> comparing notes with code I write is not recommended though
  246. # [11:14] <jgraham> annevk5: More to see which options were being passed and whether it is really slower
  247. # [11:15] <annevk5> fearphage, I'm generally wary of people asking to ask questions ;)
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  249. # [11:26] <krijnh> yecril71: what do you mean?
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  252. # [11:34] <jgraham> gsnedders: I assume you are not around
  253. # [11:36] <fearphage> annevk5: people seemed to get offended by people pm'ing them freely at times
  254. # [11:38] <jgraham> fearphage: Usually the best solution is to just ask
  255. # [11:38] <jgraham> "beg forgiveness not permission"
  256. # [11:39] <jgraham> Also there are a number of people here who might be able to help with something Opera related (or s/Opera/$Browser/) so it seems a bit unfair to pick on annevk5
  257. # [11:44] <fearphage> never thought of it that way
  258. # [11:44] <virtuelv> instead of asking to ask a question, I'd say "just ask it"
  259. # [11:45] <virtuelv> fearphage: there is also an #opera channel on freenode, I just discovered
  260. # [11:48] <yecril71> Krijnh! The log page header contains the path to the log.
  261. # [11:48] <krijnh> Yes
  262. # [11:49] <yecril71> It would be awesome if the channel component were a hyperlink.
  263. # [11:49] <krijnh> Where to?
  264. # [11:49] <yecril71> Just at the main page.
  265. # [11:49] <yecril71> Just as at the main page.
  266. # [11:49] <yecril71> To IRC.
  267. # [11:49] <krijnh> /irc-logs/ has that link already ?
  268. # [11:49] <annevk5> you mean on individual archive pages?
  269. # [11:50] <annevk5> you're not being very clear
  270. # [11:50] <yecril71> The channel names on the main page are hyperlinked.
  271. # [11:50] <yecril71> Whereas in log pages they are not.
  272. # [11:51] <yecril71> I hope you would not have to pay Amazon for that :-)
  273. # [11:52] <yecril71> My remark about METER and price was triggered by a request for a PRICE element.
  274. # [11:56] <Lachy> krijnh, if you're going to update the IRC logs, then please add the links to the next and previous days in the logs
  275. # [11:58] * Philip` is usually happy with just editing the URL to switch dates
  276. # [12:02] <Lachy> Philip`, that takes too long
  277. # [12:03] <Philip`> Lachy: It takes much less time than reading the page
  278. # [12:04] <Philip`> and if you're skipping past lots of pages without reading them, changing the URL is quicker than clicking next/previous lots of times
  279. # [12:06] <Lachy> Philip`, the use case I'm trying to address is where the transition from one day to the next occurs in the middle of a conversation, splitting it in half
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  281. # [12:07] <Philip`> Lachy: Ah, okay
  282. # [12:16] <jgraham> Hixie: I think something like http://tinyurl.com/b8zs92 is roughly what PimpMySpec used to do for html5
  283. # [12:17] <jgraham> I guess I should run a diff against something to be sure but I don't quite know what
  284. # [12:18] <krijnh> Lachy: yeah, and Ben's styling too
  285. # [12:18] <krijnh> yecril71: done
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  287. # [12:19] <yecril71> Thx :-)
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  296. # [13:06] <hsivonen> Does rubys have a license for his SVG icons somewhere?
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  298. # [13:22] * jgraham doesn't hold out too much hope for other people writing table tests
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  303. # [13:39] <Philip`> jgraham: Yesterday I was kind of attempting to write an independent implementation of the table stuff, so its output could be compared to yours
  304. # [13:40] <Philip`> and I could probably mostly finish that today
  305. # [13:42] <jgraham> Philip`: Cool. You can now have an entirely trivial set of testcases that cover almost nothing useful
  306. # [13:45] <Philip`> jgraham: The test case format is not entirely helpful to me, since it uses HTML and I don't have an HTML parser easily available
  307. # [13:45] <Philip`> I suppose I don't actually have an XML parser or any kind of parser at all, but I presume I could find an XML library fairly easily...
  308. # [13:45] <Philip`> (Also using HTML is bad because you can't test <tr> outside of <tbody>)
  309. # [13:50] <jgraham> Philip`: My assumption is that you have already parsed the table in accord with the table model in the spec
  310. # [13:50] <jgraham> s/have/have a way to/
  311. # [13:51] <Philip`> jgraham: I violate your assumption :-)
  312. # [13:51] <jgraham> Philip`: This is too often the case
  313. # [13:52] <Philip`> but I could write a script to parse the test format into something I can understand, so that's not really a problem
  314. # [13:52] <Philip`> but the inability to test <tr> outside <tbody> seems like a real problem, because it makes some of the spec untestable
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  316. # [13:53] <jgraham> Philip`: My second assumption was that it would not be so hard to do that
  317. # [14:01] <Philip`> jgraham: Would it be good for the tests to all include the expected slot assignments, rather than simply the headers?
  318. # [14:01] <Philip`> since all that stuff is kind of mixed up together, so maybe it's sensible to test all of it
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  322. # [14:06] <jgraham> Philip`: My goal was to make it as trivial as possible to write the tests. If you can think of a way to do it whereby both things get tested for little increase in complexity, I'm very much open to it
  323. # [14:07] <Philip`> jgraham: I suppose that's an issue
  324. # [14:08] <zcorpan> have two formats, one html and one xml, where the xml one is used for the no-tbody tests
  325. # [14:09] * Philip` might just try generating a load of random test cases and comparing the output from implementations, rather than doing any actual work and writing tests by hand
  326. # [14:09] <zcorpan> (and flag the xml with e.g. "#input xml")
  327. # [14:17] <Philip`> (XML is also needed for testing that non-table elements get skipped properly, I guess)
  328. # [14:17] <Philip`> (Though all this is presumably only relevant for the slot-assignment tests, not the header-assignment tests)
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  333. # [14:43] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0010.html
  334. # [14:44] <annevk42> he's looking for "mu" but if you're working on XHTML2 it seems pretty tough to reach markup enlightenment
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  336. # [14:56] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0000.html - wonder why lang is not more attractive than xml:lang if the desire is to have just one of them in the end
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  342. # [15:30] <annevk42> http://coolepochcountdown.com/
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  345. # [15:41] <krijnh> Zeker een coole poch countdown :)
  346. # [15:45] <Dashiva> It's such a ripoff of 12:34:56 on 7/8-90
  347. # [15:47] <Lachy> JohnResig, yt?
  348. # [15:48] <Lachy> JohnResig, webkit is still failing 1 test: "FAIL Inside Element: :target selector". There must be a rounding error in your script that calculates 2162 out of 2163 as 100%
  349. # [15:49] <JohnResig> Lachy: you have to access it directly
  350. # [15:49] <JohnResig> http://ejohn.org/apps/selectortest/#
  351. # [15:49] <JohnResig> oops
  352. # [15:49] <JohnResig> http://ejohn.org/apps/selectortest/
  353. # [15:49] <JohnResig> Lachy: just hitting reload on it is not sufficient
  354. # [15:50] <Lachy> oh, why?
  355. # [15:52] <JohnResig> Lachy: *shrug*
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  358. # [16:07] <hsivonen> now I've filled 45 min with boring history and design principles
  359. # [16:07] <hsivonen> now I need to figure out a nicer way to use the other 45 min to talk about new features
  360. # [16:07] <hsivonen> just enumerating them is boring
  361. # [16:08] <hsivonen> and demos are always a risk when presenting
  362. # [16:08] <jgraham> OTOH demos are kind of fun
  363. # [16:08] <jgraham> You could prerecord the demos using some screengrab software
  364. # [16:08] <Dashiva> Nothing says bleeding edge like a non-working demo
  365. # [16:09] <hsivonen> do we have a wiki repo of links to demos so that I don't need to write them?
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  367. # [16:09] <jgraham> where by "screengrab" I mean "one of those things for recording your screen to video"
  368. # [16:09] <hsivonen> should I just use Hixie's demos?
  369. # [16:10] <annevk42> oh fun, more namespace confusion; I should hang out more often in the Oslo office
  370. # [16:11] <annevk42> Core developer just came asking about a certain testcase that tested that namespaced attributes were not considered the same as attributes not in a namespace...
  371. # [16:11] <Lachy> hsivonen, I have some video demos
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  374. # [16:12] <Lachy> hsivonen, http://lachy.id.au/dev/markup/examples/video/
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  380. # [16:44] <hsivonen> Lachy: thanks
  381. # [16:45] <hsivonen> Lachy: your links to Ogg claim to be links to MPEG-4
  382. # [16:47] <Lachy> really? I thought I had fixed that bug before
  383. # [16:47] <Lachy> d'oh. Either I forgot to upload the changes, or I never fixed it
  384. # [16:48] <Lachy> I will fix it later when I get home
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  387. # [16:54] <Lachy> wtf? PTW is complaining about the spec being published and not knowing about it, but I distinctly remember it being discussed weeks ago
  388. # [16:54] <Lachy> besides, it's just another WD. We shouldn't need to go through too much bureaucracy each time they're published
  389. # [16:54] <annevk42> somebody else's problem :)
  390. # [16:55] <Lachy> indeed.
  391. # [16:55] * Lachy errects a Somebody Else's Problem field around it and makes it disappear.
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  401. # [17:44] <Philip`> jgraham: Is http://james.html5.org/tables/table_inspector.html meant to die with an AttributeError on input like <table><tr><th scope="row">A</table> ?
  402. # [17:50] <jgraham> Philip`: Yes.
  403. # [17:50] <jgraham> No wait, I mean no.
  404. # [17:50] <jgraham> :-p
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  406. # [17:54] <jgraham> Philip`: Fixed?
  407. # [17:56] <Philip`> jgraham: It appears so
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  409. # [18:00] <Philip`> The HTML5 spec doesn't seem to define algorithms in a way that perfectly matches functional programming languages :-(
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  412. # [18:06] <Philip`> Hmm, the algorithm for processing rows says "To establish which header cells apply to the current cell element, use the algorithm for assigning header cells described in the next section" which sounds to me like you should run that algorithm immediately to find the headers
  413. # [18:06] <Philip`> but that algorithms needs to check if the current cell is part of a row group
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  415. # [18:07] <Philip`> and row groups are only computed after the algorithm for processing rows has completed
  416. # [18:08] * Philip` wonders if jgraham avoids that problem by processing the whole table before looking for any headers
  417. # [18:14] <Philip`> (...or if I'm just misreading the spec)
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  422. # [18:25] <virtuelv> hm
  423. # [18:26] <virtuelv> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
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  425. # [18:39] <Philip`> That blog post breaks in Opera :-(
  426. # [18:42] <wilhelm> Philip`: How? WFM in the O10 alpha.
  427. # [18:43] <Philip`> wilhelm: Unclosed <code> makes the rest of the page code-coloured, in 9.63
  428. # [18:43] <wilhelm> Ah, didn't see that.
  429. # [18:44] <wilhelm> Still broken.
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  432. # [18:58] <gsnedders> jgraham: You assumed correctly. I was in another city.
  433. # [18:59] <gsnedders> jgraham: For patch the second, change "lxml" to "lxml.html" or some such string. Need to cope with both HTML and XML parsers in lxml
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  435. # [19:00] <gsnedders> jgraham: Equally, I assume you are not here now.
  436. # [19:02] * gsnedders only looked for two seconds so he hasn't looked very closely
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  438. # [19:04] <Hixie> uh oh
  439. # [19:05] <Hixie> pms changed again
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  441. # [19:05] <Hixie> uh
  442. # [19:05] <Hixie> it's returning nothing
  443. # [19:05] <Hixie> that seems bad
  444. # [19:06] <jgraham> Hixie: Fuck. Sorry.
  445. # [19:06] <jgraham> I need to go though
  446. # [19:06] <Hixie> heh
  447. # [19:06] <Hixie> no worries
  448. # [19:06] <jgraham> Try quuz.org or whatever annevk42's site is
  449. # [19:06] <jgraham> I will fix it tommorrow
  450. # [19:06] <Hixie> k
  451. # [19:07] <jgraham> Hixie: It rturns something for me btw
  452. # [19:08] <Hixie> i'll poke at it
  453. # [19:08] <Hixie> no worries
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  455. # [19:08] <gsnedders> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ — is that meant to happen?
  456. # [19:08] <gsnedders> :P
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  458. # [19:08] <Hixie> that's the error it now returns
  459. # [19:09] <gsnedders> jgraham is awesome.
  460. # [19:09] <jgraham> gsnedders: :-p
  461. # [19:09] <Hixie> i don't understand the error log though
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  463. # [19:10] <jgraham> gsnedders: BTW, if you want to email me about the patch for whatever reason it is easier to use my email address @hoppipolla
  464. # [19:11] <jgraham> (over the weekend)
  465. # [19:11] <gsnedders> Hixie: Re: r2812, is the violation of ECMAScript a result of following UTS22?
  466. # [19:12] <Hixie> no, unrelated changes
  467. # [19:12] <gsnedders> Hixie: That was unclear from the commit message
  468. # [19:13] <gsnedders> Esp. the use of the word "Trade"
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  470. # [19:13] <Hixie> gsnedders: yeah
  471. # [19:13] <Hixie> i know
  472. # [19:13] * gsnedders slaps Hixie
  473. # [19:13] <Hixie> i was having issues with anolis at the time
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  475. # [19:13] <Hixie> still am :-)
  476. # [19:13] <Hixie> can you explain what that message meas?
  477. # [19:13] <gsnedders> Hixie: No, you were having with jgraham's web service, not Anolis :)
  478. # [19:14] <jgraham> Hixie: Does http://pimpmyspec.net/aquarium.py/output?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatwg.org%2Fspecs%2Fweb-apps%2Fcurrent-work%2Fsource&process_toc=on&process_xref=on&process_sub=on&newline_char=LF&tab_char=SPACE&min_depth=2&max_depth=6&w3c_compat_xref_a_placement=on&parser=lxml&serializer=html5lib&inject_meta_charset=on&omit_optional_tags=on&use_best_quote_char=on&encoding=utf-8 work for you? Then does it still work if you use the whatwg version of the sou
  479. # [19:15] <gsnedders> jgraham: Did we really have so many W3C compat options on by default before?
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  481. # [19:15] <jgraham> gsnedders: I took the defaults from the command line version defaults, I thought
  482. # [19:15] <gsnedders> By default they are all off
  483. # [19:15] <jgraham> They are not what HTML 5 was using
  484. # [19:15] <gsnedders> HTML 5 only uses "W3C compatible cross-reference anchor placement"
  485. # [19:15] <jgraham> Oh well maybe I am an idiot then
  486. # [19:16] <jgraham> Or the js messes something up
  487. # [19:16] <jgraham> Which is still my fault
  488. # [19:16] <annevk42> for everyone in Europe, it's sort of time to go out right now :)
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  490. # [19:16] <annevk42> or at least get food and prepare
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  492. # [19:17] * jgraham wonders what annevk42 is preparing for
  493. # [19:17] <jgraham> Vogons?
  494. # [19:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: Also, you probably want to hide all the html5lib serialization options when the serializer is not html5lib
  495. # [19:17] <Hixie> jgraham: those options seem to work. i'll figure out how to get the usual ones to work.
  496. # [19:18] <jgraham> gsnedders: They were all disabled before but my code didn't like the change to a dropdown and I thought I should do some real work rather than rewrite it
  497. # [19:18] <gsnedders> jgraham: heh
  498. # [19:18] <gsnedders> jgraham: Is the code in any sort of repo?
  499. # [19:19] <jgraham> gsnedders: http://hg.hoppipolla.co.uk/hgwebdir.cgi/aquarium/
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  501. # [19:19] <jgraham> But it looks like I need to hg ci]
  502. # [19:19] <jgraham> Or move my changes from the live copy over or something
  503. # [19:19] <jgraham> which I will do tommorrow
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  505. # [19:20] <jgraham> Hixie: If you let me know exactly which options are b0rked I will try and fix in the morning
  506. # [19:20] * jgraham really is going
  507. # [19:21] <Hixie> jgraham: thanks
  508. # [19:23] * gsnedders would hack away at it this weekend if it weren't for looming coursework deadlines
  509. # [19:24] * gsnedders really ought to have started on more of the coursework earlier in the (academic) year
  510. # [19:24] <Hixie> jgraham: the problem was i wasn't including all the arguments and so you had no serialiser/parser picked out and crashed instead
  511. # [19:25] <gsnedders> http://pimpmyspec.net/aquarium.py/output?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatwg.org%2Fspecs%2Fweb-apps%2Fcurrent-work%2Fsource&w3c_compat_xref_a_placement=on&parser=lxml&serializer=html5lib&inject_meta_charset=off&omit_optional_tags=off&encoding=us-ascii
  512. # [19:25] <gsnedders> That's probably closer to what you had before
  513. # [19:27] <gsnedders> http://pimpmyspec.net/aquarium.py/output?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatwg.org%2Fspecs%2Fweb-apps%2Fcurrent-work%2Fsource&w3c_compat_xref_a_placement=on&parser=lxml&serializer=html5lib&encoding=us-ascii
  514. # [19:27] <gsnedders> That's I think what you want.
  515. # [19:27] <Hixie> i set parser to html5lib and it crashed again, weird
  516. # [19:28] * gsnedders thinks jgraham should stick to the astrophysics
  517. # [19:28] * gsnedders ducks
  518. # [19:28] <Hixie> the error log is uniquely usless
  519. # [19:32] <Hixie> oh the error log has the error in a comment
  520. # [19:32] <Hixie> much more useful
  521. # [19:32] <Hixie> UndefinedError: HTTPError() has no member named "reason"
  522. # [19:34] <Philip`> I guess it's an unreasonable error
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  525. # [19:41] <Hixie> it seems using html5lib as the parser is all that is needed to fail
  526. # [19:46] <Hixie> that, and the script doesn't handle missing parameters or bogus parameters in a helpful way at all
  527. # [19:50] <dglazkov> Hixie!!!
  528. # [19:50] <dglazkov> have a sec?
  529. # [19:52] <Hixie> sure
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  531. # [19:53] <dglazkov> so get spammed by the sysbot to update my status
  532. # [19:54] <dglazkov> I give up: I want do update my status
  533. # [19:54] <dglazkov> it's a very persistent little sysbot
  534. # [19:55] <Hixie> ?
  535. # [19:55] <Hixie> "sysbot"?
  536. # [19:55] <Hixie> status?
  537. # [19:55] <dglazkov> status in HTML WG as invited expert.
  538. # [19:55] <Hixie> ah that has nothing to do with me
  539. # [19:55] <dglazkov> excellent
  540. # [19:55] <dglazkov> who do I bug?
  541. # [19:55] <Hixie> you want DanC in #htmlwg on irc.w3.org port 6665
  542. # [19:55] <krijnh> It has got to do with Hixie though, cause he invited us all to the HTML WG party :)
  543. # [19:55] <Philip`> #html-wg
  544. # [19:56] <dglazkov> very helpful!
  545. # [19:56] <dglazkov> thanks
  546. # [19:57] <Hixie> er, what Philip` said
  547. # [19:57] <Hixie> my bad
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  553. # [20:38] <Hixie> well you gotta give the bespin guys credit
  554. # [20:38] <Hixie> they certainly got canvas to do more than i expected them to
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  556. # [20:51] <inimino> slick.
  557. # [20:54] <Philip`> Bespin guys like Lando?
  558. # [20:54] <Hixie> Lando?
  559. # [20:54] <inimino> hehe
  560. # [20:54] <inimino> Calrissian
  561. # [20:55] <inimino> Philip`: https://bespin.mozilla.com/
  562. # [20:55] * gsnedders is way too tempted to go to sleep
  563. # [20:56] <Philip`> inimino: Ah, right
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  574. # [21:30] <annevk42> Hixie, there is no "simple color" that represents 'transparent', is there?
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  588. # [22:08] <Hixie> annevk42: crap
  589. # [22:08] <Hixie> hm
  590. # [22:09] <Hixie> how did zcorpan determine that 'transparent' was actually supported?
  591. # [22:09] <Hixie> i can't think of a test case that would show this
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