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  28. # [04:42] <heycam> Hixie, in "8.2.1 Overview of the parsing model' it says that the tree construction stage is semantic analysis
  29. # [04:42] <heycam> to me that sounds more like syntactic analysis
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  31. # [04:55] <heycam> "The insertion mode is a flag that controls the primary operation of the tree construction stage." i don't think it should be called a flag, since it has more than two states.
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  39. # [06:07] <Hixie> heycam: send mail
  40. # [06:07] <Hixie> right now i'm between rdf and iframes
  41. # [06:07] <heycam> sounds fun...
  42. # [06:07] <Hixie> and the parser is far from my mind :-)
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  72. # [10:40] <yorick> scrollbars on elements with draagable='true' have an unfortunate effect :/
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  79. # [14:12] * Topic is 'WHATWG (HTML5) -- http://www.whatwg.org/ -- Logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  80. # [14:12] * Set by annevk on Thu Feb 05 13:51:18
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  83. # [14:57] <Philip`> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Feb/0092.html - "If only there were a way for Google to use their own nicely scoped vocabulary, they wouldn't [ever convince any other search engines to use the same scoped name because it'll say "google" in it, so everyone will fragment into their own namespaces and it'll be a nightmare for authors who just want a simple feature that works everywhere]"
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  94. # [16:45] * gsnedders wonders what he should do next (academic) year
  95. # [16:45] <gsnedders> Go to uni, or take a gap year…
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  98. # [17:08] <gsnedders> Anyone use Illustrator here?
  99. # [17:20] <takkaria> gsnedders: gap year
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  102. # [17:24] <gsnedders> I have an SVG image, and I need to resize the viewbox so it matches up exactly with the content
  103. # [17:25] * Philip` suggests opening it in an SVG editor, and clicking the button that makes it shrink the viewbox
  104. # [17:26] * gsnedders can't find that button in Illustrator
  105. # [17:28] * Philip` suggests opening it in another SVG editor, and clicking the button that makes it shrink the viewbox
  106. # [17:30] * gsnedders doesn't have another SVG editor
  107. # [17:30] <Philip`> http://www.inkscape.org/
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  110. # [17:48] <gsnedders> \includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{Lens1.pdf} — that gives overful hbox, which makes no sense, because surely it shouldn't overflow when the width is that of the line?
  111. # [17:51] <Philip`> Who cares about overfull hboxes? Just check that it looks right in the PDF :-)
  112. # [17:51] <gsnedders> It doesn't. The graphic is wider than the text.
  113. # [17:51] <Philip`> In that case, just set [width=5in] or whatever until it looks right :-)
  114. # [17:52] <gsnedders> But \linewidth surely should work!
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  116. # [17:53] <Philip`> If you want to go with the solution that should work rather than the solution that does work, that's your loss :-p
  117. # [17:53] <gsnedders> :P
  118. # [17:54] <gsnedders> Also: InkScape won't start
  119. # [17:56] <gsnedders> Philip`: Finally started, now, which button do I press?
  120. # [17:57] <Philip`> gsnedders: Uh, I don't know
  121. # [17:59] <gsnedders> You're useful :\
  122. # [17:59] <Philip`> I suppose File -> Document Properties -> Fit page to selection should work in theory
  123. # [18:00] <gsnedders> I don't get any menus.
  124. # [18:00] <Philip`> and it works in practice on one out of two files I tested
  125. # [18:00] <Philip`> Uh, no menus?
  126. # [18:01] <Philip`> Not even at the top of the application window?
  127. # [18:01] <gsnedders> Installing Inkscape has fucked up X
  128. # [18:01] <Philip`> That probably shouldn't happen
  129. # [18:02] <Philip`> (You could use shift+ctrl+D instead of the menu)
  130. # [18:03] <Philip`> (except maybe it's not ctrl on weird OSes)
  131. # [18:03] * gsnedders manages to unfuck X
  132. # [18:05] <gsnedders> That shrinks the selection by the same amount too
  133. # [18:06] <Philip`> It did that in one of the files I tested, but not the other one :-/
  134. # [18:07] <Philip`> At least it should probably tell you how many pixels the shrunk document is, which saves you two variables if you edit the viewbox by hand and try to guess what the values should be
  135. # [18:08] * Philip` wonders why it sometimes shrinks the document...
  136. # [18:08] <gsnedders> @viewBox
  137. # [18:08] <gsnedders> If there is an @viewBox, it shrinks the doc
  138. # [18:09] <Philip`> Ah
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  140. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> sorry, to interrupt, but anybody know if there's a way to search mozilla-central checkins per-developer/committer?
  141. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> +1 to gsnedders for usage of the work "unfuck", btw
  142. # [18:10] <gsnedders> w00t
  143. # [18:10] <gsnedders> It works!
  144. # [18:12] <Philip`> Oh, how dull
  145. # [18:13] <gsnedders> Also, overfull hbox caused by paragraph indent+graphic width
  146. # [18:13] <gsnedders> So, \noindent\includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{Lens1.pdf}
  147. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> that doesn't look like HTML
  148. # [18:13] <Philip`> gsnedders: You could put the graphic in a \begin{figure} rather than a paragraph
  149. # [18:14] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: Who ever said we discussed HTML in here? That's be logical. You're meant to leave that at the door
  150. # [18:14] <gsnedders> Philip`: That's boring.
  151. # [18:14] * Philip` looks at the giant overflowing pile of logic just outside the door, and hopes he'll be able to find his own logic when he goes to retrieve it before heading home
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  154. # [18:31] <gsnedders> takkaria: A gap year doing what?
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  156. # [18:32] <wilhelm> I spent mine reading and studying on my own. (c:
  157. # [18:32] <gsnedders> wilhelm: But how convincing it that to a university? :)
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  160. # [18:33] <wilhelm> I never attended one.
  161. # [18:34] <gsnedders> wilhelm: See, that's your advantage :)
  162. # [18:36] * gsnedders wonders whether he could pull off a wilhelm and get hired by Opera :)
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  164. # [18:37] <Philip`> Do you really want a job rather than another three years of being a lazy student? :-)
  165. # [18:39] <gsnedders> Philip`: Well, of the places I have offers for, one is a four year degree, and the other a five year degree :)
  166. # [18:39] <gsnedders> Philip`: Besides, I can take a gap year and end up somewhere nicer :P
  167. # [18:40] <gsnedders> Philip`: And, y'know, go to uni at a normal age?
  168. # [18:40] <Philip`> gsnedders: Oh, uh, I meant three years of being a lazy student interspersed with a year or two of thinking about maybe doing some work
  169. # [18:40] <gsnedders> Philip`: No, you're still wrong.
  170. # [18:40] <gsnedders> :)
  171. # [18:40] <Philip`> "normal" is subjective :-)
  172. # [18:41] <gsnedders> Philip`: Both are MPhys degrees, which is normally in England four years, and in Scotland five.
  173. # [18:41] <gsnedders> Philip`: (I could, of course, just get a BSc which would be a year shorter)
  174. # [18:41] <gsnedders> Philip`: But then I wouldn't be a Jedi Master
  175. # [18:41] <gsnedders> Philip`: Sorry, Physics Master
  176. # [18:41] <Philip`> Get a PhD and then you wouldn't have to care about BSc vs MPhys :-)
  177. # [18:42] <gsnedders> Philip`: That means doing real academia, which having a father doing such things has put me off :)
  178. # [18:43] <Philip`> It doesn't seem that real to me
  179. # [18:45] <gsnedders> Are <pre>foo\nbar</pre> and <pre>foo<br>bar</pre> semantically the same?
  180. # [18:51] <takkaria> gap years are good
  181. # [18:51] <takkaria> non-gap years are also good
  182. # [18:52] <takkaria> if you do a gap year, find something to do. it doesn't really matter what, but jobs are a popular chat
  183. # [18:52] <takkaria> er, choice
  184. # [18:52] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/2009/02/13-hcg-minutes.html is interesting regarding the normalization thread, to bad it's fricking Member-only
  185. # [18:52] <takkaria> and you get some more money and some experience of the real world, as it were
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  187. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> hcg is a member-only list, I think
  188. # [18:53] <gsnedders> hcg?
  189. # [18:53] <Philip`> annevk: Post it to Wikileaks
  190. # [18:53] <gsnedders> takkaria: This is an interesting time to try and get a job :)
  191. # [18:53] <MikeSmith> anyway, since when does anything interesting happen on the HCG calls?
  192. # [18:53] <takkaria> gsnedders: it's always an interesting time to try and get a job :)
  193. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> if there's some controversy, I guess maybe I should actually call into them
  194. # [18:54] <annevk> there were some comments about actual usage today
  195. # [18:54] <gsnedders> Still, what's HCG?
  196. # [18:54] <Philip`> gsnedders: Human chorionic gonadotropin
  197. # [18:54] <wilhelm> There was some discussion on testing on the last call that was interesting.
  198. # [18:54] * gsnedders slaps Philip`
  199. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: Hypertext Coordination Group
  200. # [18:54] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: ah
  201. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> chairs and team contacts from various groups, including HTML WG, WebApps WG, CSS, SVG, ...
  202. # [18:55] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: If they call in :D
  203. # [18:56] <MikeSmith> well, the fact that it's at 11pm/12pm on Friday night each week kinda makes it less that ideal
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  206. # [18:59] <gsnedders> heh
  207. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: you're welcome to call in for me
  208. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> in place of me
  209. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> just pretend you're really tired, and drunk
  210. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> and belligerent
  211. # [19:01] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: But I'm not a member, so I can't get at anything related to it. Nor do I intend to :P
  212. # [19:01] <MikeSmith> nobody will notice the differenc
  213. # [19:02] <gsnedders> :D
  214. # [19:03] * gsnedders is now known as TheOtherMikeSmit
  215. # [19:03] <TheOtherMikeSmit> Damnot!
  216. # [19:03] <TheOtherMikeSmit> Nick is too long :\
  217. # [19:03] * TheOtherMikeSmit is now known as MikeTMSmith
  218. # [19:03] <MikeTMSmith> This'll work!
  219. # [19:04] <MikeTMSmith> No, where's that fucktard gone :)
  220. # [19:04] * MikeTMSmith is now known as gsnedders
  221. # [19:07] <MikeSmith> what the hell kind of expression is "Damnot"?
  222. # [19:07] <gsnedders> It's damnit, just spelt wrong.
  223. # [19:07] <gsnedders> I mean, I'm drunk and can't type :)
  224. # [19:07] <jcranmer> I always preferred dammit over damnit
  225. # [19:08] <MikeSmith> goddammit even better
  226. # [19:08] <Philip`> I like to dam my nits
  227. # [19:08] <gsnedders> What about dangnamit?
  228. # [19:08] <jcranmer> damn it - 1 definition - Another example of how idiots spell "dammit."
  229. # [19:09] <jcranmer> gsnedders: I've always had dang-nab-it
  230. # [19:09] <annevk> gsnedders, your draft points to /tr/html/ which points to xhtml1
  231. # [19:09] <gsnedders> annevk: I know, I noticed that myself shortly after sending
  232. # [19:09] <gsnedders> annevk: I've been working on physics project ever since I sent that email
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  237. # [19:43] <jruderman> i thought it was dag-nab-it
  238. # [19:45] <jcranmer> jruderman: dang-nab-it, don't contradict me!
  239. # [19:45] <jruderman> hehe
  240. # [19:50] <Philip`> The OED only has "dagnabbit, dagnabit"
  241. # [19:50] <Philip`> though it also has "dang"
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  263. # [23:00] * gsnedders could do with an SVG version of the visible light spectrum
  264. # [23:03] <jcranmer> … too low frequency |*| too high frequency …, where * is a red-orange-yellow-green-blue-violet gradient that's too small to see <-- ascii art version
  265. # [23:04] <gsnedders> That isn't quite SVG, though
  266. # [23:04] <gsnedders> (Oh, and sorry for making you feel old, again)
  267. # [23:05] * jcranmer shakes his cane at gsnedders
  268. # [23:05] * gsnedders wonders if jcranmer is a dom…
  269. # [23:05] * gsnedders wonders why else jcranmer might have that cane
  270. # [23:06] <Philip`> gsnedders: Why SVG?
  271. # [23:07] <gsnedders> Philip`: I need some good open vector format
  272. # [23:07] <jcranmer> VML?
  273. # [23:07] <gsnedders> Philip`: That is easily editable
  274. # [23:07] <gsnedders> jcranmer: I don't have anything that can read VML, so no.
  275. # [23:07] <jcranmer> Microsoft Office?
  276. # [23:07] <gsnedders> OK, I guess I do.
  277. # [23:08] <Philip`> gsnedders: I think the typically unchanging physical nature of the visible light spectrum should mean you won't really have to edit it
  278. # [23:08] <gsnedders> Philip`: It's my need to recontextualize it
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