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  1. # Session Start: Sat Feb 21 00:00:00 2009
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  7. # [00:29] <Lachy> weinig, yo
  8. # [00:30] <Lachy> I read your question from last night about querySelector() without parameters
  9. # [00:31] <Lachy> I believe that's an issue that WebIDL needs to address
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  11. # [00:34] <Lachy> Philip`, the idea of adding alternative content for games like canvex is really pointless, since you could never convey the interactivity and on screen action well enough dynamically. At best, you could provide a brief overview of what it is
  12. # [00:39] <Lachy> Hixie, re section 1.5.4 in the spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Feb/0090.html>, my action item is due March 5th, so I still have a little while to work on it. I still need to finish my first response to Larry though
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  14. # [00:49] <gsnedders> What's a decent APP client for OS X?
  15. # [00:49] <Lachy> what's an APP client?
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  17. # [00:50] <gsnedders> Lachy: As in Atom Publishing Protocol
  18. # [00:52] <karlcow> Lachy: example http://bitworking.org/projects/apptestclient/
  19. # [00:52] <Lachy> I didn't even know such clients existed, so I don't know. But have you checked iusethis and macupdate?
  20. # [00:52] * gsnedders is looking for suggestions, damnit! :P
  21. # [00:54] <Lachy> gsnedders, macupdate.com and iusethis.com will provide you with suggestions if you search
  22. # [00:54] <gsnedders> Esp. of those that can cope with XHTML content with no problem.
  23. # [00:55] <Lachy> I'm not even sure what Atom Publishing Protocol is. I thought Atom was only used for syndication feeds
  24. # [00:56] <gsnedders> Lachy: RFC5023
  25. # [00:56] <karlcow> gsnedders: if you intend to code one this could be useful http://developer.apple.com/webapps/articles/creatingrestfulclients.html
  26. # [00:56] <gsnedders> karlcow: A client? No. A server? Yes.
  27. # [00:57] <gsnedders> And I'd rather like a client to work with it :)
  28. # [00:58] <Lachy> gsnedders, you should switch to Windows and use a windows client since that's easier to find
  29. # [01:00] <gsnedders> Philip`: I presume you've managed to get cElementTree to output stuff that isn't well-formed?
  30. # [01:00] <karlcow> hmmm just discovered a wiki based on APP http://code.google.com/p/atomicwiki/
  31. # [01:00] <Lachy> weinig, if you have any more questions about selectors api, then mail public-webapps. Bed time for me.
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  33. # [01:03] <Philip`> gsnedders: I've never cared enough to try
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  35. # [01:06] <sayrer> what's the URL for that survey of HTML Hixie did? I can never find it
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  38. # [01:07] <annevk> sayrer, http://code.google.com/webstats/
  39. # [01:08] <Philip`> sayrer: http://www.google.com/search?q=google+code+stats gave me the right result after only six guesses at the search string
  40. # [01:08] * annevk just remembers URLs
  41. # [01:08] <sayrer> I couldn't remember "stats"
  42. # [01:08] <sayrer> thanks
  43. # [01:08] <Philip`> (There's quite a few other places with other stats from different (and more recent) data sets)
  44. # [01:10] <Philip`> ((and more verifiable and reproducible))
  45. # [01:13] <weinig> Lachy: thanks
  46. # [01:13] <karlcow> gsnedders: the person to ask if there is a client for APP on the mac could be ado = aadrian = kungfootv (on twitter) Ecto developer
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  48. # [01:21] <Philip`> Hixie: "I welcome suggestions for making them more obvious. Not sure how to do it." - text-decoration:blink ?
  49. # [01:23] <Hixie> for various reasons i won't go into, "obvious" is not the only constraint
  50. # [01:23] <Hixie> so i hope you'll understand if i ignore your suggestion
  51. # [01:23] <Hixie> but thanks!
  52. # [01:23] <Philip`> No problem
  53. # [01:39] * annevk doesn't get the joke on intertwingly.net
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  55. # [01:46] <gsnedders> karlcow: I want to go to a city and do that now :)
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  58. # [01:59] <karlcow> :)
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  64. # [02:43] <rubys> Philip`: you there?
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  66. # [03:01] <rubys> anyway, if you read these logs later, it looks like Jacques Distler is taunting you: http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/code/instiki/svn/revision/301
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  78. # [04:24] <jwalden> ?
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  114. # [10:26] <Philip`> rubys: I wasn't here, but am now
  115. # [10:27] <Philip`> but you were here and now you're not
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  135. # [12:42] <annevk> hmm, DreamHost moved my server and now all my sites are offline
  136. # [12:42] <annevk> wtf
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  138. # [12:44] <Philip`> annevk: Seems like the IP changed
  139. # [12:44] <Philip`> which seems an unexpected thing to do to a server
  140. # [12:48] <Philip`> Oh wait, I'm probably misinterpreting all the numbers
  141. # [12:48] <annevk> no you're not
  142. # [12:48] <annevk> they moved my stuff to a new server
  143. # [12:49] * Philip` never worked out how Dreamhost's naming system worked, or what servers are connected to what other servers
  144. # [12:49] <annevk> I said it wrong
  145. # [12:49] <annevk> however, that still doesn't explain why everything is gone
  146. # [12:50] <annevk> I e-mailed support, but given the time in the US I suppose it might take a while :/
  147. # [12:50] <Philip`> I can still log in to alameda.dreamhost.com and see the philip.html5.org files
  148. # [12:50] * Philip` doesn't know how that corresponds to the web server which should be serving those files
  149. # [12:52] <annevk> per the e-mail we're now on hobgoblin
  150. # [12:56] <Philip`> Hmm, so there's copies of the files on (at least) two servers
  151. # [12:56] <Philip`> Seemingly distinct copies, too
  152. # [12:56] <Philip`> which is a bit confusing
  153. # [12:58] <annevk> ugh
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  155. # [13:00] <annevk> the claim is indeed that I use 0GB of hobgoblin
  156. # [13:10] <Philip`> I have pretty much the same files on both - the only difference is that the httpd logs have diverged
  157. # [13:11] <annevk> k
  158. # [13:11] <Philip`> Oh, and there's no Maildir on hobgoblin
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  165. # [16:01] <Philip`> Hixie: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/status-documentation.html is sent as text/plain
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  167. # [16:12] <gsnedders> We need Content-Type sniffing because people can't configure their servers correctly.
  168. # [16:12] <gsnedders> s/people/Hixie/, s/their/his/
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  170. # [16:20] <annevk> seems sites are back up, nice
  171. # [16:25] <annevk> not really clear how to retract my support request
  172. # [16:25] <annevk> oh well
  173. # [16:25] <annevk> ah, it's under "contact support" rather than "support history"
  174. # [16:30] <Philip`> http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55527 - 'onClick="javascript: ..."' - it's lucky that JS supports that syntax
  175. # [16:44] <gsnedders> Wow. I wonder when I last used the kbd element
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  177. # [16:54] <gsnedders> jgraham: ping
  178. # [16:56] <gsnedders> jgraham: http://hg.gsnedders.com/anolis/log/294
  179. # [17:25] * Philip` tries to work out whether a program that includes some CC-by-sa music would have to be distributed as CC-by-sa itself, but it seems somewhat non-obvious whether that's the case :-(
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  190. # [20:04] <crackpod> Hey, is someone from html5lib here?
  191. # [20:05] <gsnedders> crackpod: That depends on what you want to ask :)
  192. # [20:05] <crackpod> Well, I'm using the beautifulsoup treebuilder
  193. # [20:06] <crackpod> And I wondered if there was a way to use the Tag class from the BeautifulSoup module
  194. # [20:06] <gsnedders> Well, don't ask me then.
  195. # [20:06] <crackpod> :D
  196. # [20:06] * Philip` runs away at the mention of Beautiful Soup
  197. # [20:06] <gsnedders> crackpod: Catch Philip`.
  198. # [20:06] * crackpod catches Philip`
  199. # [20:06] <crackpod> got'cha
  200. # [20:06] <Philip`> (I fixed a few bugs in it once, and that was enough :-) )
  201. # [20:06] <crackpod> :D
  202. # [20:06] <gsnedders> Philip`: You have more to do with it than me :P
  203. # [20:07] <crackpod> Actually I just wondered if I had access to BeautifulSoup.Tag when using html5lib
  204. # [20:07] <Philip`> ((In html5lib's code that uses it, I mean))
  205. # [20:07] <crackpod> Since I can use the normal tree-structure I thought that was likely
  206. # [20:08] <Philip`> crackpod: Uh, I'm not sure what BeautifulSoup.Tag is
  207. # [20:08] <gsnedders> crackpod: Here's my advice: don't use BeautifulSoup.
  208. # [20:08] <crackpod> lol
  209. # [20:08] <Philip`> If it's just a class or something, you ought to be able to use it the same as in any other code that uses BS, I guess
  210. # [20:08] <crackpod> Oke, I think I'll just import BeautifulSoup manually then, wasn't that important anyways
  211. # [20:09] <gsnedders> Philip`: Everything is "just a class or something".
  212. # [20:09] <crackpod> gsnedders, I think BS is rather good
  213. # [20:09] <gsnedders> Unless you can be a class _and_ something…
  214. # [20:09] <gsnedders> Hmm…
  215. # [20:09] <crackpod> Well good enough for a crackhead (<- I am)
  216. # [20:09] <crackpod> Ehrm I'm not :D
  217. # [20:10] <gsnedders> Lies, damned lies and statistics.
  218. # [20:10] <crackpod> I'm just german and trying to find the right expression for "Spinner"
  219. # [20:10] <crackpod> well anyways
  220. # [20:10] <crackpod> thanks for your help
  221. # [20:11] <gsnedders> HTML 5 would be so much easier to read if you did `rm source header-whatwg header-w3c; touch source header-whatwg header-w3c`
  222. # [20:11] <crackpod> :D
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  224. # [20:11] <gsnedders> (And then re-gened the spec)
  225. # [20:15] <gsnedders> Hixie: Um, what's that huge long @title on the header of Web Socket protocol?
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  228. # [21:18] <Philip`> Is anyone going to tell Michael Ball that <!doctype html5> triggers quirks mode in Firefox?
  229. # [21:20] <gsnedders> I wondered about it, but couldn't remember which browser it was, so didn't
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