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  1. # Session Start: Mon Mar 30 00:00:00 2009
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  27. # [02:45] * gsnedders shakes head at trying to check one or two things about Lolita by googling
  28. # [02:45] <gsnedders> Half of what I'm getting is stuff like "Free YOUNG Lolita PORN MOVIES", which really isn't helpful.
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  30. # [03:38] <gsnedders> My physics makes no sense.
  31. # [03:38] <gsnedders> Apparently t = 1/2g for any object to fall any distance
  32. # [03:42] <karlcow> gsnedders: g(earth gravity?) => m/s2, t(time) => s ;)
  33. # [03:43] <gsnedders> g = gravitational field strength
  34. # [03:45] <jcranmer> 1/2g * t^2 = d -> t = sqrt(2d/g) if I am not mistaken
  35. # [03:45] <karlcow> so a good rule of thumb, checking units on each side. It will give you an idea if you messed up
  36. # [03:45] * gsnedders realizes he missed the sqrt in his calculation
  37. # [03:45] <karlcow> heh
  38. # [03:45] <jcranmer> karlcow: that's called dimensional analysis
  39. # [03:46] <jcranmer> best thing that I ever learned in physics
  40. # [03:46] * gsnedders wonders why he was doing this anyway
  41. # [03:46] <jcranmer> now, if only that could help with my habit of randomly swapping signs
  42. # [03:46] <karlcow> jcranmer: aaaah sorry. I know nothing in physics. I'm really dumb. Just know only sex and poetry
  43. # [03:47] * gsnedders is trying to write his English dissertation, so it doesn't seem overly useful
  44. # [03:52] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: Challenge: When is the second time Lolita seduces Humbert?
  45. # [03:53] <karlcow> hmmm lolita is still in my boxes
  46. # [03:53] <karlcow> I mean the book
  47. # [03:53] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: I think it was the time after the first time, but before the third time
  48. # [03:54] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: There is no third time.
  49. # [03:54] * gsnedders can't remember what the second time is, just there is a second time
  50. # [03:55] <karlcow> gsnedders: how was it?
  51. # [03:55] <gsnedders> I have three Nabokov novels around me, and a Boyd criticism of Ada too
  52. # [03:55] <gsnedders> karlcow: how was what?
  53. # [03:56] <Hixie> man i'd forgotten how annoying mario galaxy is
  54. # [03:57] <karlcow> the second time :p
  55. # [03:57] <gsnedders> karlcow: "was it" in what way? I can't remember it!
  56. # [03:58] <karlcow> heh. people always remember the first time. Very rare the second time
  57. # [03:58] <gsnedders> Oh, duh
  58. # [03:58] * gsnedders is half asleep
  59. # [04:01] <gsnedders> ``You chump,'' she said, sweetly smiling at me. ``You revolting creature. I was a daisy-fresh girl, and look what you've done to me. I ought to call the police and tell them you raped me. Oh you dirty, dirty old man.''
  60. # [04:07] <karlcow> gsnedders: found?
  61. # [04:07] <gsnedders> no
  62. # [04:08] * gsnedders wonders if it has any connection to 342
  63. # [04:10] <jcranmer> Hixie: what made you remember
  64. # [04:10] <Hixie> playing it
  65. # [04:12] <jcranmer> I don't have that fear
  66. # [04:12] <jcranmer> I don't have the game :-)
  67. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485663
  68. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> [[
  69. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> You know how sometimes you don't have a network connection, but you have a
  70. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> source tree, and you want to see a slideshow of ten little dog pictures of
  71. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> different sizes changing rapidly with no attempt to keep the title from jumping
  72. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> up and down?
  73. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> Yeah, me neither.
  74. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> ]]
  75. # [04:14] <karlcow> ahaha
  76. # [04:17] <takkaria> http://thefuckingweather.com/
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  78. # [04:18] * jcranmer looks at the slideshow
  79. # [04:18] <jcranmer> OMG, that IS bad
  80. # [04:21] <azazul`> no no
  81. # [04:21] <azazul`> there is global warming
  82. # [04:21] <azazul`> shut up and ignore the snow
  83. # [04:22] <azazul`> .. last time there was snow "on" in thos time of year , was in 1961 ... thats what i has been told
  84. # [04:22] <azazul`> =/
  85. # [04:24] <gsnedders> Hmm, the more I think about it the less I believe HH's claim that L seduced him in The Enchanted Hunters
  86. # [04:45] <gsnedders> hah! "You talk like a book, Dad."
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  88. # [04:55] * gsnedders opens up Last.fm to listen to System Fault, takkaria ;)
  89. # [05:01] * gsnedders is listening to Death Row by System Fault from Perfect Gentlemen EP
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  91. # [05:22] <Hixie> anybody know anything about SVG's
  92. # [05:22] <Hixie> 'load' events?
  93. # [05:25] <gsnedders> No, but I'm sure I can tell you a fair amount about Nabokov's work instead.
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  97. # [06:54] * Hixie cannot find whiteforest inn commentary node 4
  98. # [06:58] <Hixie> or 8 for that matter
  99. # [07:09] <MikeSmith> does chatzilla do completion on names?
  100. # [07:18] <gsnedders> Hixie: huh?
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  105. # [07:45] <jwalden> MikeSmith: tab-complete, yes
  106. # [07:45] <MikeSmith> jwalden: thanks
  107. # [07:46] <MikeSmith> was trying to tell somebody else to use it, but she said it didn't seem to be work. will follow up with her
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  117. # [08:37] <Hixie> i wonder what mutation events fire with innerHTML
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  131. # [10:12] * jgraham wwonders if anyone sa his question about foreign content parsing from yesterday
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  133. # [10:13] <jgraham> wow, that was really illegible
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  135. # [10:13] <jgraham> And anyway, I'm sure somebody saw it, but I'm more wondering if anyone can answer it
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  138. # [10:19] <zcorpan> jgraham: what was the question?
  139. # [10:20] <jgraham> 06:28 < jgraham> So, I feel like I am being really dumb but, given a tree like <math><annotation-xml><svg><p> what prevents the secondary insertion mode being set to InForeignContent when the <svg> element is processed as if it were In Body?
  140. # [10:20] <jgraham> zcorpan: ^
  141. # [10:22] <zcorpan> jgraham: ok
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  145. # [10:36] <hsivonen> jgraham: I guess the answer is that it would really help if the spec made "in foreign" into a flag like the V.nu parser does
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  147. # [10:42] <jgraham> hsivonen: What implications would that have? Just that once you were inforeign setting the flag again would be a noop?
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  149. # [10:48] <hsivonen> jgraham: I think the implication is that having SVG in <annotation-xml> or MathML in <foreignObject> makes sense (if it doesn't already)
  150. # [10:50] <hsivonen> IIRC, I did run use cases from Jacques Distler with the flag-based impl.
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  152. # [10:52] <hsivonen> so does twitter still have known XSS holes?
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  158. # [11:36] <jgraham> hsivonen: I _think_ those cases are infinite loops in the spec currently. Although I would like someone to verify that because I could be wrong
  159. # [11:36] <roc> annevk3: we don't seem to have any CSSOM API that would allow determining the screen coordinates of elements
  160. # [11:37] <annevk3> screen coordinates?
  161. # [11:38] <jgraham> (html5lib doesn't pass the relevent tests if I remove the infinite loops in a naive way sdo I don't trust that I have read the spec correctly)
  162. # [11:38] <roc> like screenX and screenY on ScreenView and MouseEventView
  163. # [11:39] <annevk3> why is that needed?
  164. # [11:41] <roc> I don't have any good use cases
  165. # [11:41] <annevk3> well then I won't add it :) seems like screenX/Y don't even work interoperably between Opera and Firefox
  166. # [11:41] <roc> but it's weird that we have screen coordinates for events and "client windows"
  167. # [11:41] <roc> but not elements
  168. # [11:42] <roc> it might be useful for that multi-window bouncing ball app
  169. # [11:42] <annevk3> :)
  170. # [11:42] <roc> they seem to get by by assuming that all windows have the same toolbar/urlbar/etc height
  171. # [11:42] <roc> and then just compare window.screenX/Y
  172. # [11:43] <roc> it's useful to coordinate with some other code that's running on the desktop
  173. # [11:43] <annevk3> I suppose screenX/Y would be more useful if they were from viewport origin to screen origin
  174. # [11:43] <roc> but that isn't really a good use case for Web content
  175. # [11:43] <roc> yeah
  176. # [11:44] <roc> I'm not sure exactly what would break if we changed them
  177. # [11:44] <roc> it's a bit scary
  178. # [11:44] <annevk3> in Opera they currently return negative values o_O
  179. # [11:45] <roc> do you happen to have a dual-screen setup?
  180. # [11:47] <annevk3> yeah, but it involves two separate laptops :)
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  182. # [11:53] <hsivonen> jgraham: like I've said before, the spec has the modeness and flagness of 'in foreign' and 'frameset-ok' backwards :-)
  183. # [11:59] <jgraham> hsivonen: OK, well I am joining your crusade to get it changed :)
  184. # [11:59] <annevk3> Does rubys mean that he wants the HTML syntax to require quotes and such for SVG fragments?
  185. # [12:00] <annevk3> Or that he's just bored discussing it? :)
  186. # [12:05] <jgraham> annevk3: Or that he doesn't care about quotes and stuff because it is easy for a machine to correct those things
  187. # [12:05] <annevk3> Yeah, but why bring XHTML + SVG up then?
  188. # [12:05] <annevk3> meh
  189. # [12:08] <annevk3> Is Julian just playing dumb and am I wasting my time or is this discussion actually leading somewhere? *sighs*
  190. # [12:08] <jgraham> Maybe he is saying that the focus on making things copy/pastable is misguided because fixing the type of differences that people have focussed on for the copy/paste issue is trivial
  191. # [12:08] <jgraham> s/he/Sam/
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  193. # [12:13] <Philip`> Unless he's arguing that we should discuss how SVG DOMs are processed and rendered, I'm not sure what the HTML WG could discuss other than the trivial syntax issues
  194. # [12:14] * Philip` wonders if he should bother making his html-to-xhtml service a bit more professional
  195. # [12:16] <jgraham> Philip`: More professionsal as in, doesn't work as well but charges you through the nose?
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  197. # [12:20] <Philip`> jgraham: More professional as in not saying "rubbish" and "Wowzers!" quite as much as it does
  198. # [12:20] <annevk3> krijnh, I had this idea for the IRC logs which will make them a bit slower, in case of a rename, if one the strings is an ASCII case-insensitive substring of the other, ignore it
  199. # [12:20] <Dashiva> Philip`: You should make it more document-ish
  200. # [12:21] <krijnh> annevk3: a rename?
  201. # [12:21] <annevk3> krijnh, of a nick
  202. # [12:22] * krijnh doesn't follow
  203. # [12:22] <annevk3> e.g. "* slightlyoff is now known as slightlyoff_afk" can be ignored because slightlyoff is a substring of slightlyoff_afk
  204. # [12:23] <krijnh> How do I not ignore it now?
  205. # [12:23] <annevk3> but e.g. "* foo is now known as bar" cannot because that's more significant
  206. # [12:23] <annevk3> krijnh, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090328#l-193
  207. # [12:23] <krijnh> Ah!
  208. # [12:25] <annevk3> and maybe strip trailing digits so it works for me too :p
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  210. # [12:25] * annevk3 is making this too complicated
  211. # [12:25] <krijnh> Yeah, a bit :)
  212. # [12:26] <krijnh> slightlyoff_afk back to slightlyoff - how would you do that?
  213. # [12:26] <krijnh> Ow, wait
  214. # [12:26] <Philip`> Sounds more complicated than moving one's eyes downwards to skip over those lines :-)
  215. # [12:26] <krijnh> Hmm
  216. # [12:26] * krijnh agrees with Philip` :)
  217. # [12:27] <krijnh> It gives the logs a personal touch ;) People are actually alive and go afk once in a while
  218. # [12:27] <krijnh> So, I need more use cases :)
  219. # [12:28] <annevk3> my main use case is actually line count on the frontpage
  220. # [12:28] <annevk3> so maybe it is enough to ignore renames altogether for that
  221. # [12:29] <krijnh> You could also educate people to not change their nicks
  222. # [12:29] <krijnh> Nobody cares about afk'ness
  223. # [12:29] <zcorpan> maybe another thing: if i enter "zcorpan" as nick it should recognize me as "zcorpan_" and "zcorpan_afk" and "zcorpan3", etc, too
  224. # [12:30] <zcorpan> although i just use zcorpan and zcorpan_ so it's not so hard to enter both
  225. # [12:30] <krijnh> Please remember there are like 5 users of these logs ;)
  226. # [12:31] <zcorpan> so? :)
  227. # [12:31] <krijnh> So it's not always worth it :)
  228. # [12:31] <annevk3> krijnh, this is your most popular site to date, stop complaining and pray we keep using it!
  229. # [12:31] <krijnh> Haha
  230. # [12:36] <Philip`> "I, for one, was not aware that service [html-to-xhtml] existed until 4 days ago as part of this discussion" - I suppose that's to be expected, since it didn't exist until 4 days ago
  231. # [12:37] <Philip`> (at least not in a publicly-accessible form)
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  234. # [12:38] * Philip` should probably make it use the latest parser version
  235. # [12:39] * krijnh adds a new subtitle to the logs :)
  236. # [12:39] * Philip` should probably also find a better way to run Java stuff, rather than having it be a standalone application with its own HTTP server running in screen
  237. # [12:41] <annevk3> krijnh, hehe, how do we get to them again?
  238. # [12:42] <Philip`> annevk3: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ and then press F5 a lot of times
  239. # [12:43] <krijnh> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/all-subtitles
  240. # [12:45] <annevk3> that list has some superb obscure references to recent HTML history :)
  241. # [12:50] <Philip`> That's an effective demonstration of how publicness is a separate issue from openness - it's not an open process that anyone can participate in because the conversations rely on years of undocumented shared context :-)
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  243. # [12:53] <annevk3> Philip`, actually, I think you can get all of that by reading the IRC logs and mailing list archives
  244. # [12:53] <annevk3> Philip`, not that it makes it more likely that people can participate per that definition though
  245. # [12:53] <annevk3> Philip`, but it's not a black/white thing anyway
  246. # [12:55] <Philip`> annevk3: That might be technically true, but reading a third of a million lines of IRC logs and twenty five thousand mailing list posts is hardly a practical idea for people wanting to get involved
  247. # [12:56] <annevk3> right, I already said as much in the following line
  248. # [12:56] <krijnh> Where are the IRC logs from before 2007?
  249. # [12:56] <Philip`> krijnh: They're at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/200612
  250. # [12:57] <Philip`> annevk3: Indeed, but I started counting before your following line :-p
  251. # [12:57] * jgraham reads a weblog article from somebody pontificating about technical solutions that will allow him to twitter and have his tweets pushed to facebook, without annoying people on facebook by having too many status updates, sighs
  252. # [12:57] <krijnh> That's about when the W3C and the HTMLWG got involved, I mean from before that
  253. # [12:58] <hsivonen> jgraham: Bob Sutor?
  254. # [12:58] <jgraham> hsivonen: Yes, apparently. I didn't actually look it was just something on planet intertwingly
  255. # [12:59] * hsivonen saw it on Planet Intertwingly, too.
  256. # [12:59] <annevk3> krijnh, Charl van Niekerk had logs, not sure until how far back, and I thought the plan was that he'd give them to you
  257. # [13:00] <annevk3> krijnh, they might have gone lost by now though
  258. # [13:00] <annevk3> krijnh, it took a while before we got actual logs though
  259. # [13:00] <krijnh> It shouldn't really all depend on me though :)
  260. # [13:01] <krijnh> Was http://whatbot.charlvn.za.net/ btw
  261. # [13:01] <Philip`> Planet Intertwingly caused me to start using user stylesheets for the first time ever, a few days ago
  262. # [13:01] <Philip`> (to remove posts from a certain author)
  263. # [13:01] <Philip`> I wish browsers had a button that said "edit user CSS for this site", instead of making me mess around with filesystems and stuff
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  265. # [13:02] <jgraham> Philip`: I think that functionality is avaliable
  266. # [13:02] <Philip`> If it it, I wish they made it more obvious :-)
  267. # [13:02] <Philip`> *is
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  269. # [13:04] <annevk3> krijnh, if I had a server somewhere that allowed me to run bots I'd help you out :)
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  271. # [13:04] <krijnh> Bots are overrated
  272. # [13:05] <krijnh> You just need your irc client to log the files ;]
  273. # [13:05] <annevk3> ok, a server that allowed me to run IRC
  274. # [13:06] <jgraham> annevk3: Will dreamhost not let you do that?
  275. # [13:07] <annevk3> not last time I checked
  276. # [13:07] <krijnh> Perhaps it would be smart to upload the logfiles somewhere once in a while?
  277. # [13:07] <krijnh> (I don't do backups)
  278. # [13:08] <krijnh> http://irc-logs.whatwg.org/ or something
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  280. # [13:09] <krijnh> It's only 60MB of text files atm
  281. # [13:09] <annevk3> get an account on http://code.google.com/p/html5/ and use that?
  282. # [13:10] <annevk3> or will that get us into license issues?
  283. # [13:10] * annevk3 sighs
  284. # [13:10] <krijnh> Don't know, why?
  285. # [13:10] <annevk3> is the content under the Apache license?
  286. # [13:11] <krijnh> The logs?
  287. # [13:11] <Philip`> Why not upload the log files to Dreamhost?
  288. # [13:11] <krijnh> Yeah, why not?
  289. # [13:11] <annevk3> I can make logs.html5.org if we want do something now
  290. # [13:11] <annevk3> and give krijnh an account so he can do stuff
  291. # [13:12] <krijnh> To use as a backup, or as a primary place for the logs (both fine by me)
  292. # [13:12] <krijnh> ?
  293. # [13:12] <annevk3> both are fine by me as well :)
  294. # [13:12] <Philip`> It's nice for the logs to be live
  295. # [13:12] <Philip`> so they presumably have to be on the same machine as the IRC client
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  297. # [13:12] <krijnh> Yeah, I don't think I can export the logs to Dreamhost immediately
  298. # [13:12] <annevk3> yeah
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  300. # [13:13] <krijnh> So that could be a daily cronjob or something
  301. # [13:13] <annevk3> that sounds fine
  302. # [13:13] <annevk3> i'll make an account
  303. # [13:13] <krijnh> Kewl
  304. # [13:13] <annevk3> anyone prefer irc-logs over logs?
  305. # [13:13] * krijnh does
  306. # [13:13] <annevk3> k
  307. # [13:14] <krijnh> Or krijnhoetmers-irc-logs ;)
  308. # [13:14] <krijnh> Or I prefer krijnhoetmers-you-know-that-irc-logging-guys-kickass-irc-logs.html5.org
  309. # [13:15] <annevk3> right, we can set those up later
  310. # [13:15] <krijnh> :)
  311. # [13:15] <annevk3> do you need more than FTP?
  312. # [13:15] <krijnh> Depends
  313. # [13:15] <annevk3> what do you want?
  314. # [13:15] <krijnh> I use mod_rewrite, php and mysql now
  315. # [13:15] <krijnh> But mod_rewrite and php is okay enough
  316. # [13:16] <krijnh> For a backup
  317. # [13:16] <annevk3> you store the raw text in MySQL
  318. # [13:16] <annevk3> ?
  319. # [13:16] <krijnh> No, only the important linenumbers
  320. # [13:16] <krijnh> And the irc nicks
  321. # [13:16] <annevk3> i actually meant whether you wanted SFTP/FTP/ssh
  322. # [13:16] <krijnh> Ow
  323. # [13:16] <Philip`> I thought the policy was to always have <firstname>.html5.org, and I don't think krijnh's first name is irclogs :-)
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  325. # [13:17] <krijnh> krijn.html5.org would be cool too :)
  326. # [13:17] <krijnh> annevk3: FTP is okay
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  328. # [13:18] <krijnh> http://irc-logs.html5.org/ \o/
  329. # [13:18] <annevk3> http://krijn.html5.org/ should start working too shortly
  330. # [13:19] <virtuelv> to answer annevk's assertion further up: no, you can't run bots on dreamhost (and they don't really want you to have a persistent irc client there either)
  331. # [13:19] <annevk3> I think that's nicer :)
  332. # [13:19] <virtuelv> if you want something like that, I'd suggest slicehost
  333. # [13:19] <virtuelv> (or whatever they are called now)
  334. # [13:19] <virtuelv> http://www.slicehost.com/
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  336. # [13:25] <annevk3> Not going to invest USD 240 yearly for logging, sorry :)
  337. # [13:27] <krijnh> I am already
  338. # [13:27] <krijnh> At least! :)
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  349. # [14:29] <zcorpan> hmm, maybe <textarea placeholder> should have different requirements than <input placeholder> wrt linebreaks
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  351. # [14:37] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: I was thinking about the same thing
  352. # [14:38] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I redeployed V.nu
  353. # [14:38] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: thanks. I'll test the <optgroup> fix and close that bug if it's passing
  354. # [14:39] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: thanks
  355. # [14:39] <MikeSmith> I'm pretty sure the reason for the bug is some regression I introduced with an earlier change
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  359. # [15:24] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: so I've been messing around with Assertions.java code for checking for the case of label@for input child with mismatched ID. I can see how to check for an input@id instance that doesn't match any label@for in the entire document, but I have not figured out how to restrict to checking just in the stack
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  362. # [15:26] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I'd walk up the stack as long as the stack nodes have the label/for bit set on the mask
  363. # [15:27] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: and also having the actual @for values on the stack
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  365. # [15:27] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: OK, I see
  366. # [15:28] <hsivonen> the bit mask doesn't help with worse-case time complexity of walking the stack every time, but at least it makes the best case a lot better
  367. # [15:29] <hsivonen> (presumably common case, too)
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  370. # [15:31] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: I had just forgotten that the ancestor bits are copied down
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  372. # [15:34] * hsivonen wonders if two snapshots of the tree builder during a given parse can ever differ in terms of mode, original mode, foreign flag, form pointer or head pointer if the stack and the list of active formatting elements have the same contents in the two snapshots
  373. # [15:35] <hsivonen> that is, if the tree builder goes through balanced pushes and pops, does it always end up in the same mode where it started
  374. # [15:35] <hsivonen> ?
  375. # [15:36] <hsivonen> if one of the snapshots is always taken immediately after </script> has been popped
  376. # [15:36] <hsivonen> at least </script> guarantees that the headPointer has been set (or we are in the fragment case)
  377. # [15:46] <hsivonen> it seems that the form element pointer can be set to null without popping the node it pointed to
  378. # [15:46] <hsivonen> right?
  379. # [15:54] <hsivonen> How do I save the file that I'm viewing in Opera 8.65 for S60 locally?
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  445. # [20:37] <hsivonen> http://twitter.com/ilinsky/status/1387916636
  446. # [20:37] <hsivonen> "he" being Hixie as far as I can tell
  447. # [20:39] <annevk3> it was in reply to http://twitter.com/shepazu/status/1387879523 so yes
  448. # [20:41] <annevk3> I'm not sure if Hixie is a fan of ARIA though :p
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  453. # [20:51] <annevk3> the paragraph in section 8.1 no longer points to he next section
  454. # [20:51] <annevk3> guess I need to e-mail that again...
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  495. # [21:52] <annevk3> Hixie, you still need an IETF WG of some sorts to actually get to RFC status right?
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  535. # [23:47] <annevk3> heh, they renamed ES 3.1 to ES 5
  536. # [23:50] <takkaria> ^_^
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  540. # [23:56] <Hixie> really?
  541. # [23:56] <heycam> surely that announcement is a day too early!
  542. # [23:57] <Philip`> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2009-March/009111.html
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