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  74. # [11:30] <Hixie> crap, misentered the url in the recent twitter
  75. # [11:30] <Hixie> hm.. how do i set up a redirect on wordpress...
  76. # [11:31] <Lachy> Hixie, .htaccess
  77. # [11:32] <Hixie> can you set one up? i think the blog is under your account
  78. # [11:32] <Hixie> oh hey
  79. # [11:32] <Hixie> it works already
  80. # [11:32] <Hixie> that's awesome
  81. # [11:32] <Lachy> do you mean this link http://blog.whatwg.org/?p=659 ?
  82. # [11:33] <Hixie> no i meant "http://blog.whatwg.org/help-us-review-htm", but it automatically forwards it already
  83. # [11:33] <Hixie> so no need
  84. # [11:34] <Lachy> ah, I looked at the Hixie twitter acct, not the whatwg one
  85. # [11:35] <Hixie> following discussions on twitter is night on impossible
  86. # [11:35] <Hixie> i've no idea wtf gsnedders and cwilso are talking about
  87. # [11:35] <Hixie> and i follow them both
  88. # [11:35] <Lachy> the way WP has been set up is to treat blog.whatwg.org/(.*) as the title, and then it just searches the db for the closest match
  89. # [11:35] <Hixie> so you'd think i'd be able to work it out
  90. # [11:35] <Hixie> Lachy: indeed
  91. # [11:36] <Lachy> I generally don't follow twitter conversations much
  92. # [11:36] <Lachy> I would follow more if I could get tircd working, but I can't get my IRC client to connect to it properly
  93. # [11:36] <Hixie> oh?
  94. # [11:37] <Hixie> what does it do?
  95. # [11:37] <Hixie> i don't see why x-chat would fail
  96. # [11:37] <Hixie> you're joining the #twitter channel?
  97. # [11:37] <Hixie> and sending it the password?
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  99. # [11:38] <Lachy> yes. X-Chat just says "Connected. Now logging in...", but never proceeds any further.
  100. # [11:38] <Hixie> what does tircd's console say?
  101. # [11:39] <Lachy> it gives an error. I will try now and see
  102. # [11:40] <Lachy> $ ./tircd.pl tircd.cfg
  103. # [11:40] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:36:23 2009] tircd 0.7 started, using config from: tircd.cfg.
  104. # [11:40] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:36:23 2009] Listening on: 127.0.0.1:6667.
  105. # [11:40] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:36:33 2009] 127.0.0.1 connected.
  106. # [11:40] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:36:51 2009] [Lachy] 127.0.0.1 disconnected.
  107. # [11:40] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:36:51 2009] [Lachy] storage_path is not set or is not writable, not saving configuration.
  108. # [11:40] <Hixie> i wonder why xchat is disconnecting
  109. # [11:41] <Hixie> you sure you got the right password?
  110. # [11:41] <Lachy> I disconnected it myself, cause otherwise it just sits there doing nothing forever
  111. # [11:41] <Hixie> oh
  112. # [11:41] <Lachy> I've left if go for several minutes on previous attempts with no luck
  113. # [11:41] <Hixie> after it says logging in, if you type /motd, or /join #twitter, what happens?
  114. # [11:42] <gsnedders> Hixie: fail.
  115. # [11:42] <Hixie> gsnedders: ?
  116. # [11:42] <gsnedders> Hixie: We're talking about what @karlpro said
  117. # [11:42] <gsnedders> But he says a lot so that might not help :)
  118. # [11:42] <Hixie> i figured that out, but couldn't work out what karl had said
  119. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - tircd Message of the Day -
  120. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - This code is uber alpha, if you got this far, consider yourself lucky
  121. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * -
  122. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - /join #twitter to get started!
  123. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * -
  124. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - /stats to set configurable options.
  125. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * -
  126. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - Please submit bug reports here: http://code.google.com/p/tircd/issues/list
  127. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * -
  128. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - Thanks for using tircd,
  129. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * -
  130. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * - @tircd on twitter. <tircd@crazybrain.org>
  131. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * End of /MOTD command.
  132. # [11:44] <Hixie> and did you try /join #twitter?
  133. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * NICKSERV :Unable to send direct message. Perhaps NICKSERV isn't following you?
  134. # [11:44] <Lachy> [11:39] * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
  135. # [11:44] <Lachy> yes
  136. # [11:44] <Hixie> why are you sending a msg to NICKSERV?
  137. # [11:45] <Hixie> if you get the motd, as you do, that means you are connecting properly
  138. # [11:45] <Lachy> [Sun Apr 5 11:41:30 2009] 127.0.0.1 connected.
  139. # [11:45] <Lachy> Can't call method "http_code" on an undefined value at ./tircd.pl line 910.
  140. # [11:45] <Lachy> $
  141. # [11:45] <Hixie> o_O
  142. # [11:45] <Hixie> interesting
  143. # [11:45] * Hixie looks at tircd.pl line 910
  144. # [11:46] <Lachy> I have x-chat setup to automatically send the password, and it must be trying /msg nickserv with it by default
  145. # [11:46] <Hixie> that's not the kind of password you should be sending
  146. # [11:46] <Lachy> that's how it works with freednode at least
  147. # [11:46] <Hixie> you should be sending an IRC password, not a nick services password
  148. # [11:47] <Lachy> oh, ok.
  149. # [11:47] <Lachy> now it works
  150. # [11:47] <Hixie> :-)
  151. # [11:48] * jgraham is thoroughly confused about InCoreignContent and isn't sure if he is silly or if the spec is broken
  152. # [11:48] <jgraham> *InForeignContent
  153. # [11:48] <Hixie> spec could definitely be broken
  154. # [11:48] <Lachy> it still complains about storage_path not being writable. Maybe I need to set that to something different in the cfg file
  155. # [11:48] <jgraham> I think waht hsivonen says about making foreigness a flag makes sense
  156. # [11:48] <Hixie> Lachy: i just ignored that message
  157. # [11:49] <Hixie> jgraham: it would be helpful to see an example showing that the two ways of speccing it aren't black-box identical
  158. # [11:49] <jgraham> The case that html5lib chokes on at the mometn is like <svg><foreignContent><table></table></foreignContent><g></g>
  159. # [11:49] <Lachy> ok
  160. # [11:50] <Hixie> jgraham: send me a mail, i'll have a look at some point
  161. # [11:50] <jgraham> Because the <table> changes the insertion mode to InTable so the <g> is processed InBody, notInForeignContent
  162. # [11:50] <Lachy> now I just need to figure out how to make tircd.pl run automatically on startup, instead of requiring me to start it manually in terminal
  163. # [11:51] <Hixie> use a launchd script
  164. # [11:51] <Lachy> how?
  165. # [11:51] <jgraham> Hixie: You a mail or WHATWG or public-html or…
  166. # [11:51] <jgraham> Maybe I should start twittering bugs. It seems to be what all the cool kids are doing
  167. # [11:52] <Hixie> jgraham: whichever (direct mail if you want me to just look at it and say if it's a spec bug or not)
  168. # [11:52] <Hixie> Lachy: hold o
  169. # [11:52] <Hixie> n
  170. # [11:53] <Hixie> Lachy: put a file in ~/Library/LaunchAgents
  171. # [11:53] <Hixie> google for the syntax
  172. # [11:53] <Hixie> i don't seem to have ever done an on-boot one
  173. # [11:54] <Hixie> only cronjob-like things
  174. # [11:54] <Lachy> ok. I'll look into that later
  175. # [11:55] <Lachy> right now, I have to organise my trip to London and Paris next week
  176. # [11:55] <Hixie> nn
  177. # [11:56] <jgraham> Hixie: Mail sent. Goodnight
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  179. # [12:01] <jgraham> Lachy: Londaon and Paris? Now you're just showing off
  180. # [12:04] <Lachy> jgraham, the coach tour to Paris departs from London. But I wanted to go to London anyway to see my friends there
  181. # [12:04] <jgraham> Oh, OK if you're going on a coach tour it just makes you sound old :)
  182. # [12:07] <Lachy> the tour should be too full of old people. It's going to Euro Disney, so I expect families will be on it
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  193. # [14:35] <gsnedders> I want to go out somewhere and read a book. Only issue: I can't decide where to go.
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  195. # [14:42] <Dashiva> The library
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  197. # [14:44] <gsnedders> That's indoors.
  198. # [14:44] <gsnedders> And I think shut.
  199. # [14:45] <Dashiva> The lawn in front of the library then
  200. # [14:45] <gsnedders> There isn't one.
  201. # [14:45] <gsnedders> n00b
  202. # [14:45] <Dashiva> The lawn L satisfying min(d(L,library))
  203. # [14:46] <gsnedders> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+andrews,+fife&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.146196,39.550781&ie=UTF8&ll=56.3397,-2.795996&spn=0.001432,0.002414&t=h&z=19
  204. # [14:46] <gsnedders> The library is the building in the middle of that picture
  205. # [14:46] <gavin_> I see lawns on that map
  206. # [14:46] <Dashiva> Looks like a great lawn by the bus stop
  207. # [14:47] <gsnedders> Me too. But several are in church yard and aren't open.
  208. # [14:47] <gsnedders> That's a private garden.
  209. # [14:47] <gavin_> doesn't look very private to me
  210. # [14:47] <gsnedders> And the nearest lawn I could sit on <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st+andrews,+fife&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.146196,39.550781&ie=UTF8&ll=56.338778,-2.798131&spn=0.001432,0.002414&t=h&z=19> is technically school ground and thus depressing
  211. # [14:54] * gsnedders heads off, intending to go to the beach, but maybe will just sit around on the Old Course isntead
  212. # [14:54] <gsnedders> *instead
  213. # [14:54] <gsnedders> (It is common ground on a Sunday)
  214. # [14:56] <gsnedders> (Legally it is common ground all the time, it's just golf is forbidden (by law) on a Sunday)
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  245. # [20:29] <Hixie> jgraham: i assume you meant <foreignObject> not <foreignContent>
  246. # [20:32] <Hixie> hsivonen: i don't really understand how a flag for foreign content would work. Wouldn't it just be like having a second "state" which was either "foreign" or "whatever the secondary mode is", with the secondary mode being what the insertion mode is now?
  247. # [20:32] <Hixie> what's the benefit of doing it that way?
  248. # [20:33] <Hixie> it seems like you end up with an extra "if" statement per token
  249. # [20:35] * gsnedders is failing to work out what to write as a final sentence of his Englsih dissertation
  250. # [20:36] <Hixie> i recommend not writing it like that sentence
  251. # [20:36] <gsnedders> That, on the whole, is a good idea.
  252. # [20:50] <jgraham> Hixie: Yes, I meant foreignObject
  253. # [20:50] <Hixie> i replied to the e-mail
  254. # [20:51] <jgraham> Hixie: Yeah, I saw, thanks
  255. # [20:55] <jgraham> Tip for browser developers: if search can't find a string in a document, it probably also won't finda longer string for which that is a substring
  256. # [20:59] <jgraham> Woo. html5lib passes the tiny number of foreign content tests
  257. # [20:59] <jgraham> (it turned out that the least bug was a missing break statement)
  258. # [21:00] <jgraham> *last
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  260. # [21:09] <gsnedders> This is horrible.
  261. # [21:10] <gsnedders> How can I end 4,500 words?
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  263. # [21:11] <svl> "Rocks fall, everbody dies"?
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  265. # [21:17] <Philip`> "And then I woke up."
  266. # [21:20] <Dashiva> Exeunt omnes
  267. # [21:20] <jgraham> QED
  268. # [21:21] <jgraham> gsnedders: What is the second-to-last sentence?
  269. # [21:22] <gsnedders> well, provided the absolute final paragraph doesn't become more than one sentence:
  270. # [21:22] <gsnedders> "The outcome of the other loves and lusts of Van are never given, though may well be equally morbid. Lucette's suicide does not stop Van and Ada's love: it brings them back together after their father banishing them from each other, for their love to continue unabated, with all the passion it had prior to their separation."
  271. # [21:23] <Philip`> You could replace the ':' with a '.', and then your second-to-last sentence would become two sentences and therefore would provide the last sentence.
  272. # [21:23] <gsnedders> That would only make a statement about one of the three texts though
  273. # [21:24] <jgraham> Alternatively go with "Which would never happen in reality, so proving how silly the whole thing is."
  274. # [21:25] <jgraham> (Actully it sounds like you could just stop it there. Unless you were tring to make some oher point in which case you should consider mentioning that)
  275. # [21:26] <gsnedders> This is why I dislike several hundred word conclusions: I never know how to conclude them.
  276. # [21:29] <gsnedders> I dislike what I just wrote as it results in a final page with one word.
  277. # [21:29] <gsnedders> "The destructiveness of the relationships within all three novels is ultimately caused by the idealistically perfect love that the protagonists thrive upon: in an age-old romantic novel, love would prevail; in these novels, all does not end well."
  278. # [21:30] <gsnedders> Right, now at 5,339 words.
  279. # [21:31] <gsnedders> (Limit is 4,500)
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  286. # [21:47] <noocx> hi
  287. # [21:47] <Philip`> Hello
  288. # [21:47] <noocx> can you tell me where should i find ui experts who knows faceted classification?
  289. # [21:48] * Philip` can't, since he has no idea what it is
  290. # [21:49] <noocx> http://flamenco.berkeley.edu
  291. # [21:49] <Philip`> This probably isn't the right channel for that kind of thing
  292. # [21:50] <noocx> yes, that's why i asked
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  294. # [21:56] <jgraham> gsnedders: If you have to cut 1000 words, it seems silly to worry about the aesthetics of the final page layout at this stage :)
  295. # [21:56] <gsnedders> jgraham: That's why I'm not caring at this stage :)
  296. # [21:56] <gsnedders> jgraham: I also need to reset the entire thing in Times New Roman, 12pt, ragged right, for some reason best known to the SQA.
  297. # [21:56] <jgraham> noocx: why do you think this channel is the right place to find the people who do know abou that kind of thing?
  298. # [21:56] <noocx> jgraham: found on google:D
  299. # [21:56] <jgraham> gsnedders: Also: start cutting words and then reread the ending. Once you have condensed your essay and reduced the repetition, you you will have a much clearer idea of what your essay is about and how to summarise it
  300. # [21:56] <jgraham> noocx:Ironically if Google were perfect people presumably wouldn't be working on novel search interfaces
  301. # [21:56] * jgraham waits for Philip` to point out that that isn't really true
  302. # [21:58] <Philip`> Are you assuming people never reinvent wheels?
  303. # [21:58] <gsnedders> But I thought all shapes already had a name!
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  305. # [22:16] <gsnedders> getting my mother to use a computer is highly stressful
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