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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 18 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> but that's nothing new
  4. # [00:00] <annevk2> and that therefore using ARIA (which is invalid) is fine
  5. # [00:00] <Hixie> aria is invalid?
  6. # [00:00] <Lachy> ok
  7. # [00:00] <othermaciej> sicking: I'm glad I'm not the only one to fail to communicate with Anders Rundgren
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  9. # [00:00] <annevk2> Hixie, the validator complaints about bits I believe
  10. # [00:00] <Hixie> is this a bug in the validator? or is he saying that violating aria's own rules is fine?
  11. # [00:01] <Hixie> i'm even more confused now than i was before!
  12. # [00:01] <annevk2> Hixie, I don't really understand what his aim is either; validation seems useful regardless of whether you use some extensions that not validate currently
  13. # [00:01] <annevk2> Hixie, hsivonen doesn't support e.g. landmark roles
  14. # [00:03] <Hixie> ok...?
  15. # [00:05] <annevk2> I had nothing else. (Could also be that it's not about validators and just about the HTML5 spec not "blessing" WAI-ARIA I suppose.)
  16. # [00:05] <Hixie> well yeah, we haven't done that yet
  17. # [00:05] <Hixie> we can't very well do that until aria is ready for it
  18. # [00:05] <Hixie> i even sent feedback on that very topic recently
  19. # [00:07] <annevk2> yeah, me too
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  21. # [00:08] <annevk2> I suppose I should just stop reading rants from John Foliot because they are indeed confusing and not very nice. E.g. "I am dismissing many of your arguments based upon the process and procedure that Ian applies (deny, ignore, stall)."
  22. # [00:09] <Hixie> q.v. the earlier discussion of how to tell who's actually acting in good faith and who isn't. :-)
  23. # [00:09] <annevk2> Irrespective of whether what he says about you is true, it would be nice if he and I could converse normally, but I guess that's not possible.
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  35. # [00:43] <gsnedders> Oh dear… Someone using PHP 4.3.3RC2
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  49. # [01:40] <jwalden> somebody in here should fix the note on <http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Web_ECMAScript> about eval: a use of eval not called "eval" does not necessarily work according to ECMA-262 ed. 3; see section 16, and note that (mentally fixing borken spacing due to a half-broken PDF) "An i mpl ement at i on may t r eat any i nst ance of t he f ol l owi ng ki nds of r unt i me er r or s as a synt ax er r...
  50. # [01:40] <jwalden> ...or and therefore r epor t i t ear l y: • Usi ng t he eval propert y ot her t han vi a a di rect cal l ."
  51. # [01:40] <jwalden> var x = eval; // not a direct call
  52. # [01:40] <Hixie> it's a wiki, you are welcome to edit it :-)
  53. # [01:40] <jwalden> I don't think I have a login yet, and I'm preoccupied right now :-)
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  70. # [03:02] <Hixie> crap, i don't know how to do multi-row selection in <datagrid>
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  75. # [03:11] <karlcow> I'm using style attributes most of the time for very local and specific style rule (which font element doesn't cover). Such as modifying the style of an image for a one time. <img style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:350px;" …/> I haven't found a better way of doing it.
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  79. # [03:20] <Hixie> ok, <datagrid> mark II is now checked in
  80. # [03:20] <Hixie> i'm sure it has issues
  81. # [03:20] <Hixie> e.g. the content model makes no sense anymore
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  175. # [10:08] <jgraham> jwalden: The point re: eval is that ES5 allows x = eval; x() to throw but browsers don't do that, they call something like eval but possibly in a different scope
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  177. # [10:09] <jgraham> So it seems at least plausible that there are sites that rely on that not throwing
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  180. # [10:31] <zcorpan_> "HTML 5 is at least as far off implementation as XHTML 2 is. There is nowhere near as much need to discuss XHTML 2 because it is a finished stable product just waiting to be implemented. It will probably be at least another 10 years (if ever) before HTML 5 reaches that same point." -- http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4226031#post4226031
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  188. # [10:55] <zcorpan_> Hixie: s/Either: Nothing./Either: Empty./
  189. # [10:57] * zcorpan_ wonders whether <datalist>foo<table></table></datalist> is allowed
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  207. # [11:37] <zcorpan_> hmm, maybe the last argument to addColumn() should be *in*visible? it's weird when absent argument is the same as true
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  211. # [12:18] <takkaria> zcorpan_: hmm, interesting thread
  212. # [12:18] <takkaria> apparently "it is impossible to write documents about Julius Cesar, Moses or dinosaurs using HTML 5" on teh third thread
  213. # [12:21] <takkaria> *third page
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  243. # [16:12] <takkaria> if the HTTP WG care more about theoretical purity than having people actually implement the spec as written, they should rename the Referer header Referrer
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  245. # [16:17] <Philip`> takkaria: But that would break non-browser UAs, which is unacceptable
  246. # [16:17] <Philip`> (Browsers deserve to be broken because they ignore the current specs anyway)
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  313. # [21:42] <annevk2> hmm, can you post arbitrary HTML to www-archive?
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  315. # [21:42] <annevk2> if you then slip such a link to a W3C Member you can presumably read all kinds of information from Member only pages
  316. # [21:42] <annevk2> seems dangerous
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  318. # [21:44] <Philip`> annevk2: I guess it would be contained within lists.w3.org, and you couldn't access www.w3.org?
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  320. # [21:45] <Philip`> (but it seems nobody has cared to fix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-validator/2009Mar/0005.html so you can access Member-only pages on www.w3.org anyway)
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  323. # [22:01] <annevk2> Philip`, there is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/
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  327. # [22:15] <annevk2> "Seven Things You Probably Don't Know About Me"... hmm
  328. # [22:16] <annevk2> 1. I stopped doing memes. 2-7. See 1. Harharhar.
  329. # [22:17] <gsnedders> :P
  330. # [22:17] <annevk2> What would be the appropriate markup for such a list?
  331. # [22:18] <gsnedders> <ol><li value=1>I stopped doing memes.<li min=2 max=7>See 1.</ol><p>Harharhar.
  332. # [22:18] <gsnedders> (I know that doesn't work.)
  333. # [22:18] <gsnedders> For those who don't read what I blog within two minutes: http://gsnedders.com/seven-things-you-probably-dont-know-about-me
  334. # [22:18] <Philip`> <p>1. I stopped doing memes. 2-7. See 1. Harharhar.</p>
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  337. # [22:23] <annevk2> http://bitworking.org/news/425/atompub-is-a-failure he's blaming browsers in a non-negative way; that's new
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  340. # [22:37] * Philip` might be more interested in AtomPub if he actually had any idea what it was
  341. # [22:37] <Philip`> I must have read dozens of blog posts talking about it, and I still have no idea
  342. # [22:41] <annevk2> it's a protocol to manipulate content over HTTP
  343. # [22:41] * gsnedders needs to stop doing pointless Facebook quizzes
  344. # [22:44] <annevk2> Philip`, if that is too abstract you might just want to read the spec: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5023
  345. # [22:44] <Philip`> HTTP is a protocol that lets me manipulate content over HTTP :-)
  346. # [22:45] <Philip`> annevk2: I think that's a bit too concrete
  347. # [22:46] <annevk2> Philip`, get over it
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  350. # [22:52] <sayrer> Philip`: it's just a way to sequence certain kinds of HTTP requests. A protocol, if you will.
  351. # [22:58] * gsnedders wonders how to not panic at the prospect of a phone interview
  352. # [22:58] <Dashiva> Talk to strangers on the phone in advance
  353. # [22:58] <Dashiva> Have your friends prank call you at random times of day to answer questions
  354. # [22:58] <gsnedders> But that's scary!
  355. # [22:59] <Dashiva> Realize that in reality, the phone is scared of you
  356. # [22:59] <gsnedders> Also, if I do that, they'll likely phone up at 2am, drunk, asking for pizza.
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  361. # [23:30] <gsnedders> annevk2: I do like your second latest blog post.
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