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  22. # [01:07] <Hixie> man, i didn't notice the whatwg list had gotten so popular
  23. # [01:08] <Hixie> we're up to 992 members
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  25. # [01:21] <Hixie> holy batman, check out the amount of metadata on http://www.house.gov/
  26. # [01:22] * Hixie fails to find a page that anyone would ever want to do anything with that has this metadata
  27. # [01:22] <Hixie> if anyone reading these logs finds pages with this metadata where the metadata would actually be useful, please do let me know
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  106. # [10:06] * jgraham particularly likes how house.gov has a <meta name=" DC.relation.conformsTo" content=""> where the content attribute lists lots of specificaions including XHTML 1.1, even though it doesn't even pass the machine-checkable conformnce criteria for that specificaion
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  111. # [10:19] <Hixie> jgraham: it doesn't even pass the machine-checkable conformnce criteria for the "DC.relation.conformsTo" metadata item
  112. # [10:20] <Hixie> jgraham: so technically it doesn't _actually_ claim to support those...
  113. # [10:20] <Hixie> s/support/conform to/
  114. # [10:23] <fearphage> is this a place i can ask xhr questions or is there a better place?
  115. # [10:24] <Philip`> DC.relation.conformsTo is a refutation of the idea that there's no value in namespaces being URIs because you can look for the terms on Google instead to find the appropriate specification
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  125. # [10:52] <Philip`> https://www.bethere.co.uk/ - "Please Note: Copy & paste is not permitted in this field" - why do they go to so much trouble to intentionally disable useful features?
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  161. # [15:11] <Philip`> So, Opera now has Opera Turbo to optimise bandwidth usage on slow/expensive links
  162. # [15:11] <Philip`> The question is: How long will it take until the savings from Turbo exceed the bandwidth I have to use in order to download the latest version of Opera?
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  168. # [17:12] * Topic is 'WHATWG (HTML5) -- http://www.whatwg.org/ -- Logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  169. # [17:12] * Set by annevk on Thu Feb 05 13:51:18
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  179. # [17:48] <gsnedders> http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/9689 — more yay
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  212. # [20:52] <eric_carlson> Hixie: ping?
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  214. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: I am going to have to run so I will leave my question here for you to find later
  215. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: the spec says that a media element that isn't in the DOM should not be collected until there is not more audio to play
  216. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: and mentions paused(), ended(), and rate==0 as things to consider before allowing collection
  217. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: it doesn't say what to do with a file that is slow to load
  218. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: eg. 'new Audio("http://....")' may not be playable before the collector runs
  219. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: so I think the spec should mention this case, but I am not sure what the guidance should be
  220. # [21:06] <eric_carlson> Hixie: maybe at least wait until readyState >= HAVE_METADATA?
  221. # [21:07] <eric_carlson> Hixie: I will look for you later to chat
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  228. # [21:47] <gsnedders> What does & do before a variable name in a function definition in C++?
  229. # [21:48] <Philip`> Makes it pass-by-reference instead of pass-by-value
  230. # [21:49] <gsnedders> What's the difference between pass by reference and passing by pointer?
  231. # [21:49] <Hixie> it's an operator that returns a pointer with the address of the variable, right?
  232. # [21:49] <Hixie> the address of its operand, i should say
  233. # [21:49] <gsnedders> (Which is what * does, right?)
  234. # [21:49] <Philip`> i.e. the argument is not (as it would otherwise be) a copy of the parameter's value; it's the same variable
  235. # [21:50] <Hixie> oh in a function definition
  236. # [21:50] <Hixie> never mind
  237. # [21:50] * Hixie shuts up
  238. # [21:50] <Philip`> gsnedders: Syntax
  239. # [21:50] <gsnedders> Philip`: Then why does one function definition in moz use both? :P
  240. # [21:50] <Philip`> The implementation of "void f(T& x)" and "void f(T* x)" is identical; the only difference is that in the first case you can refer to the value as "x", in the second case you have to use "*x"
  241. # [21:51] <Philip`> gsnedders: Probably a combination of conventions
  242. # [21:52] <Philip`> e.g. it's sometimes conventional to pass output arguments by pointer (so it's explicit)
  243. # [21:52] <Philip`> and it's usually conventional to pass complex data types by reference (since it's more efficient than passing by value, and you don't have to worry about all the * syntax)
  244. # [21:54] <gsnedders> Parsing of media types is crazy.
  245. # [21:57] <Philip`> I suggest building a lookup table for all media type strings
  246. # [22:02] * gsnedders doesn't quite understand what Gecko does
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  263. # [22:30] <gsnedders> Hmm, there seems to be nothing to stop a media type containing multiple forward chars
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