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  5. # [00:09] <Darxus> CSS handling between just chrome, firefox 3.5, and opera mobile is amaizingly inconsistent.
  6. # [00:09] <Hixie> woo, the ietf finally decided to accept the updated websocket i-d
  7. # [00:09] <Hixie> i guess their meeting of no productivity must be over
  8. # [00:11] <Darxus> Congratulations.
  9. # [00:12] <Hixie> why congratulations?
  10. # [00:12] <Hixie> it's an automated system, they just had it disabled while they were meeting
  11. # [00:12] <Hixie> lest anyone actually do anything useful
  12. # [00:13] <Darxus> Ah, I see.
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  17. # [00:35] <ap> Hixie: do IETF websocket draft diffs go anywhere, similar to http://twitter.com/WHATWG ?
  18. # [00:35] <Hixie> they in fact go to http://twitter.com/WHATWG
  19. # [00:36] <Hixie> e.g. http://twitter.com/WHATWG/status/2506761249
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  21. # [00:40] <tfh> Hixie: would me creating an early Perl client/server websocket implementation be any help? I was thinking building a prototype would help flush out any ambiguities/problems in the spec
  22. # [00:40] <Hixie> sure
  23. # [00:40] <tfh> okay :)
  24. # [00:41] <Hixie> what would be especially useful is finding out how websocket works with proxies
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  26. # [00:44] <tfh> I guess it might be thwarted a bit if proxies insist on buffering responses or similar, hm
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  78. # [03:06] <ezyang> Hmm... curious. So it looks like a numeric entity for \r shows up as \r
  79. # [03:07] <Hixie> in the spec?
  80. # [03:08] <ezyang> oh no, it looks like I misread
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  85. # [03:30] <Hixie> god i hate the gzip module on apache
  86. # [03:30] <Hixie> i can't get it to work when i want it to, and i can't get it to go away when i need no compression
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  88. # [03:36] <ezyang> I cna't find the "support '+' prefixes in integers" edit in the HTML spec
  89. # [03:37] <ezyang> oh, that's because I'm in the wrong area of the spec
  90. # [03:40] <Hixie> SetEnv no-gzip 1
  91. # [03:40] <Hixie> is what disables gzipping on apache 2.x
  92. # [03:40] <Hixie> good to know
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  180. # [10:42] <annevk4> hmm
  181. # [10:42] <GPHemsley> agreed
  182. # [10:42] <annevk4> most of CSSOM View does not seem to take into account multiple boxes :/
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  231. # [14:37] <Lachy> annevk4, yt?
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  233. # [14:38] <Lachy> or anyone familiar with the Web Databases spec?
  234. # [14:39] <Lachy> in the executeSql() method, I can't tell what is supposed to happen when the SQL statemen† contains fewer question marks than there are items in the arguments array.
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  237. # [14:39] <Lachy> e..g transaction.executeSql("INSERT INTO t(id, label) VALUES (?, ?)", [2, "Two", "foo"], statementCallback, errorCallback);
  238. # [14:41] <Lachy> nevermind, I misread the spec
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  245. # [15:15] <Philip`> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/eu-msft/docs/Microsoft_Interoperability_Undertaking.doc
  246. # [15:15] * Philip` notices potential irony in the file format
  247. # [15:15] <Philip`> "Internet Explorer, as from version 8, in its default settings, shall pass the Acid 2 web page as it exists today (available at www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/ on the date of entry into effect of this Undertaking, assuming that the current version does not undergo substantial revision)."
  248. # [15:15] <Philip`> and also "the conformance test suite provided by W3C (available at www.w3c.org) for the HTML 4.0 specification", and CSS 1.0, and CSS 2.1
  249. # [15:15] <Philip`> Also "beginning on 31 March 2010, Microsoft shall make publicly available complete and accurate documentation of any variations or extensions it has made to the HTML 4.0, CSS 1.0, and CSS 2.1 specifications and to any other final approved web standards published by W3C (as “W3C Recommendations”), ECMA (as “Standards”), or ISO (as “International Standards”) as implemented by Internet Explorer."
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  255. # [16:05] <Dashiva> Philip`: Is the compatability view default or not?
  256. # [16:06] <Philip`> Dashiva: Not for most sites
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  266. # [17:05] <palimpsest> hi
  267. # [17:06] <palimpsest> i'm trying to parse a page that has a very, very deep tag tree
  268. # [17:07] <palimpsest> the parser.parse(document) call takes at least two minutes and maxes out my CPU
  269. # [17:07] <gsnedders|work> With what tree builder?
  270. # [17:07] <palimpsest> BeautifulSoup
  271. # [17:07] <gsnedders|work> That may well be the problem there.
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  273. # [17:07] <palimpsest> hm
  274. # [17:08] <gsnedders|work> Try using cElementTree or lxml instead, and see how quick it is to parse
  275. # [17:08] <palimpsest> ok
  276. # [17:08] <palimpsest> is there a way to limit the depth of the constructed tree?
  277. # [17:09] <gsnedders|work> No
  278. # [17:10] <palimpsest> ok, thanks
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  281. # [17:14] <palimpsest> any idea what it is about BeautifulSoup that's causing the problem?
  282. # [17:14] <gsnedders|work> No idea, it's a blind guess. But BeautifulSoup does generally suck.
  283. # [17:14] <palimpsest> there's existing code for traversing a BeautifulSoup tree I'd prefer to avoid rewriting
  284. # [17:14] <palimpsest> any way to convert between tree types?
  285. # [17:15] <gsnedders|work> Converting won't help, as you'll still have to build the BS one
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  287. # [17:15] <gsnedders|work> (And the answer is no anyway)
  288. # [17:16] <palimpsest> sigh, k, thanks
  289. # [17:16] * Philip` doesn't know why the BS treebuilder would take an unusually long time with deep trees, but hasn't looked at the code enough to know if it's plausible that it's its fault
  290. # [17:16] <palimpsest> the other parsers do seem to be much faster
  291. # [17:16] <palimpsest> http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336301508&customid=feed&toolid=10005&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F20-coupons-Buy-1-Mountain-Dew-20oz-get-a-Vault-FREE_W0QQitemZ300332084204QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS%3AB%3ASRCH%3AUS%3A101
  292. # [17:16] <palimpsest> is the page
  293. # [17:17] <gsnedders|work> heh. predicable. BS sucks.
  294. # [17:17] <Philip`> It might just be that the html5lib code that uses BS is broken, rather than being entirely BS's fault
  295. # [17:17] <palimpsest> oh, i was having the same problem with BeautifulSoup on it's own
  296. # [17:18] <Philip`> Oh, okay
  297. # [17:18] <gsnedders|work> Philip`: I think our BS code is more or less fine, minus bugs caused by working around BS bugs
  298. # [17:19] <Philip`> gsnedders|work: I wrote some of our BS code, so I don't necessarily agree it's fine :-)
  299. # [17:19] <Philip`> but it passed more tests than before I wrote that code
  300. # [17:19] <Philip`> which was good enough for me
  301. # [17:20] <gsnedders|work> Wow. That's a lot of nested font elements.
  302. # [17:20] <palimpsest> yeah.
  303. # [17:21] <palimpsest> i don't really care about them, i just don't want to get stuck parsing the page
  304. # [17:23] <Philip`> I like the bit where it goes </FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=4><P></P><P></P></FONT><!-- End Description --></FONT><FONT size=4><FONT size=5></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>
  305. # [17:24] <Philip`> Of course the real problem is that it doesn't quote its attributes
  306. # [17:24] <gsnedders|work> Yeah, if it did that, we could parse it in no time.
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  309. # [17:27] <palimpsest> i tried preprocessing it with http://countergram.com/software/pytidylib (which was also not fast, but better) but it didn't help
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  397. # [23:46] <annevk2> Hixie, I believe the old algorithm also changed UTF-16 to UTF-8
  398. # [23:46] <annevk2> Hixie, that also seems gone
  399. # [23:46] * jacobolu_ is now known as jacobolus
  400. # [23:46] <Hixie> don't tell me, tell them
  401. # [23:48] <annevk2> I actually did; I wasn't sure whether you were trying to be exhaustive
  402. # [23:49] <annevk2> (I wasn't, FWIW, but I did catch that)
  403. # [23:49] <Hixie> k
  404. # [23:49] <Hixie> heycam: yt?
  405. # [23:49] <Hixie> heycam: is there a way to override the class name of an interface? I have two HTMLCollection interfaces that are different but apparently need to both be HTMLCollection objects.
  406. # [23:50] <Hixie> not sure what should happen if you override HTMLCollection itself
  407. # [23:51] <annevk2> can't the implementation of the interface be different?
  408. # [23:52] <Hixie> the interface itself is different
  409. # [23:52] <Hixie> and in JS, the interfaces _are_ the implementations
  410. # [23:52] <Hixie> since they have prototypes
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