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  31. # [01:10] <TabAtkins> gsnedders: Is there some pun involved? If not, then pass.
  32. # [01:11] <gsnedders> Just the new web, and web.nu is taken
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  38. # [01:30] * gsnedders ponders dropping full support for his blog for anything that doesn't support CSS 2.1
  39. # [01:31] <TabAtkins> Thumbs up from me.
  40. # [01:32] * TabAtkins is finding <time> useful just as a justifiable styling hook.
  41. # [01:32] <TabAtkins> Though I am getting legitimate use out of it too. Would be better if it stored a unix timestamp, but we can't all be perfect.
  42. # [01:32] <gsnedders> But some of the more eccentric things I'd like to use aren't impl in Gecko
  43. # [01:33] <TabAtkins> As long as it's still readable in gecko, it's cool.
  44. # [01:33] <TabAtkins> Anne's blog doesn't work right outside of Opera.
  45. # [01:33] <gsnedders> Anne's blog doesn't work right _in_ Opera
  46. # [01:33] <TabAtkins> Really? Heh, I assumed that he'd been using opera features.
  47. # [01:34] <gsnedders> Nah, he's just deliberately using things browsers don't support so he can make them site compat. bugs to try and get them fixed quicker than just standards bugs :)
  48. # [01:34] <TabAtkins> Ah, I see. ^_^
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  51. # [01:34] <gsnedders> (His name should appear in top left, and doesn't in Opera 10)
  52. # [01:35] <gsnedders> Gah. IE7 still makes up 50% of visitors from IE. :(
  53. # [01:37] <TabAtkins> Yup.
  54. # [01:37] <TabAtkins> What's your ie6 percentage?
  55. # [01:37] <gsnedders> 25% of IE
  56. # [01:37] <TabAtkins> So, what, 15% or so of total? Or are you lucky enough to have a lower-than-normal ie %?
  57. # [01:38] <gsnedders> I am, because out of my vanity I account for a disproportionate number of hits to me site :P
  58. # [01:38] <TabAtkins> Bah, you don't exclude yourself? Cheater!
  59. # [01:38] <gsnedders> I have no easy way to do so :)
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  61. # [01:39] <TabAtkins> dynamic ip?
  62. # [01:39] <gsnedders> Dynamic IP and I travel too much at the moment :)
  63. # [01:39] <TabAtkins> That works.
  64. # [01:40] <gsnedders> 30% of hits to my site are from Opera, which is a bit out of the normal :)
  65. # [01:40] <gsnedders> (The hits from Opera aren't solely me, though, as there are some from versions I don't use.)
  66. # [01:41] <gsnedders> (Basically I'm at 30/30/30 between Opera/Firefox/IE)
  67. # [01:41] <TabAtkins> kk
  68. # [01:41] <gsnedders> SimplePie.org is far more interesting from a UA POV as it inevitably gets way more hits from way more people
  69. # [01:42] <gsnedders> (3000–5000 hits per day, 500–900 unique)
  70. # [01:42] <gsnedders> But that's heavily (67%) Firefox, then 19% Safari, 12% IE, 2% Opera
  71. # [01:43] <TabAtkins> I require SimplePie now. Must set it up tonight.
  72. # [01:43] <TabAtkins> (once I get done working)
  73. # [01:43] <gsnedders> (IE8 is the biggest version of IE at 5%, which makes me somewhat tempted to drop support for anything older when we finally redo the site.)
  74. # [01:48] <TabAtkins> Last time i looked at my company's stats, we were something like 20% ie6, 40% ie7, 10% ie8, 20% ff, and 10% assorted
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  158. # [10:43] <jacobolus> is sendAsBinary a standard thing on XHR, and does it work anywhere except FF3+?
  159. # [10:43] <jacobolus> it seems like a great idea to me
  160. # [10:45] <jacobolus> annevk2, annevk3: maybe you know?
  161. # [10:45] <gsnedders> Non-standard, AFAIK
  162. # [10:47] <jacobolus> yeah, I don't see it in the standard
  163. # [10:47] <jacobolus> I wonder if anyone but FF implements it
  164. # [10:47] <annevk2> jacobolus, I think Firefox implemented some extensions
  165. # [10:47] <annevk2> too bad they didn't prefix them :/
  166. # [10:47] <jacobolus> annevk2: any idea if anyone else is interested in those?
  167. # [10:48] <annevk2> yeah, but not in that form
  168. # [10:48] <annevk2> and the "binary DOMString" concept is also not very attractive imo
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  170. # [10:48] <jacobolus> because sendAsBinary is pretty useful; allows us to avoid doing base64 encoding or base85 encoding or similar for sending bytes to a server
  171. # [10:48] <jacobolus> annevk2: why not very attractive?
  172. # [10:49] <jacobolus> annevk2: it seems like a reasonable solution as long as we don't have any kind of real bytes type in javascript
  173. # [10:51] <annevk2> it seems better to fix the real issue imo
  174. # [10:51] <jacobolus> annevk2: in Orbited, we use this sort of "use the lower byte of each 16-bit code unit" thing for representing bytes
  175. # [10:51] <jacobolus> it's pretty much the only way to do it in current browsers, without browsers adding a new type
  176. # [10:53] <annevk2> sure, but if browsers are going to implement new features they should fix the actual issues imo and not implement stopgap measures
  177. # [10:53] <jacobolus> fair enough :)
  178. # [10:53] <jacobolus> annevk2: is there any chance that that will happen? :)
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  180. # [10:54] <annevk2> i'd like to thinkso
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  183. # [11:00] <jacobolus> well if someone convinces some browsers that they should support sending binary data around, that'd be awesome
  184. # [11:11] <jacobolus> actually, I'm pretty happy with this particular stop-gap though; it's actually a pretty big improvement over the alternative
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