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  4. # [00:02] <Dashiva> "This multicell cloud structure exists until a cold downdraft preceding the cumulonimbus at ground level flows before the cloud at a distance sufficient to disrupt updraft (5–10 kilometers). From this moment on the cumulonimbus cloud quickly degrades and dissipates, forming cirrus spissatus, dense anvil-like cirrus, stratocumulus diurnalis or stratocumulus vesperalis."
  5. # [00:05] <Philip`> Well, duh
  6. # [00:06] <Philip`> I thought that was obvious
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  8. # [00:07] <Philip`> but that's just saying how they change, not how they finally disappear
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  10. # [00:27] <Dashiva> Philip`: Just apply the same method to the resulting cloud until the result isn't a cloud anymore :)
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  12. # [00:32] <Philip`> Dashiva: But that method will result in an infinite number of clouds
  13. # [00:33] <Philip`> which is clearly not the answer, because we would all drown
  14. # [00:33] <Dashiva> Well, the results aren't always clouds
  15. # [00:33] <Philip`> Okay, an infinite number of clouds plus a lot of anvils
  16. # [00:33] <Philip`> if I'm reading your quote correctly
  17. # [00:34] <Dashiva> No, no
  18. # [00:34] <Dashiva> The quote only describes the result when input is cumulonimbus
  19. # [00:34] <Dashiva> A dissipating cirrus spissatus would result in something else
  20. # [00:35] <Philip`> Could you be more specific?
  21. # [00:35] <Philip`> For all I know, it results in another cumolonimbus, twice the size of the original one
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  32. # [00:37] <Dashiva> Philip`: I don't think that jives with "dissipating"
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  90. # [07:23] <hagabaka> hmm, still have to use <a> for linking?
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  96. # [08:47] <deltab> hagabaka: if you mean making something the target of a link, no; that's not been necessary since HTML4
  97. # [08:48] <deltab> hagabaka: instead you can set an id attribute on almost any element
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  99. # [08:49] <deltab> <a href="#section2">section 2</a> ... <div id="section2"> ...
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  106. # [09:22] <boblet> hey all, anyone know what’s up with validator.nu profiles? Pedagogical and polyglot don’t seem to be active
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  147. # [11:42] <Hixie> http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/navigation/unload/001.html
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  149. # [11:51] <annevk42> fwiw, I've often been bit by not changing enctype and type=file
  150. # [11:53] <annevk42> the spec should maybe have some kind of warning around type=file
  151. # [11:53] <annevk42> or an example
  152. # [11:54] <annevk42> Hixie, fun, didn't even know we supported onunload
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  154. # [12:05] <remysharp> Hixie mentioned some time ago how many different type of heading elements there were, do you know if it was 18 or 22?
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  157. # [12:27] <zcorpan_> caption,dt,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,hgroup,label,legend,optgroup,rt,th,title ... are 15
  158. # [12:36] <zcorpan_> "The applet element is a Java-specific variant of the embed element. The applet element is now obsoleted so that all extension frameworks (Java, .NET, Flash, etc) are handled in a consistent manner."
  159. # [12:36] <zcorpan_> is .NET a client-side extension framework?
  160. # [12:36] <annevk42> works in Silverlight I think
  161. # [12:37] <zcorpan_> ah
  162. # [12:41] <gsnedders_> Hixie: Do you have any way of manually adding people to the list yourself?
  163. # [12:41] <gsnedders_> Actually, I know you do in Mailman…
  164. # [12:41] <webben> it's a bit meaningless to count all 6 hX elements as a types of heading elements.
  165. # [12:42] <gsnedders_> Hixie: Seeming I can't get subscribed to it myself, can you try adding gsnedders@op? Also, look to see if gsneddon@op is subscribed?
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  169. # [13:03] <Philip`> webben: Why? They are elements, and they have heading-related semantics
  170. # [13:04] <Philip`> so it seems justifiable to include them in a count of heading elements
  171. # [13:05] <Philip`> "There are already about 18 elements in HTML that have some kind of semantic that basically boils down to "heading" (<head> <title> <h1> - <h6> <hgroup> <header> <strong> <caption> <thead> <th> <label> <legend> <optgroup> <dt>)"
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  175. # [13:17] <daedb> Philip`: Why is <strong> in that list?
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  179. # [13:38] <Philip`> daedb: Ask Hixie :-)
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  183. # [14:10] <daedb> Hixie: Why is <strong> included in the 18-element heading list?
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  186. # [14:28] <webben> daedb: I guess because headings are important text?
  187. # [14:28] <webben> Full disclosure: I've used <strong> in the past when I ran out of h-levels.
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  193. # [15:48] <Dashiva> So if there's no @version, RDFa content is assumed to be the most recent version, and they're expecting incompatible changes between versions. Sounds like fun.
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  211. # [17:54] <Dashiva> Maybe the inline bug report feature should have a note suggesting people include rationales
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  213. # [18:01] <Philip`> Dashiva: A single-line text box seems to actively discourage rationales
  214. # [18:03] <Dashiva> Maybe there should be two boxes, one for the comment and another for rationale. That might be even more effective than a single, larger box.
  215. # [18:03] <Philip`> Don't want to discourage people from quick comments on typos etc, though
  216. # [18:04] <Philip`> Extra boxes might scare people away
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  218. # [18:07] <Dashiva> I don't think losing typo corrections is a big deal, as those can be fixed without any process at all
  219. # [18:07] <Dashiva> Whereas technical changes lead to discussion and can take quite a bit of time to resolve
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  224. # [18:21] <jgraham> I think the feedback thing should have something like Summary: [ ] and Description (optional): [ ] to make it work for typos and other feedback too
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  226. # [18:22] <Dashiva> I don't think that'd help for cases like [Bug 7886] New: Drop applet, marquee
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  228. # [18:25] <jgraham> Hmm... I don't really see what the problem would be. The second box would allow people to provide long rationale
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  230. # [18:28] <Dashiva> Allow, but it wouldn't encourage
  231. # [18:30] <jgraham> Sure but it should be pretty obvious that if you put "drop applet, marquee" with no extra information that doesn't constitute actionable feedback
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