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  28. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> Dammit, <fieldset>. Quit having special arcane rendering rules!
  29. # [01:13] * TabAtkins will be very happy when <legend> and <fieldset> stop being magic.
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  31. # [01:14] <cying> http://www.satine.org/archives/2009/10/16/wuh-working-group/
  32. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> Hehe.
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  39. # [01:28] <Dashiva> I agree with TabAtkins
  40. # [01:28] <Dashiva> Acronyms are much better when pronounced as words
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  43. # [01:30] <TabAtkins> /high-five
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  58. # [02:43] <ilhan> Is this allowed in datime? 2009-06-03T-07:00 meaning time zone is "-7"?
  59. # [02:46] <Lachy> ilhan, no. You need at least an hour and minute for the time
  60. # [02:47] <Lachy> so you could do 2009-06-03T00:00-07:00
  61. # [02:47] <ilhan> ok, thanks a lot
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  102. # [05:59] <TabAtkins> All right, McEvoy is on ignore now. >_<
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  115. # [07:43] <Hixie> does this play for anyone in the uk? http://www.channel4.com/programmes/bremner-bird-and-fortune/4od#2973181
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  120. # [08:42] <annevk42> w3.org down?
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  131. # [09:24] <jgraham> annevk42: WFM now
  132. # [09:24] <annevk42> yup
  133. # [09:24] <annevk42> ta
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  161. # [11:41] <Hixie> really? <textarea> doesn't need magic?
  162. # [11:41] * Hixie is skeptical
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  168. # [11:57] <zcorpan_> i guess we should research all the (r)cdata elements using the current parsing rules and look at pages that contain </foo where foo is the element's tag name
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  174. # [12:24] <gsnedders> http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/detail?r=937a421712e2edc2dbf498040f5ad3d6e13d395b
  175. # [12:25] <zcorpan_> the pronunciation discussion makes me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqpd7WcBmjM
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  192. # [13:26] <gsnedders> Down to one test failure in html5lib!
  193. # [13:26] <Philip`> Delete the test and then you'll be down to zero!
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  195. # [13:28] <jgraham> gsnedders: That last checkin totally needs tests
  196. # [13:28] <jgraham> I mean apart from the one test we already have
  197. # [13:30] * gsnedders finds he's broken it in another way
  198. # [13:30] <jgraham> Since the one existing test didn't catch whatever issues previously existed
  199. # [13:30] <gsnedders> I've now got the html element always in no namespace instead of always in it.
  200. # [13:31] * gsnedders swears that didn't happen when he last ran he test script
  201. # [13:31] <jgraham> gsnedders: I don't remember what code there already is, but does it work correctly with things that require you to look for all the elements in certain categories
  202. # [13:31] <jgraham> Since those lists use (namespace, name) pairs
  203. # [13:32] * gsnedders grumbles at the html element being special cased all over the place
  204. # [13:33] <jgraham> (so you have to check that the .nameTuple property always returns the right thing regardless of whether the element is actually in a namespace or not
  205. # [13:33] <jgraham> )
  206. # [13:35] * gsnedders will get it working today, dammit
  207. # [13:37] <jgraham> Totally different question: anybody have any good advice about how to structure a socket-based program that may get multiple incoming messages in a go or multiple outgoing messages wih no incoming message
  208. # [13:37] <gsnedders> (That's the I-will-not-lose-against-jgraham's-code statement.)
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  210. # [13:39] <jgraham> (the problem being that afaik while True: self.socket.recieve(); self.send_queued_messages(); won't ever process the queued messages unless it recieves a message first)
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  212. # [13:39] <jgraham> (assuming the socket is blocking and so on)
  213. # [13:39] <Philip`> jgraham: Use Twisted instead of synchronous sockets?
  214. # [13:40] <jgraham> (and I'm not horribly misunderstanding the problem space)
  215. # [13:40] <jgraham> (which is possible since I have never written anything more complex than an echoing server with sockets)
  216. # [13:40] <Philip`> jgraham: Use 'accept' (with a timeout) to detect whether there's anything to receive, before doing a blocking receive?
  217. # [13:41] <jgraham> Philip`: I'm avoiding twisted since this is partially just a learning excercise
  218. # [13:41] <jgraham> maybe accept will work
  219. # [13:42] * jgraham guesses he could also try using non-blocking sockets and select
  220. # [13:42] <Philip`> Oh
  221. # [13:42] <Philip`> I meant select, not accept
  222. # [13:42] <Philip`> I think
  223. # [13:43] <Philip`> Ah, yes, I did mean select
  224. # [13:43] <Philip`> You shouldn't need non-blocking sockets, because select will let you detect and avoid the situations that would block
  225. # [13:43] <jgraham> True
  226. # [13:44] <Philip`> unless I'm wrong
  227. # [13:45] <Philip`> But if it's a learning exercise, you ought to learn about Twisted instead of raw sockets :-)
  228. # [13:46] <jgraham> Philip`: Doesn't help if the goal is to learn about raw sockets :)
  229. # [13:46] <jgraham> (I would also like to learn bout twisted but maybe a different day)
  230. # [13:52] <mikekelly> I think there's going to be over-lap between this conneg thread and the resource thread
  231. # [13:52] <mikekelly> hopefully the concept of resources/representations is made clearer by the example I gave involving cache invalidation
  232. # [13:53] <mikekelly> Hixie: did that help explain the distinction?
  233. # [13:54] <mikekelly> and/or the practical benefits of that constraint for intermediaries
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  242. # [15:07] <lazni> is this an appropriate use of <br>? http://lazny.tang.la/jbo/cukta/jbobaucku/jbobaucku.html
  243. # [15:07] <lazni> bible-like sentence numbering
  244. # [15:08] <webben> I would suggest span to wrap your sentences rather than line break
  245. # [15:09] <lazni> I wrap the sentence separator to easily insert it with a yas snippet, <br><span>.i</span>
  246. # [15:09] <webben> if people are supposed to refer to the numbers, I probably wouldn't use CSS.
  247. # [15:10] <lazni> so that I can write sentences more or less normally
  248. # [15:10] <lazni> good point
  249. # [15:10] <webben> i think that's an example of not using good enough authoring tools and letting bad authoring process dictate your deliverable.
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  258. # [16:41] <jgraham> gsnedders: 18:15
  259. # [16:41] <gsnedders> jgraham: When you leave or when you get here?
  260. # [16:42] <jgraham> gsnedders: When we pick you up
  261. # [16:42] <gsnedders> jgraham: Where I suggested?
  262. # [16:42] <jgraham> Where did you suggest?
  263. # [16:43] <gsnedders> jgraham: Djurgårdsgatan
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  266. # [16:44] <jgraham> gsnedders: How about the dorner of there and Barnhemsgatan?
  267. # [16:44] <jgraham> *corner
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  284. # [17:50] <Philip`> gsnedders: You appear to keep accidentally modifying html5lib without adding tests for the changed behaviour :-)
  285. # [17:51] <gsnedders> Philip`: I'm not sure how to get all the tests checking the namespaces on the created nodes
  286. # [17:52] <Philip`> gsnedders: Maybe it would be adequate to have just a .py file doing some custom tests, rather than going through the testdata/*.dat files
  287. # [17:53] <gsnedders> Philip`: The reason why I made another commit was because my prior one had broken stuff with namespacing both enabled and disabled, this seems to work
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  292. # [18:20] <mikekelly> why do I get the impression this Smylers guy isn't actually interested in considering any of the points I make
  293. # [18:20] <mikekelly> he keeps asking for stuff I've already provided
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  295. # [18:28] <webben> mikekelly: Stuff like what?
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  309. # [19:15] <eighty4> would it be semanticly ok to use both a <header> for the head of the page and a <header> in every <article>, containing meta info about a blog post
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  315. # [20:04] <webben> eighty4: if the "meta info" constitutes a "group of introductory or navigational aids", then yes.
  316. # [20:06] <eighty4> webben: h* for the post, date, comment count and permalink to the post.
  317. # [20:06] <webben> sounds okay to me.
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  319. # [20:08] <eighty4> that was my thought, but always good to check here :)
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  357. # [23:55] <cardona507> I am trying to get <video> to work on firefox and my server doesn't support .ogv - I want to change this with an .htaccess file but am having trouble - this is what i have in my .htaccess file: AddType video/ogg .ogv - I am new to .htaccess - can someone help out? I have the .htaccess file in the same directory as the video and index.html
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