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  1. # Session Start: Tue Nov 10 00:00:00 2009
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  3. # [00:00] <JonathanNeal> You'll find out.
  4. # [00:01] <Hixie> i'm skeptical the package exists
  5. # [00:01] <Hixie> it's the third one i've ordered, the previous two being canceled for being "out of stock" after 4 weeks each
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  9. # [00:15] <JonathanNeal> Moon People 2 ?
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  13. # [00:15] <Philip`> You should parallelise by ordering three at once, then getting a refund if more than one arrives
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  21. # [00:29] <Hixie> Philip`: sending stuff back is a huge pain
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  55. # [02:32] <cardona507> TabAtkins - Hello - hows it goin? - have you had a chance to post the CSS video you filmed at TPAC?
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  59. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> cardona507: Hey, thanks for reminding me! TBL sent me the raw video on Saturday, so now I need to rerecord my screencapture to go along with it, then send it back to him for editting.
  60. # [02:44] <TabAtkins> I'll do that tonight.
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  62. # [02:48] <cardona507> cool
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  113. # [04:54] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I'm at the IETF hybi session, getting ready to talk
  114. # [04:55] <MikeSmith> Ian Fette's here too, and john fallows
  115. # [04:55] <MikeSmith> also Chris Blizzard
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  117. # [04:56] <MikeSmith> so.. I'm not planning to say much but instead will let them do most of the talking
  118. # [04:57] <MikeSmith> I have only a 15-minute slot
  119. # [04:58] <MikeSmith> wasn't thinking I could skype you in if you wanted
  120. # [04:58] <MikeSmith> so ping me when you're back around
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  123. # [05:00] <Hixie> MikeSmith: here, but no skype
  124. # [05:00] <MikeSmith> Ok
  125. # [05:01] <MikeSmith> well, I may try to post some notes here during the session
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  128. # [05:03] <Hixie> MikeSmith: i'm listening to the audio stream
  129. # [05:03] <MikeSmith> ah great
  130. # [05:03] <othermaciej> hey MikeSmith
  131. # [05:03] <MikeSmith> othermaciej: hey
  132. # [05:04] <Hixie> and i'm on the jabber channel
  133. # [05:04] <othermaciej> MikeSmith: if no one else mentions it (even though I told a number of people), you can tell them that Apple supports the formation of a Working Group for the WebSocket Protocol and would be willing to join
  134. # [05:05] <othermaciej> I sadly have to head out now but perhaps I shall join jabber if things are still going in an hour
  135. # [05:05] <MikeSmith> othermaciej: cool, ok, will do
  136. # [05:05] <Hixie> according to the agenda they'll have barely gotten started in an hour
  137. # [05:05] * othermaciej feels a little overloaded on standards, especially on bickering about them, after the TPAC week
  138. # [05:06] <Hixie> yeah really
  139. # [05:06] * Hixie is gonna take a few days off
  140. # [05:07] <othermaciej> in retrospect I should have stayed out of the mailing list kerfuffles right after
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  175. # [07:28] <MikeSmith> hi tkent
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  183. # [08:32] <hsivonen> scary. my screen just went pink.
  184. # [08:32] <hsivonen> then I touched the DVI cable and it became normal again
  185. # [08:32] <hsivonen> how can a digital connection have that kind of failure mode?
  186. # [08:33] <Hixie> DVI is also analogue
  187. # [08:33] <Hixie> maybe your monitor is using the analogue signal
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  189. # [08:34] <hsivonen> I very much doubt Apple would do that
  190. # [08:34] <hsivonen> I have an Apple display connected to a Mac using Apple cables
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  198. # [09:05] <jgraham> hsivonen: Different colour channels seem to be on different pins so it doesn't seem like an impossible failure mode
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  200. # [09:13] <hsivonen> jgraham: ok. makes sense
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  203. # [09:27] <hsivonen> I'm confused about the X3D folks talking about text/html and EXI simultaneously
  204. # [09:27] <hsivonen> are X3D models typically small enough to fit in text/html or big enough to need EXI?
  205. # [09:27] <hsivonen> or do they come in both sizes?
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  215. # [09:46] <hsivonen> what does it mean to be a member of the accessibility TF compared to being just a WG participant?
  216. # [09:47] <hsivonen> ah 6 to 8 hours per month
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  222. # [10:01] <Hixie> othermaciej: any idea why the screensaver might have started asking for "the name and password of a user in the "(null)" group"? (and then not accepting any user names and passwords?)
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  224. # [10:03] <othermaciej> Hixie: no idea
  225. # [10:04] <othermaciej> Hixie: I assume you mean the OS X screensaver?
  226. # [10:04] <ment> why is "&notis;" tokenized as "&not;is;" and not like any other non-defined entity name? (just copying "&notis;" to output)
  227. # [10:05] <gsnedders|work> There's no such entity as notis;
  228. # [10:05] <hsivonen> ment: because of backwards compat with &not
  229. # [10:05] <gsnedders|work> And there is an entity not
  230. # [10:06] <gsnedders|work> So the longest matching entity of "notis;" is "not".
  231. # [10:06] <ment> hmm, so good-bye hash-tables, hello tries
  232. # [10:06] <Hixie> othermaciej: yeah
  233. # [10:07] <hsivonen> ment: this area is a bit of a pain and indeed hashtables won't work
  234. # [10:07] <Hixie> othermaciej: no idea how to fix it, but it means a hard-reboot whenever my screensaver triggers
  235. # [10:07] <Hixie> or any time i unsuspend
  236. # [10:07] * hsivonen should get around to implementing this as a trie
  237. # [10:07] <hsivonen> a trie with suspendable search
  238. # [10:07] <hsivonen> and that makes sense as both Java and C++
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  240. # [10:10] <gsnedders|work> PHP html5lib basically uses a trie
  241. # [10:11] * jgraham wonders if it is alarmingly ignorant not to know what a trie is
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  243. # [10:11] <hsivonen> wikipedia to rescue
  244. # [10:12] <othermaciej> Hixie: try turning password locking off and back on perhaps?
  245. # [10:12] <othermaciej> Hixie: also: are you using fast user switching by any chance?
  246. # [10:12] <othermaciej> (wild-ass guessing here)
  247. # [10:12] <Hixie> not using fast-user switching, though i did try toggling that to see if it had an effect
  248. # [10:12] <Hixie> the password locking checkbox appears to be permanently disabled
  249. # [10:12] <Hixie> probably some sort of corporate policy
  250. # [10:13] <othermaciej> do you not have admin rights on your machine?
  251. # [10:13] <Hixie> i do but that checkbox is still disabled
  252. # [10:13] <othermaciej> I did not know that was possible
  253. # [10:13] <Hixie> me either
  254. # [10:14] <Hixie> i discovered it about 10 seconds before you suggested toggling it :-)
  255. # [10:14] * Philip` did entity matching in C++ just as a repeated binary search into a sorted array of entity strings
  256. # [10:14] <Hixie> this machine has some weird stuff going on
  257. # [10:14] <Hixie> e.g. it has two guest accounts
  258. # [10:14] <Hixie> and if i disable login for one, the other one becomes enabled
  259. # [10:14] <Hixie> it's quite odd
  260. # [10:15] <ment> hsivonen: i'm thinking more of a static trie represented as sparse matrix and then packing it into a small table to avoid trie construction in runtime
  261. # [10:16] <hsivonen> ment: I was thinking of packing the data in an int[] in Java
  262. # [10:16] <hsivonen> which would be ugly in C++ but would work there, too
  263. # [10:16] <ment> hsivonen: hmm what do you mean by that?
  264. # [10:17] <hsivonen> ment: using an int[] as memory where pointers are indeces into the array (maybe more than one array for clarity)
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  266. # [10:18] <hsivonen> (avoiding run-time data structure construction in a way that works in both Java and C++ leads to quite some ugliness)
  267. # [10:19] <Philip`> hsivonen: In this case, might it be less ugly to write separate code for Java and C++?
  268. # [10:19] <hsivonen> Philip`: maybe
  269. # [10:19] <ment> hsivonen: ah, you mean using base + index instead of pointers
  270. # [10:19] <hsivonen> ment: right
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  272. # [10:20] <ment> hsivonen: you still get about ~80 branches before you get to desired charref :)
  273. # [10:20] <hsivonen> the construction of the entity tables has probably drawn the most complaints about any part of the C++ version of the parser
  274. # [10:21] <hsivonen> ment: not if you use the character as an index and waste memory by having a lot of empty slots
  275. # [10:22] <Philip`> Just special-case &nbsp; and then everything else is very rare and doesn't need to be fast :-)
  276. # [10:22] <hsivonen> I've also considered using binary search plus then linear search outwards from the index binary search found
  277. # [10:22] <ment> hsivonen: you don't if you pack the transition matrix (256 * number of state) into smaller ones with overlapping states
  278. # [10:22] <hsivonen> as a way to establish the search window in a naive table
  279. # [10:23] <ment> let's make a competition :) faster lookup algorithm wins
  280. # [10:23] <hsivonen> you don't need to make it 256 wide
  281. # [10:25] <ment> btw, http://ibawizard.net/~thement/pth/html5/
  282. # [10:27] <hsivonen> ment: where do you keep the data on which entities require ;?
  283. # [10:27] <ment> hsivonen: uh, come again?
  284. # [10:28] <ment> ah, the ';'
  285. # [10:28] <hsivonen> ment: where do you keep data on which entities require a trailing semicolon
  286. # [10:29] <ment> i had no idea there was such a case
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  289. # [10:33] <Philip`> "&alphax &gtx" = "&alphax >x"
  290. # [10:33] <Philip`> I hope you weren't expecting a modicum of consistency here
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  292. # [10:34] <hsivonen> ment: you didn't notice that the entity table has duplicates of some entities but with a trailing semicolon?
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  294. # [10:34] <hsivonen> and some only have the version with the semicolon
  295. # [10:34] <ment> hsivonen: no, i didn't go through them one-by-one
  296. # [10:34] <hsivonen> so longest match won't match unless there's the semicolon
  297. # [10:35] <pradalvr> Hi crink !!! over here
  298. # [10:36] <ment> hsivonen: i thought that the ref regex was \&[a-zA-Z]+;?
  299. # [10:36] <ment> hsivonen: with parser error when semicolon is missing
  300. # [10:36] <hsivonen> ment: everything is more complicated than it first seems
  301. # [10:36] <crink> pradalvr: yes
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  304. # [10:38] <pradalvr> whats this channel about
  305. # [10:38] <ment> hsivonen: thanks for pointing that out btw
  306. # [10:39] <crink> pradalvr: The Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG) is a growing community of people interested in evolving the Web. It focuses primarily on the development of HTML and APIs needed for Web applications.
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  308. # [10:40] <pradalvr> damn that was smart
  309. # [10:40] <jgraham> pradalvr, ment See /topic (for quite different reasons)
  310. # [10:41] <ment> ... is growing community of people reverse-engineering current browsers. It focuses primarily on the development of more realistic standards.
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  314. # [11:02] <pradalvr> I am having a problem with my blog
  315. # [11:02] <pradalvr> damn it all to hell
  316. # [11:02] <pradalvr> i cant get my sideshow to work
  317. # [11:04] <pradalvr> then again.. maybe not.. y'alls site have Result: 49 errors / 3 warnings
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  319. # [11:08] <annevk> oh, hybi was last night? makes sense I suppose
  320. # [11:09] <annevk> oh well, I was too jetlagged anyway
  321. # [11:09] <hsivonen> was there any conclusion at hybi?
  322. # [11:12] <annevk> not sure
  323. # [11:13] <hsivonen> does the X3D WebGL JS library have any check for native support of X3D?
  324. # [11:15] <Hixie> othermaciej: turns out it was some internal google thing that screwed up my config
  325. # [11:15] <othermaciej> Hixie: that explains it
  326. # [11:16] <annevk> all I can find is https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/76/materials.html#wg-hybi
  327. # [11:16] <Hixie> all fixed now
  328. # [11:16] <othermaciej> hsivonen: did you see the discussion in the X3D bug Sam filed?
  329. # [11:16] <othermaciej> hsivonen: (not that this will answer your question)
  330. # [11:17] <hsivonen> othermaciej: yes
  331. # [11:18] <othermaciej> hsivonen: do you think either of Sam's suggestions are a good idea?
  332. # [11:19] <othermaciej> I'm still not entirely sure why X3D inline in a Web page is a super interesting use case, cause I went to the other session in parallel with that one
  333. # [11:19] <pradalvr> Result: 49 errors / 3 warnings
  334. # [11:20] <pradalvr> on you guys site
  335. # [11:20] <annevk> pradalvr, pointer?
  336. # [11:21] <pradalvr> aww, fixed
  337. # [11:22] * hsivonen tries to work out what two suggestions Sam has made
  338. # [11:23] <pradalvr> Now can someone help me with mine PLEASE
  339. # [11:24] <hsivonen> othermaciej: I think neither suggestion is a good idea
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  341. # [11:25] <hsivonen> othermaciej: I'm not particularly interested in deoptimizing any part of the parser for the sake of a most-favored JS library
  342. # [11:25] <hsivonen> othermaciej: and I don't want to add more interned string footprint and get complaints from other Gecko devs due to me adding too many interned strings
  343. # [11:28] <Philip`> Sounds like HTML5's approach for integrating SVG and MathML is not sufficiently scalable for future centralised extensibility
  344. # [11:28] <hsivonen> SVG and MathML were grandfathered
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  346. # [11:29] <hsivonen> future centralized extensibility should happen within the constraints of HTML, IMO
  347. # [11:29] <othermaciej_> sorry I got disconnected for a sec
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  351. # [11:30] <othermaciej> hmm looks like my comments got lost
  352. # [11:31] <othermaciej> hsivonen: seems like those both refer to the "special case X3D like SVG" suggestion?
  353. # [11:31] <annevk> hsivonen, even with those constraints you'd get more interned strings, no?
  354. # [11:31] <othermaciej> hsivonen: or was one of them about the "tag with uppercase letter and xmlns attribute triggers magic XML-like mode" suggestion?
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  356. # [11:32] <hsivonen> othermaciej: the upper case trigger was what I meant by "deoptimizing"
  357. # [11:32] <othermaciej> hsivonen: I see, cause you'd have to scan every tag? (or at least every tag with an xmlns attribute present)
  358. # [11:32] <hsivonen> annevk: potentially, yes.
  359. # [11:34] <hsivonen> othermaciej: if the first letter of a tag name is in upper case, how do I know if the name is going to be a known one?
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  361. # [11:34] <othermaciej> with the HTML5 solution, you could in theory only lazily intern the strings for vocabularies that you can only enter via a unique root element
  362. # [11:35] <othermaciej> hsivonen: I suppose with Sam's proposal, you would not know what element to create until you parse the attributes
  363. # [11:35] * Philip` notes that making the language partially case-sensitive seems a horrid idea
  364. # [11:35] <hsivonen> othermaciej: not knowing until then is very unattractive
  365. # [11:35] <othermaciej> it's probably worth adding this fact-based information to the bug
  366. # [11:36] <Philip`> (in terms of complexity and inconsistency in the language itself, regardless of implementation concerns)
  367. # [11:36] <othermaciej> adding a completely X3D-specific hook seemed unappealing to me, but I hadn't thought through the effects of the case hack
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  370. # [11:41] * jgraham tends to agree with Philip`
  371. # [11:42] <jgraham> Irrespective of the practial problems with implementation the usability issues with the proposal seem overwhelming
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  375. # [11:46] <Philip`> Usability issues (positive or negative) should take priority over implementation issues anyway, so it seems more important to focus on the former
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  381. # [12:04] <Lachy> jgraham, no, the HTML WG's charter doesn't
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  395. # [13:11] <annevk> I think a hook for structured clones might be useful regardless of whether we split out <canvas>
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  397. # [13:12] <annevk> It might be somewhat useful to be able to construct a FormData object in the UI thread and pass it to a network worker when you're done.
  398. # [13:13] <Philip`> Can't it be sent as a classless object containing more primitive types?
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  401. # [13:15] <annevk> in that case the worker would have to convert it
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  403. # [13:15] <Philip`> If you could send an array of Blobs and DOMStrings then it sounds easy enough
  404. # [13:15] <Philip`> (or whatever the more primitives types are)
  405. # [13:16] <annevk> i guess
  406. # [13:16] <Philip`> and then implementors wouldn't have to worry about how to efficiently transfer the more complex mutable structure across threads
  407. # [13:16] <annevk> FormData is not mutable
  408. # [13:16] <annevk> at least not currently
  409. # [13:16] <annevk> actually, it is mutable I suppose
  410. # [13:17] <annevk> mu
  411. # [13:17] <Philip`> "The FormData object will get a single method called append()" - append sounds like mutation :-)
  412. # [13:17] * Philip` wonders if there's a description of FormData anywhere other than annevk's blog
  413. # [13:17] <annevk> some email on public-webapps
  414. # [13:18] * annevk is adding it to XHR2 as a short break of CSSOM activities
  415. # [13:22] <virtuelv> in looking at the (w3) editors draft of html5, I see there is no actual description of channel messaging
  416. # [13:24] <annevk> chapter 8.3?
  417. # [13:25] <virtuelv> yes
  418. # [13:25] <virtuelv> the interfaces are more than adequately described, but the purpose and use for channel messaging is not
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  420. # [13:27] <hsivonen> so it looks like Closure adds its own custom attributes without prefixing them with data-
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  422. # [13:32] <virtuelv> speaking of custom attributes
  423. # [13:32] <virtuelv> palm pre with its x-mojo attributes
  424. # [13:33] <virtuelv> does anyone know if the framework uses those to generate dom, or whether it just renders native widgets in-place?
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  426. # [13:33] <virtuelv> (and on 8.3: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 )
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  454. # [16:09] <annevk> Philip`, FormData is now a concept in an editor's draft as well
  455. # [16:12] <cardona507> good morning all
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  458. # [16:13] <annevk> I guess I should spec a rough draft of timeouts as well
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  463. # [16:29] <zcorpan_> hmm, setting onclick to a string in ie doesn't throw, but then doesn't do anything magic (like in opera)
  464. # [16:29] <zcorpan_> setting onclick to 1 throws in ie
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  470. # [16:40] <JonathanNeal> Really? Beautiful HTML?
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  479. # [16:53] <JonathanNeal> http://css-tricks.com/examples/CleanCode/Beautiful-HTML.png <-- it may not be required, but isn't a heading still fitting here?
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  489. # [17:04] <JonathanNeal> not beautiful :-|
  490. # [17:04] <annevk> hmm, should timeout dispatch on .upload too?
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  507. # [17:42] <annevk> I don't really like the FileReader API
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  511. # [17:47] <jgraham> annevk: link?
  512. # [17:48] <annevk> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/#dfn-filereader
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  514. # [17:53] <jgraham> It seems... odd.
  515. # [17:53] <jgraham> I don't know if it is good or bad
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  559. # [19:20] <ment> are there any test suites for html5?
  560. # [19:21] <Philip`> For any particular parts of it?
  561. # [19:22] <ment> just to test the parser & tokenizer to check if i've missed anything
  562. # [19:22] <Philip`> http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/browse/#hg/testdata
  563. # [19:23] <Philip`> Format is documented at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Parser_tests
  564. # [19:23] <Philip`> ('tokenizer' and 'tree-construction' directories are relevant)
  565. # [19:23] <ment> nice, thanks
  566. # [19:25] <ment> hmm does html5 parser have to be error-reporting?
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  569. # [19:27] <Philip`> No
  570. # [19:27] <Philip`> The spec doesn't put any requirements on parsers at all
  571. # [19:27] <Philip`> only on things like browsers and validators, which may use parsers
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  573. # [19:28] <Philip`> (Validators have to report parse errors (I think), but browsers don't, and if you're using a parser in a standalone context then you can do whatever you feel like)
  574. # [19:28] <ment> yes, validators should be error-reporting :)
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  596. # [20:01] <zcorpan_> http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=4164 (about canvas)
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  640. # [21:51] <dw> hi there. is there some way to force immediate update of the canvas element? i'm drawing to it rapidly from a setInterval(), and it seems, if i add another unrelated setInterval() that updates another part of the element, it stops drawing entirely
  641. # [21:52] <dw> it seems to be coalescing updates. if i disable the second setInterval, things work as expected
  642. # [21:53] <TabAtkins> It *will* coalesce updates, if I recall correctly, as an automatic optimization. I'm not certain how to force a redraw, though.
  643. # [21:56] <dw> i seem to remember something about pushstate/popstate. might investigate that
  644. # [21:57] <Philip`> dw: What browser are you testing in?
  645. # [21:57] <dw> safari and firefox on os x
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  647. # [21:58] <dw> actually, there might be some interference between the drawing functions and the context state
  648. # [21:58] <Philip`> As far as I'm aware, they should redraw the canvas whenever it's been changed and no scripts are currently running
  649. # [21:58] <Philip`> (Opera sometimes redraws in the middle of a script, after a certain time period)
  650. # [21:58] <dw> aha! stupid..
  651. # [21:58] <dw> globalCompositeOperation was not being reset
  652. # [21:59] <dw> sorry, false alarm :)
  653. # [21:59] <Philip`> No problem :-)
  654. # [21:59] <dw> thank you!
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  691. # [23:51] <mpilgrim> got this question from someone at my presentation, didn't know the answer:
  692. # [23:51] <mpilgrim> "is it possible to start playing <video> from the middle without loading it from begining to this point?"
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  694. # [23:54] <Lachy> mpilgrim, I don't think that's possible yet, but I recall there was some work being done on that issue
  695. # [23:55] <Lachy> mpilgrim, there's a thread about that here. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-April/019516.html
  696. # [23:57] <Lachy> I think there were other threads too
  697. # [23:58] <Dashiva> Isn't that just up to the user agent?
  698. # [23:58] <Dashiva> The spec covers seeking
  699. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> lachy: thanks
  700. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> dashiva: i couldn't even work out the proper events to get the video to play from a specific time
  701. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> i set the video.currentTime property
  702. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> and called video.play()
  703. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> but i couldn't seem to do all that at the right time
  704. # [23:59] <mpilgrim> not sure what the coverage of video API events is
  705. # Session Close: Wed Nov 11 00:00:00 2009

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