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  15. # [00:58] <Hixie> jlebar: pong
  16. # [00:58] <Hixie> so, what's been going on while i've been away
  17. # [00:58] <Hixie> any decisions made? :-)
  18. # [00:59] <jlebar> I didn't know you were away. Welcome back!
  19. # [00:59] <jlebar> I wanted to ask about the title parameter in push/replaceState. Can we nix it?
  20. # [01:01] <Hixie> why would we nix it?
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  22. # [01:02] <jlebar> Well, in the last e-mail about it, you said you wanted the title to be separate from document.title, but shown in the drop-down list of history entries (the one that shows up when you click the down button next to the forward button). But if we're creating the notion of a per-history-entry title separate from document.title, that seems orthogonal from push/replaceState.
  23. # [01:04] <jlebar> (Put another way: If I just want to change that title, does it really make sense for me to call replaceState?)
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  30. # [01:28] <Hixie> jlebar: yeah, i could see an argument along those lines. Is there mail about it?
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  32. # [01:30] <jlebar> Hixie: Yes, but it's hidden. :) Thread titled "AJAX History Concerns". Mail from me (justin.lebar@gmail.com) on Nov 13.
  33. # [01:31] <Hixie> in that case i should get to it in due course
  34. # [01:31] <Hixie> is it urgent?
  35. # [01:32] <Hixie> i can move it up the list if it's urgent, though i'm swamped with mail right now so it'll still be a while
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  37. # [01:33] <jlebar> Hixie: I think we're going to land pushstate soon, and although I've been saying that for a few months now, I finally have a few reviews done on it, so I think it might actually happen in the near future. It would be nice not to change it after we land it.
  38. # [01:33] <Hixie> ah, ok
  39. # [01:34] <Hixie> let me see, hold on
  40. # [01:34] <jlebar> I can go ahead and just take out the title parameter. We certainly don't have to have the replacement specified when we land pushstate.
  41. # [01:35] <jlebar> * by "the replacement", I mean the functionality for changing the history entry title by other means than push/replaceState.
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  45. # [01:39] <Hixie> i need to start writing down my stack
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  51. # [02:02] <Hixie> jlebar: replied to your e-mail
  52. # [02:04] <jlebar> Hixie: Thanks.
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  224. # [02:45] <jlebar> Hixie: I just replied, but I'm going to get dinner now.
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  238. # [03:20] <Hixie> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_various_versions_of_the_spec.3F
  239. # [03:20] <Hixie> !
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  244. # [03:38] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Are you surprised that someone put it together?
  245. # [03:40] <Hixie> no, i just did
  246. # [03:40] <Hixie> i'm just surprised as to how long it turned out
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  248. # [03:43] <TabAtkins> It is pretty damned long, I must admit.
  249. # [03:43] <TabAtkins> Clearly there are many representations of that resource. ^_^
  250. # [03:44] <Hixie> or there are many resources generated from the same source document :-P
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  252. # [03:45] <Hixie> and it doesn't even include the out-of-date versions like the /TR/ page
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  256. # [04:32] <jlebar> Hixie: The < in the example you just added with updating the title each second doesn't come through right.
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  276. # [05:43] <Hixie> jlebar: fixed, thanks
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  303. # [09:34] <hsivonen> gsnedders: what's the situation with the html5lib test suite and the state of the spec? are the tests up-to-date?
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  305. # [09:40] <hsivonen> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker times out for me
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  307. # [09:41] <hsivonen> is Dreamhost dreaming againg?
  308. # [09:42] <hsivonen> awesome. dreamhoststatus.com doesn't load in a reasonable time, either.
  309. # [09:42] <hsivonen> http://twitter.com/dhstatus/status/6002999309
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  313. # [10:15] <jgraham> hsivonen: AFAIK gsnedders went and changed html5lib to match current spec so the tests should be up to date
  314. # [10:16] <jgraham> No promises and certainly no suggestion that all the intersting changed cases are covered
  315. # [10:17] <hsivonen> jgraham: ok. thanks
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  326. # [10:51] <gsnedders> hsivonen: It's also quite likely that I missed some bits of the spec that had changed
  327. # [10:55] <gsnedders> Is it just me or is hixie.ch down?
  328. # [10:55] <gsnedders> Oh, DH network failure. Great.
  329. # [10:56] <hsivonen> gsnedders: ok. thanks
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  341. # [11:42] <Hixie> dreamhost is back up for people who were complaining
  342. # [11:43] <hsivonen> great
  343. # [11:43] <hsivonen> doesn't look like it
  344. # [11:43] <hsivonen> html5.org and whatwg.org don't respond
  345. # [11:44] <Hixie> the network is back up
  346. # [11:44] <Philip`> What about for people who weren't complaining?
  347. # [11:44] <Hixie> the machines seem to be overloaded
  348. # [11:44] <Hixie> but they respond to ping
  349. # [11:44] <Hixie> and can be sshed into
  350. # [11:44] <Hixie> Philip`: i wasn't telling those people :-)
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  352. # [11:45] <Hixie> hm, ssh broke
  353. # [11:45] <Hixie> still responding to pings though
  354. # [11:53] <Hixie> http seems to be back
  355. # [11:57] <Philip`> Hixie: In case you don't read it in IRC logs: SVN is inaccessible, and http://svn.whatwg.org/ gives a "Forbidden" error
  356. # [11:57] <Hixie> yeah, already reported it to them
  357. # [11:57] <Hixie> no idea why
  358. # [11:57] <Hixie> i created another repo and that one works fine
  359. # [12:01] * jgraham wonders if dreamhost were imagining the kind of dream where you are being chased by monsters inexplicably wearing your pyjamas when they chose their name
  360. # [12:02] <Lachy> jgraham, they would have called themselves Nightmarehost if that was the case.
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  386. # [15:22] <hsivonen> has <body> in 'after head' always set frameset-ok to 'not ok'?
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  390. # [15:24] <annevk2> Hixie, you should look into fixing http://svn.whatwg.org/
  391. # [15:24] <annevk2> Hixie, if you're back and all
  392. # [15:24] <annevk2> Hixie, hmm, guess you're asleep now
  393. # [15:28] <Philip`> annevk2: He said he'd contacted Dreamhost about it already
  394. # [15:29] <annevk2> coolio
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  412. # [16:48] <Lachy> I need to decide whether or not to incorporate any of these tests into the selectors api test suite, which is now mostly complete http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/dom/selectors/001.html
  413. # [16:48] <Lachy> the only tests that are failing are in WebKit, which has a strange NodeList implementation
  414. # [16:49] <Lachy> nodelist.elementid returns an element in the list with that ID, if it exists. (see tests 011 and 082)
  415. # [16:50] <Lachy> I'm not sure why it does that, but the NodeList behaviour doesn't really seem to be in scope of selectors api
  416. # [16:50] <Lachy> (beyond the list being static, rather than live)
  417. # [16:56] <Philip`> It seems "in scope" in the sense that it is a bug which could be encountered by an author who is using the Selectors API
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  419. # [16:56] <Philip`> and so it's directly beneficial to the Selectors API if the bug is identified and fixed
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  450. # [20:08] <hsivonen> Is there a way to track the Google Desktop integration story? (the HTML5 parser currently breaks an API that was introduced for Google Desktop)
  451. # [20:12] <hsivonen> oops wrong window
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