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  110. # [07:50] <Templarian1> So, reading through the latest draft I've noticed that letter-spacing isn't explained for the drawText function of the canvas object? Anyone know if this was intentional?
  111. # [07:54] <Templarian1> Oh, just looked at it and it hit me it's only showing CSS1 font properties.
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  181. # [14:49] <Lachy> haha, Microsoft "enables Silverlight on iPhones" by sending a QuickTime compatible file (presumably MP4) and the <video> element. :-) http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/11/microsoft-enables-silverlight-video-streaming-to-iphones.ars
  182. # [14:50] <Philip`> Old news :-p
  183. # [14:50] <Lachy> how old?
  184. # [14:50] <Philip`> It was discussed here a couple of days ago or something
  185. # [14:51] <Lachy> oh
  186. # [14:52] <Philip`> It's streaming (not a plain MP4 file), and supported by the new IIS media server or something, and Microsoft isn't claiming they've done anything with Silverlight on iPhones
  187. # [14:52] <Philip`> but news stories are getting things a bit confused
  188. # [14:52] <Philip`> (probably since it was being discussed at the same time as new Silverlight was being discussed)
  189. # [14:54] <Lachy> yeah, that's why I thought it was so funny, cause the article made it sound like it had something to do with silverlight beyond just providing an alternative for it for streaming
  190. # [14:55] <Philip`> Does anybody use Silverlight for any purpose other than video?
  191. # [14:55] <Philip`> At least Flash is used for games too
  192. # [14:58] <Lachy> Microsoft tries to for some things on their site, though I'm not sure exactly what cause I refuse to install it
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  195. # [15:06] * annevk2 wonders what the context is for http://twitter.com/KennyL/statuses/6141544733
  196. # [15:06] <annevk2> anyone?
  197. # [15:07] <Lachy> ask @KennyL
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  199. # [15:09] <annevk2> good point, done
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  202. # [15:27] <Huvet> html5lib: bug 113 and bug 125 seems to be duplicates
  203. # [15:27] <Huvet> I think
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  208. # [16:19] <annevk2> iPhone does MPEG-2?
  209. # [16:19] <annevk2> did not know that
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  213. # [16:23] <Philip`> annevk2: Microsoft's thing is H.264 video and AAC audio in an MPEG-2 transport stream
  214. # [16:25] <annevk2> k
  215. # [16:25] <annevk2> tha
  216. # [16:25] <annevk2> hmm, Oslo is cold :/
  217. # [16:26] <annevk2> at least here it's above 5
  218. # [16:26] <annevk2> btw, if anyone has tips for a short hiking trip somewhere in Europe next month let me know
  219. # [16:28] <annevk2> going away in January to Patagonia and I should prolly do a somewhat lengthy walk before that :)
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  221. # [16:30] <ttepasse> The classic is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James
  222. # [16:31] <ttepasse> for some definition of "short" or "lengthy"
  223. # [16:34] <annevk2> ah yeah, hmm
  224. # [16:35] <jgraham> How long is "somewhat lengthy"? And over what type of terrain?
  225. # [16:35] <ttepasse> Apart from the main road in northern spain there is this network of ways through europe - maybe there is a sub-path in .nl?
  226. # [16:37] <jgraham> There are things like the pennine way in the UK
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  228. # [16:37] <jgraham> Or costal paths in e.g. corsica
  229. # [16:38] <annevk2> somewhat lengthy is 40k or so
  230. # [16:38] <annevk2> well, a day
  231. # [16:38] <annevk2> though it depends on the terrain of course
  232. # [16:39] <annevk2> and short is a couple of days, like 2-3 or so
  233. # [16:39] * annevk2 isn't really sure yet
  234. # [16:39] * annevk2 thinks about flying to bilbao
  235. # [16:40] <jgraham> Well there are probably some reasonably interesting bits of England that are not totally inaccessible in January. But maybe further south would be better
  236. # [16:40] <annevk2> still want to see the guggenheim there
  237. # [16:40] <annevk2> ah, next month means December :)
  238. # [16:41] <annevk2> but yeah, England might be fun
  239. # [16:41] <jgraham> Then too :)
  240. # [16:41] <annevk2> Scotland or Wales maybe?
  241. # [16:41] <jgraham> Scotland in the winter can be farly tough, at least the mountainous parts
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  243. # [16:42] <annevk2> fairly though sounds compelling :)
  244. # [16:42] <annevk2> maybe I should ask Tarquin
  245. # [16:42] <annevk2> though that'd be in Wales
  246. # [16:46] <jgraham> Well I think you would want crampons and so on for Scotland at least
  247. # [16:48] <jgraham> (at least in the mountains)
  248. # [16:48] <annevk2> interesting
  249. # [16:48] <annevk2> I don't have those
  250. # [16:48] <annevk2> I do have sufficient clothing prolly
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  253. # [16:51] <jgraham> I'm not really too sure because I haven't done that much winter walking.
  254. # [16:53] <annevk2> me neither
  255. # [16:54] <annevk2> well, once in Nikko
  256. # [16:54] <annevk2> on normal shoes and too cold clothing, hah
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  271. # [18:15] <Lachy> annevk2, looks like that quote from @KennyL earlier comes from here http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Tim_Berners-Lee_Sees_Promise__Challenges_in_HTML5
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  277. # [18:32] <annevk2> nice
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  280. # [18:38] <annevk2> my MacBook completely froze
  281. # [18:38] <annevk2> scary
  282. # [18:38] <annevk2> had to reboot
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  293. # [19:28] <hsivonen> http://standardssuck.org/what-devs-want-from-html5 breaks badly with the latest HTML5 parser changes :-(
  294. # [19:30] <Philip`> hsivonen: It looks horrendously broken in Opera too
  295. # [19:31] <Pure> IE8 too
  296. # [19:31] <Pure> though, that's not html5
  297. # [19:32] <Philip`> hsivonen: Breaking in HTML5-enabled Firefox is just increasing interoperability with other browsers
  298. # [19:32] <hsivonen> standards must suck interoperably
  299. # [19:34] <Philip`> <li class="commentbody"altid="comment-1258" <div class="com_info">
  300. # [19:34] <Philip`> That can't be good
  301. # [19:34] <Pure> Nope
  302. # [19:34] <hsivonen> ok. so the problem is tokenizing < inside a tag like IE
  303. # [19:35] <hsivonen> maybe aligning with IE here isn't the best solution
  304. # [19:36] <Philip`> Getting the site fixed is the best solution
  305. # [19:37] <Philip`> since it's broken for almost everyone
  306. # [19:37] <hsivonen> IE's tokenization is considered to be axiomatically maximally Web compatible
  307. # [19:37] <hsivonen> byt parts of Gecko and WebKit might be more Web compatible
  308. # [19:37] <hsivonen> *but
  309. # [19:39] <TabAtkins_> Not broken in Chrome, as far as I can tell. At least, it all looks fine. Definitely not "horrendously broken".
  310. # [19:40] <annevk2> i think i've seen sites depend on both
  311. # [19:40] <annevk2> so you can't win
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  313. # [19:51] <hsivonen> who can fix it? Marcos?
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