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  11. # [00:53] <aho> webgl behaves like flash with wmode=transparent. this is pretty slow and usually totally unnecessary. are there any plans for some kind of switch which would make it behave more like an opaque overlay?
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  110. # [14:23] <gsnedders> Heh. So Flyglobespan went bust earlier this month.
  111. # [14:23] * gsnedders was a bit worried about whether they would go bust when he flew back from TPAC last year
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  121. # [15:43] <gsnedders> So, Hixie's birthday has come.
  122. # [15:44] <gsnedders> And time for me to reveal what I've been working on for the past week.
  123. # [15:44] <gsnedders> http://stuff.gsnedders.com/whatwg/vocabs.html
  124. # [15:45] <gsnedders> Take a look at the xref there :)
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  126. # [15:48] <gsnedders> Though there does appear to be some bugs.
  127. # [16:00] * gsnedders fixes wha looks to be the biggest bug
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  131. # [16:12] <gsnedders> (Tell me about bugs in xref, bugs such as lack of TOC and substitutions are known issue)
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  155. # [16:56] <gsnedders> foolip: yt?
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  162. # [17:39] <foolip> gsnedders: on and off
  163. # [17:40] <gsnedders> foolip: What do you mean by references to multipage?
  164. # [17:40] <gsnedders> foolip: From where? Within the spec?
  165. # [17:40] <gsnedders> foolip: Another document?
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  168. # [17:55] <foolip> gsnedders: I mean references from e.g. the vocabs spec to the multipage HTML5 spec
  169. # [17:55] <foolip> as opening the single-page spec will kill a certain web browser
  170. # [17:56] <gsnedders> Web browsers should suck less. :)
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  172. # [18:00] * GPHemsley glares at Hixie for going to the extreme when demonstrating the variety of syntax HTML5 can have.
  173. # [18:03] <AryehGregor> <VIdeO autoBUFFER="AUTObuffer" autoplay CONTRols='' ></VIDEO>
  174. # [18:03] <GPHemsley> yeah
  175. # [18:03] <GPHemsley> see the second example for <section>
  176. # [18:03] * AryehGregor should have used some tabs and newlines in the whitespace, too
  177. # [18:03] <AryehGregor> Haha.
  178. # [18:04] <AryehGregor> That's painful.
  179. # [18:04] <GPHemsley> On another note, what is the point of <dfn>?
  180. # [18:05] <AryehGregor> Isn't it one of those elements that's pretty stupid but not quite stupid enough to remove given that it was in previous versions of the standard?
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  182. # [18:05] <GPHemsley> Probably
  183. # [18:06] <GPHemsley> but I was hoping for a more specific answer :P
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  187. # [18:11] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Look at all the cases of dfn in the spec :)
  188. # [18:11] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: It can be used to build xrefs
  189. # [18:12] * gsnedders tries regenning spec with the next revision of Anolis 2
  190. # [18:13] <GPHemsley> But it can't be used to substitute for an <abbr> @title
  191. # [18:15] <gsnedders> Why not?
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  193. # [18:18] <gsnedders> Uploading the spec is slow.
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  196. # [18:19] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: Because (based on how I'm reading the spec) you have specify the @title for each <abbr>, regardless of whether you've previously <dfn>'d it.
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  198. # [18:19] <gsnedders> http://stuff.gsnedders.com/whatwg/vocabs.html --- it has the date (again)!
  199. # [18:20] <gsnedders> (Sorry, I just added a brand-new sub implementation into Anolis 2, which is a lot quicker than before)
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  205. # [19:10] <jgraham> gsnedders: Do you have to specify all the source files at once to get x-doc x-refs?
  206. # [19:11] <gsnedders> jgraham: You can either do that or you can specific URLs to load dfns from
  207. # [19:11] <jgraham> Hixie: Happy Birthday, as I understand it
  208. # [19:11] <gsnedders> (But only those with @id, as it can't add them in that case)
  209. # [19:11] <jgraham> gsnedders: Right so if someone wants to reference HTML5 without having access to the source document, it should work
  210. # [19:11] <gsnedders> jgraham: Yeah.
  211. # [19:11] <jgraham> (for example)
  212. # [19:11] <jgraham> gsnedders: Nice :)
  213. # [19:12] * gsnedders has the advantage of having the source documents
  214. # [19:12] <gsnedders> jgraham: It can't so well cope with docs that reference each other both ways without the source files, for obvious reasons
  215. # [19:12] <gsnedders> jgraham: Also, I guess you'll be pleased to know that Anolis 2 should be a lot cheaper than 1
  216. # [19:13] <jgraham> Boxing day sales?
  217. # [19:13] <gsnedders> jgraham: Also I want to discuss one or two API related things about it with you, but probably won't do that until I'm back in Sweden
  218. # [19:14] <gsnedders> jgraham: You know what I mean :)
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  220. # [19:15] <jgraham> gsnedders: Sure. Probaably better to discuss then ince I am on dody hotel wifi at the mment
  221. # [19:15] <jgraham> (which I blame for all the mising characters)
  222. # [19:15] <jgraham> (because doing corrections is to painful)
  223. # [19:16] <gsnedders> Also I don't have to deal with silly textual mediums, but can instead just speak :P
  224. # [19:17] <jgraham> Indeed
  225. # [19:17] <gsnedders> (TOC I think is the main thing, apart from any actual UI, that remains to be done)
  226. # [19:18] <Philip`> jgraham: Write your lines in a local text editor then copy-and-paste into your IRC client
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  229. # [19:29] <GPHemsley> Which validator (w3.org or validator.nu) is usually more up-to-date with the spec?
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  231. # [19:47] <jgraham> Philip`: No
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  235. # [19:55] <quesada> for html5lib: should I use the release version (.11) or the tip of the hg repo?
  236. # [19:55] <quesada> that means: is the head of the repo stable?
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  240. # [20:13] <gsnedders> quesada: More so than 0.1
  241. # [20:13] <gsnedders> *0.11
  242. # [20:13] <gsnedders> (So use it)
  243. # [20:13] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: validator.nu
  244. # [20:14] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: It's the same impl, but v.nu is maintained by the guy who wrote the impl, so normally haschanges pushed to it more quickly
  245. # [20:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: does test_tests14_2_lxml fail for you?
  246. # [20:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: Leading to four failures?
  247. # [20:17] <gsnedders> (in total)
  248. # [20:23] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: K, thanks.
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  259. # [21:52] <annevk4> actually, the qa-dev version of the W3C might sometimes be more up to date thanks to MikeSmith
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  262. # [22:00] <zcorpan> hello whatwg
  263. # [22:00] <Hixie> gsnedders: wow, dude, that's fantastic
  264. # [22:02] <Hixie> gsnedders: i'd offer to marry you, but i'm already engaged
  265. # [22:03] <annevk4> happy b-day Hixie
  266. # [22:04] <Hixie> thanks
  267. # [22:04] <zcorpan> happy birthday
  268. # [22:04] <annevk4> the xref stuff looks pretty neat
  269. # [22:04] <annevk4> maybe I should start using that too
  270. # [22:06] <Hixie> i am so going to be all over that
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  289. # [23:36] <annevk4> http://on2.com/index.php?id=472&news_id=696
  290. # [23:42] <othermaciej> is that standard for corporate bylaws?
  291. # [23:42] <othermaciej> (that merger approval requires majority of shares outstanding, not just voted)
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  293. # [23:45] <annevk4> no idea
  294. # [23:45] <othermaciej> wow, On2 is practically a penny stock
  295. # [23:45] <annevk4> I've never seen anything like this before, but then I never pay much attention to mergers
  296. # [23:46] <othermaciej> still somewhat below what you'd get in the exchange if the merger is approved
  297. # [23:46] <annevk4> I think part of the issue is that the stock used to be worth USD 20
  298. # [23:46] <othermaciej> most mergers you hear about, a large proportion of the shares are held by institutional investors who always vote their proxy
  299. # [23:46] <annevk4> 30 even, at its high in 2000
  300. # [23:47] <othermaciej> the highest price I see in the past 5 years is $3
  301. # [23:48] <othermaciej> they have been losing money for some time
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