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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 30 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: so U+000C is explicitly disallowed in XML? or does it get normalized?
  4. # [00:00] <zcorpan> it's disallowed
  5. # [00:01] <MikeSmith> OK
  6. # [00:06] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: maybe you can remove the stuff in the tokenizer that checks for semicolonless entities
  7. # [00:06] <MikeSmith> ah yeah
  8. # [00:06] <MikeSmith> hmm
  9. # [00:06] <MikeSmith> I guess
  10. # [00:06] <MikeSmith> so
  11. # [00:07] <MikeSmith> the XML parser will catch those?
  12. # [00:07] <MikeSmith> oh, I guess not
  13. # [00:07] <zcorpan> the table doesn't contain semicolonless entities
  14. # [00:08] <zcorpan> so it's dead code i think
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  16. # [00:12] <MikeSmith> which table?
  17. # [00:13] <zcorpan> the entity table
  18. # [00:14] <MikeSmith> OK
  19. # [00:14] <MikeSmith> but I should keep the checking for semicolonless character references, right?
  20. # [00:15] <zcorpan> yes
  21. # [00:18] <zcorpan> did you implement the CharRef Legal Character thing?
  22. # [00:22] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: you mean an explicit check for "Char ::= #x9 | #xA | #xD | [#x20-#xD7FF] | [#xE000-#xFFFD] | [#x10000-#x10FFFF]" ?
  23. # [00:22] <zcorpan> yes
  24. # [00:23] <MikeSmith> not yet
  25. # [00:23] <MikeSmith> but I can add it now
  26. # [00:23] <zcorpan> ok
  27. # [00:25] <MikeSmith> I guess I can add it in the checkChar method
  28. # [00:25] <zcorpan> not handleNcrValue ?
  29. # [00:26] <MikeSmith> ah, for character refs
  30. # [00:27] <zcorpan> yeah... the xml parser has already checked Char for the pi data
  31. # [00:28] <MikeSmith> OK
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  34. # [00:41] <zcorpan> time to sleep
  35. # [00:41] <zcorpan> g'nite
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  52. # [02:03] <cardona507> hello - I want to use offline cache and db - but am unclear how the two relate in terms of code - local storage also - I am kind of unclear about use cases - right now I am trying to help some friends put their books onto the web and we are making them mobile friendly - but I just don't know how to make my cache manifest clearly defined in the db... any advice?
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  55. # [02:22] <cardona507> for example with a book - the text and images are all in the markup - so do I need a db at all? or just an cache manifest?
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  99. # [10:04] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: maybe you should skip validation for xml-stylesheet pis that are not in the prolog
  100. # [10:06] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: since they're not considered to be potential xml-stylesheet pis
  101. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: maybe, but a possible rationale for checking them is that they're just misplaced and the user would still like their content to be checked
  102. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> but I don't feel strongly about it
  103. # [10:08] <zcorpan> yeah maybe
  104. # [10:08] <MikeSmith> if you think it seems preferable to not check them, I can change it
  105. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> hmm
  106. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> but I see your point
  107. # [10:12] <MikeSmith> if the user sees error messages about the content of the data part, that might cause them to assume it will actually be processed, even though it's misplaced
  108. # [10:13] <zcorpan> yes
  109. # [10:13] <MikeSmith> OK
  110. # [10:13] <MikeSmith> it's trivial to change -- just need to add an early return
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  112. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> should I do the same for the case where it's in the doctype declaration?
  113. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> ah no
  114. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> spec says only to warn about that
  115. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> or doesn't say to warn
  116. # [10:14] <MikeSmith> but that case is just a "should", right?
  117. # [10:15] <zcorpan> you're allowed to skip pis in the doctype
  118. # [10:15] <zcorpan> per spec
  119. # [10:15] <zcorpan> but then the warning should probably say that you've skipped it
  120. # [10:16] <zcorpan> "For potential xml-stylesheet processing instructions that are in the [children] property of a document type declaration information item, xml-stylesheet processors may report to the application the parsing result of invoking the rules for parsing pseudo-attributes from a string, using the processing instruction information item's [content] property as the string. [Definition: If it's not reported to the application, the processing inst
  121. # [10:16] <zcorpan> information item is said to be ignored.]"
  122. # [10:18] <zcorpan> and "Documents should not use xml-stylesheet processing instructions that are in the [children] property of a document type declaration information item."
  123. # [10:19] <zcorpan> technically, <!DOCTYPE x[<?xml-stylesheet lol?>]><x/> is invalid, but you need to process it to tell
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  125. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> maybe for both the cases, I should append "To check the contents of the xml-stylesheet instruction, move it and then resubmit the document for validation."
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  127. # [10:24] <zcorpan> maybe (Suppressing further errors from this processing instruction.)
  128. # [10:27] <MikeSmith> OK
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  130. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: OK, I just made those changes and also added warnings for charset and for media, etc., in XSLT indicators
  131. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> and pushed to qa-dev
  132. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> and also made other changes we talked about yesterday
  133. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> see comments at bug 14
  134. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> oh, that reminds me
  135. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> wanted to ask about a couple remaining errors that aren't XML conformant
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  137. # [10:40] <zcorpan> are they errors according to charmod?
  138. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> zcorpan:
  139. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> if (value >= 0xFDD0 && value <= 0xFDEF) {
  140. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> errNcrUnassigned();
  141. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> } else if (value >= 0x007F && value <= 0x009F) {
  142. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> errNcrControlChar();
  143. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> those ranges are legal, right?
  144. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> if so, I can change those errors to warnings
  145. # [10:43] <zcorpan> legal according to the xml-stylesheet spec yes, but are they legal according to the charmod spec?
  146. # [10:45] <MikeSmith> ah
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  148. # [10:52] <zcorpan> can't find anything in charmod
  149. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> it mentions something about not using code points that are for Unicode internal use
  150. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> I wonder if permanently unassigned code points are considered to be for internal use
  151. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> "value >= 0xFDD0 && value <= 0xFDEF" seem to definitely be non-characters, so it seems right to emit an error for those
  152. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> but can't find any must-not prohibition on "value >= 0x007F && value <= 0x009F", so will change that to a warning
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  179. # [14:54] <oskude> heh, the most best fitting topic i've seen "Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!" when it comes to web-development ;P
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  182. # [15:01] <annevk> yeah, browsers...
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  208. # [17:32] <annevk> hmm, EUR 530 to get my MacBook fixed
  209. # [17:32] <annevk> doesn't really seem worth it
  210. # [17:33] <Philip`> That's more than the cost of my current main laptop
  211. # [17:33] <annevk> I paid a little more for it, but still...
  212. # [17:35] <annevk> pretty bad that it breaks down in two years :/
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  262. # [23:01] <AryehGregor> I hope the HTMLWG publishes a Last Call soon for the sole reason that then people will stop trying to move the Wikipedia article to "HTML 5" based on looking at the August Working Draft.
  263. # [23:05] * Philip` suggests not fighting the people who want to move it
  264. # [23:07] <AryehGregor> Well, then someone else will fight them and move it back.
  265. # [23:07] <AryehGregor> Anyway, it's not much of a fight, took two minutes or something.
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  267. # [23:15] <GPHemsley> AryehGregor: Your WerdaBot doesn't appear to be working anymore... :P
  268. # [23:15] <annevk> publishing an interim draft is prolly coming first, if anything
  269. # [23:15] <AryehGregor> GPHemsley, WerdnaBot is Werdna's, not mine.
  270. # [23:15] <GPHemsley> AryehGregor: Well, I meant, for your talk page
  271. # [23:15] <AryehGregor> GPHemsley, nobody talks to me anyway, so no big deal.
  272. # [23:15] <GPHemsley> heh
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  276. # [23:25] <Hixie> AryehGregor: ain't nothing wrong with calling it "HTML 5", just like "HTML4" and "HTML 4" are both acceptable
  277. # [23:25] <AryehGregor> Hixie, well, Wikipedia might as well be consistent.
  278. # [23:25] <Hixie> what does it do for HTML4?
  279. # [23:28] <annevk> oh yes, made Ubuntu stream video to my Xbox 360
  280. # [23:28] <annevk> win win win
  281. # [23:33] <AryehGregor> "HTML 4.0"
  282. # [23:33] <AryehGregor> That's the name used in the spec.
  283. # [23:34] <AryehGregor> Whereas HTML5 uses "HTML5" in the spec.
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