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  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 31 00:00:00 2009
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  14. # [01:33] <websafestudio> Greetings! Why have I been asked to leave my sense of logic at the door? *curious*
  15. # [01:35] <websafestudio> I ask, because I thought that logic was the sine qua non of computer work of any kind.
  16. # [01:35] <gsnedders> HTML is far from logical.
  17. # [01:35] <websafestudio> lol
  18. # [01:35] <websafestudio> *mulls this over*
  19. # [01:35] <gsnedders> (See: <image> becomes "img" in the DOM)
  20. # [01:36] <websafestudio> But that was a saving of two letters!
  21. # [01:36] <websafestudio> <p> is a lot shorter than <paragraph> would be.
  22. # [01:37] <gsnedders> That's not what I mean, put <image> in an HTML file, you get "img" in the DOM.
  23. # [01:37] <gsnedders> The tag name magically changes.
  24. # [01:37] <gsnedders> Oh, and then there's <isindex>
  25. # [01:37] <gsnedders> That's also nice and logical.
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  27. # [01:38] <websafestudio> *scratches head to remember* Isn't <isindex> for makign image maps?
  28. # [01:38] <AryehGregor> websafestudio, HTML isn't logical because it accumulated over years by dint of vendors randomly adding stuff they thought would be neat. HTML5 tries to reflect that reality by specifying all the craziness clearly.
  29. # [01:38] <AryehGregor> As opposed to initiatives like XHTML2 that have tried to do things in a more "logical" but less pragmatic way.
  30. # [01:38] <AryehGregor> At least that's how I interpret it.
  31. # [01:39] <websafestudio> Pragmatic = moneymaking? in this instance
  32. # [01:39] <websafestudio> *thinks she understands*
  33. # [01:39] <daedb> pragmatic = stuff that actually works on the web
  34. # [01:40] <websafestudio> But ... more logical, but less pragmatic? *confused*
  35. # [01:40] <websafestudio> Isn't using a logical approach a practical thing?
  36. # [01:40] <daedb> XHTML2 had some neat logical features, but it wasn't backwards compatible so actually using it would be highly impractical.
  37. # [01:41] * Chris547_2 is now known as Chris547
  38. # [01:41] <websafestudio> I see ... In a perfect Web world, what browser would you like to see used?
  39. # [01:42] <annevk> in a perfect world there would be no computers, doh
  40. # [01:42] <websafestudio> Hmmm ...
  41. # [01:42] <websafestudio> Would there be mental telepathy?
  42. # [01:42] * annevk should get some sleep
  43. # [01:42] <annevk> nn
  44. # [01:43] <daedb> In a perfect world the web would just stream right into our brains.
  45. # [01:43] <websafestudio> Sleep is a form of mental telepathy -- perhaps -- or rather, dreaming may be
  46. # [01:43] <websafestudio> Right, daedb -- Will that happen in our lifetimes?
  47. # [01:44] <daedb> I dunno, depends on how long we live :)
  48. # [01:44] <websafestudio> On a pragmatic note: I have just finished reading "Designing with Web Standards," Edition 3 (2009) and am slowly absorbing its message
  49. # [01:45] <websafestudio> I am earnestly trying to become a better Web designer -- is it hopeless? Is the game worth the candle? (I ask myself this after wrestling with minutiae like margins of lists)
  50. # [01:47] <websafestudio> All right, thanks for chatting, must go eat supper.
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  181. # [19:31] * gsnedders pushes Anolis 1.1
  182. # [19:33] <gsnedders> (There basically nothing interesting new in it)
  183. # [19:34] <gsnedders> (It supports html5lib tip, it's up-to-date with the spec for the outliner impl, and data-anolis-xref exists)
  184. # [19:34] <gsnedders> Wait, didn't I agree to change that to data-xref?
  185. # [19:34] <gsnedders> Gah.
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