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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jan 01 00:00:00 2010
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  10. # [00:50] <nessy> foolip: congrats on the HTML5 video release of Opera!!
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  12. # [00:52] <foolip> nessy: thank you :)
  13. # [00:53] <foolip> you can see why I haven't replied to the media fragments thread in a few days now
  14. # [00:53] <nessy> say, if I install gstreamer on the mac, will it work?
  15. # [00:53] <nessy> sure, you do what you have to do
  16. # [00:53] <foolip> no, the feature is disabled, so it won't even try looking for GStreamer
  17. # [00:53] <nessy> I feel really bad for not having had any time to work on a11y stuff since TPAC - only media fragments and other contracts
  18. # [00:54] <foolip> also, I don't believe there is a standard GStreamer distribution for Mac, is there?
  19. # [00:54] <nessy> there are always priorities :-)
  20. # [00:54] <nessy> I have just port installed gstreamer on the mac, so yes, there is
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  22. # [00:55] <nessy> port is a standard distro for the mac
  23. # [00:55] <nessy> fink is the other one
  24. # [00:56] <nessy> and even fink has a gstreamer package http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gstreamer-0.10
  25. # [00:57] <nessy> this is the port package: http://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/gnome/gstreamer/Portfile
  26. # [00:57] <nessy> you might want to consider falling back to these on the mac when installed
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  29. # [00:59] <foolip> right, I installed those once
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  31. # [01:00] <foolip> however, we can't ask users to install that, it has a ridiculous amount of dependencies
  32. # [01:00] <foolip> with the lack of a package manager, it can't be automated even
  33. # [01:00] <nessy> no, you cannot expect it
  34. # [01:01] <nessy> but just like on Linux, where you also cannot expect it to be installed, you can still fall back to it if available
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  36. # [01:01] <foolip> but on linux it is "native", and we can let the packages depend on the right packages
  37. # [01:02] <nessy> it's as much "native" on macports as it is on ubuntu
  38. # [01:02] <nessy> it's just a package to be installed
  39. # [01:02] <nessy> I just did "port install gstreamer" and it got all the dependencies
  40. # [01:02] <foolip> macports isn't native to Mac though is it?
  41. # [01:02] <nessy> if you do any kind of development on the mac, it is
  42. # [01:03] <nessy> normal users probably won't have it installed
  43. # [01:03] <nessy> this is why I say: when it's available, it would make sense to fall back to it
  44. # [01:03] <nessy> otherwise you can do what you do on windows
  45. # [01:03] <nessy> btw: some ppl also have gstreamer "natively" installed on Windows - but probably a lot less than those who have macports or fink
  46. # [01:03] <foolip> I will make a minimal mac build, like on windows
  47. # [01:04] <nessy> yeah, that will be the best
  48. # [01:04] <nessy> but why not have that for all platforms and only use it where gstreamer is not installed natively?
  49. # [01:07] <foolip> on Unix there's no need - GStreamer will be there (once our package dependencies or installer scripts make it so)
  50. # [01:08] <foolip> anyway, I'm pretty sure #whatwg is not the perfect place to discuss this
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  53. # [01:11] <foolip> nessy: thanks for the tweets :)
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  55. # [01:15] <nessy> there's also a blog post waiting :)
  56. # [01:15] <nessy> but I need to get breakfast first
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  58. # [01:16] <nessy> oh, I thought anything html5 related can be discussed here! sorry!
  59. # [01:16] <AryehGregor> You can, nobody cares.
  60. # [01:16] <AryehGregor> It's interesting to read, and no one else is discussing anything here right now anyway.
  61. # [01:19] <foolip> nessy: you're waiting to read or to write a blog post?
  62. # [01:20] <Philip`> Anything unrelated to HTML5 can be discussed here too, and often is
  63. # [01:20] <foolip> hehe, indeed
  64. # [01:20] <Philip`> Socks are great, aren't they?
  65. # [01:20] * foolip goes off to learn about git hooks
  66. # [01:25] <gsnedders> Happy new year, y'all!
  67. # [01:26] <gsnedders> nessy: Everything is on-topic here :P
  68. # [01:27] <nessy> I'm in the middle of writing a blog post about how cool it is that Opera released this :)
  69. # [01:28] <nessy> I wanted to get it working on my mac with ports, thought, but that's obviously not going to happen :)
  70. # [01:28] <gsnedders> Of course Opera is cool :P
  71. # [01:28] <nessy> I only care about video ;)
  72. # [01:29] <gsnedders> Well, I'll say that Carakan in the cool thing in 10.50, just to spite foolip :)
  73. # [01:29] <Philip`> Are you only allowed one cool thing per release?
  74. # [01:30] <gsnedders> Well, no. But what I worked on most is by definition the coolest.
  75. # [01:30] <daedb> http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/ is awesome :O
  76. # [01:32] <foolip> nessy: sorry :/ I borrowed a MacBook over the weekend so I can hack on it though
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  79. # [01:42] <AryehGregor> This is a seriously awesome real-life application of canvas: http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html
  80. # [01:42] <AryehGregor> At least if you're a math nerd.
  81. # [01:44] <gsnedders> Old.
  82. # [01:44] * gsnedders hides
  83. # [01:45] <nessy> foolip: no worries - I will just install it on my winodws and linux partitions :)
  84. # [01:45] <nessy> but if I could have hacked it together on Mac, that would have been a bonus :)
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  86. # [01:48] <foolip> I think there's ample opportunity for hacking on Linux still
  87. # [01:49] <doublec> foolip: nice job on the <video> release!
  88. # [01:49] <foolip> doublec: thanks!
  89. # [01:50] <AryehGregor> So, I take it 10.5 > 10.10? Why not 10.50?
  90. # [01:50] <gsnedders> AryehGregor: It is 10.50.
  91. # [01:50] <AryehGregor> Why does everything call it 10.5, then?
  92. # [01:50] <gsnedders> Anything that calls it 10.5 is technically wrong.
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  94. # [01:51] <foolip> did we call it 10.5 anywhere?
  95. # [01:51] <AryehGregor> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=opera+10.5
  96. # [01:51] <gsnedders> AVL did in the blog post for the new year's build, seemingly
  97. # [01:51] <AryehGregor> my.opera.com and labs.opera.com, at least.
  98. # [01:51] <AryehGregor> And yeah, Anne's blog.
  99. # [01:51] <foolip> oh well
  100. # [01:51] <gsnedders> I don't think it overly matters. People call 10.10 10.1 too :)
  101. # [01:52] <AryehGregor> And I saw it on Slashdot too, and as we all know, Slashdot is very reliable in its headlines and summaries.
  102. # [01:52] <gsnedders> Blatantly we should just call it Evenes and be done with it.
  103. # [01:52] <foolip> perhaps our version number are floats, not a major.minor scheme
  104. # [01:52] <gsnedders> And call 10, 10.01, and 10.10 Perigrine (or however you spell it).
  105. # [01:52] <AryehGregor> Then why not use 10.1 instead of 10.10?
  106. # [01:52] <gsnedders> Then there's no ambiguity whatsoever!
  107. # [01:53] <AryehGregor> Peregrine?
  108. # [01:53] <gsnedders> Whatever the codename for all those releases was.
  109. # [01:53] <foolip> heh, the Opera employee gets told how to spell the Opera release
  110. # [01:53] <AryehGregor> Well, "peregrine" is a regular old English word.
  111. # [01:54] <AryehGregor> I was just guessing.
  112. # [01:54] <gsnedders> Like I can spell anyway. :)
  113. # [01:54] <foolip> Peregrine is Presto 2.2, i.e. Opera 10
  114. # [01:54] <foolip> Evenes is Presto 2.5, i.e. Opera 10.5
  115. # [01:54] <gsnedders> No, the Desktop releases based upon Presto 2.2
  116. # [01:54] * gsnedders hides
  117. # [01:55] * foolip slaps gsnedders
  118. # [01:55] <foolip> I'm lying, the version numbers are right, but the codenames are for desktop releases, not core (presto) releases
  119. # [01:55] <gsnedders> hah. The Presto Wikipedia page has changed it's opinion again of what Presto release Carakan was added in.
  120. # [01:55] <gsnedders> *its
  121. # [01:56] <foolip> thank god, Wikipedia sets the record straight
  122. # [01:56] <foolip> (i.e. since we don't know we can always trust Wikipedia)
  123. # [01:56] <gsnedders> (Well, Peregrine is also the codename of the Core branch of 2.2 for Desktop...)
  124. # [01:56] <foolip> meh, what's the point of git hooks if you can't but them under version control?
  125. # [01:57] <foolip> put
  126. # [01:57] <foolip> b + gravity -> p
  127. # [01:58] <Philip`> foolip: You'd like it if cloning and using an external git repository (even if you never use the code it contains) could result in it executing arbitrary hook scripts on your system?
  128. # [01:59] <foolip> Philip`: you may just have a point
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  131. # [02:05] * gsnedders wonders whether to move to using 10.50 as his main browser at home (where he really really really doesn't want his browser to crash as he always has way too many tabs open)
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  133. # [02:09] <foolip> gsnedders: do you compulsively need to create a minimized test case every time something crashes?
  134. # [02:09] <foolip> if so, keep it out of your home ;)
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  137. # [02:19] <Dashiva> gsnedders: That's like wondering whether to replace your pet parakeet with a pet elephant when your wife collects 9th century china
  138. # [02:19] <AryehGregor> Dashiva, you should watch the Mythbusters episode on bulls in a china shop.
  139. # [02:20] <AryehGregor> They set up racks of china and let a whole bunch of bulls loose to run around.
  140. # [02:20] <AryehGregor> And they ran right between the shelves repeatedly and didn't knock over a thing.
  141. # [02:20] <AryehGregor> It was pretty hilarious.
  142. # [02:20] <Dashiva> That's bulls
  143. # [02:20] <Dashiva> Elephants are... somewhat wider
  144. # [02:20] <AryehGregor> Well, you'd need more space between the shelves for an elephant, obviously.
  145. # [02:20] <AryehGregor> I mean the stands, or bookcases, or whatever you're putting the china on.
  146. # [02:21] <Dashiva> Well, that's the thing, you don't usually consider "would an elephant fit here" when decorating your home
  147. # [02:21] <AryehGregor> Depends what sort of guests you have, I suppose.
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  149. # [02:32] <Philip`> A pet elephant seems like a terrible idea regardless of your china collection habits
  150. # [02:32] <Philip`> For a start, you'd have to deal with all the footprints in your butter
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  152. # [02:34] <AryehGregor> You don't have to let it walk in your butter. You could train it to not climb onto tables and so on.
  153. # [02:34] <Dashiva> It doesn't climb the table, it gets in the fridge
  154. # [02:34] <AryehGregor> Hopefully more effectively than our cats, who are trained not to climb onto tables if any people are around to watch.
  155. # [02:35] <AryehGregor> Well, you'd have to be cleverer to stop them from getting into things, I guess, what with the trunk and all.
  156. # [02:35] <AryehGregor> Most pets are too small to open the fridge.
  157. # [02:35] <AryehGregor> I imagine that if you had a pet elephant, it would be best kept outside.
  158. # [02:36] <AryehGregor> (I'm sure *someone* out there has a pet elephant. I read about a lady who had like twenty pet lions in her house or something. She apparently got a permit and everything, totally legit.)
  159. # [02:36] <AryehGregor> (This is a vague memory, though, so reality might be less entertaining, as usual.)
  160. # [02:37] <AryehGregor> Anyway, I'm off for the night. Good night, and happy new year to whoever has recently experienced or will imminently experience the dawn of a new year.
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  164. # [02:41] <Dashiva> I'm still waiting for the galaxyrise myself
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  183. # [06:57] <MikeSmith> the static versions of the author view of the HTML5 spec now have toc.js and dfn.js enabled
  184. # [06:57] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
  185. # [06:58] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/spec.html
  186. # [06:58] <MikeSmith> so each page of the multipage version now has an on-page TOC
  187. # [06:59] <MikeSmith> and if you click on terms on bold that are <dfn> instances, it'll show you backreference to all the hyperlinks to that term
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  219. # [12:36] <gsnedders> foolip: No, I just don't want my browser crashing in general :)
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  224. # [13:19] <annevk> happy new year
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  229. # [13:41] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 22:03:06
  230. # [13:54] <annevk> thanks nessy, glad we made you happy with a video release :)
  231. # [13:54] <annevk> was a surprise to me too to be honest
  232. # [13:56] <nessy> it's totally awesome
  233. # [13:57] <nessy> seeking is still required to make it useful, but it's awesome :)
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