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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 14 00:00:00 2010
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  6. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> For some reason 2.1 suggests that UAs should break up the span to keep the ::first-line intact, but that's obviously stupid and nobody does it that way afaik.
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  15. # [00:19] <AryehGregor> Nice, git-svn finished in less than an hour.
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  17. # [00:20] <othermaciej> TabAtkins: is ::wrap() allowed to take arbitrarily complex selectors?
  18. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> Yes.
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  20. # [00:21] <othermaciej> does it take only a selector or group of selectors?
  21. # [00:22] <TabAtkins> only a selector, so that it can use the , to separate the start-selector and end-selector, but by using the :matches() pseudoclass you can combine multiple selectors.
  22. # [00:22] <TabAtkins> :matches() doens't exist yet, but it's just a matter of time. It'll be implemeneted long before ::wrap
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  24. # [00:23] <TabAtkins> So, frex, you can create section wrappers in a page that uses only implied sections with ::wrap(h1,h1), ::wrap(h2,:matches(h1,h2)), etc.
  25. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> Though to be fully general you'd have to deal with <hgroup> as well, and you can't do that until the :has() pseudoclass is supported.
  26. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> ::wrap(:matches(h1,hgroup:has(h1)), :matches(h1,hgroup:has(h1))) {}
  27. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> And :has isn't going to be implementable for a while yet, apparently.
  28. # [00:29] <TabAtkins> Though, that could be re-simplified with a :heading() pseudoclass. ::wrap(:heading(1),:heading(1)) {}, ::wrap(:heading(2),:heading(2 - n)) {}, etc.
  29. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> There are a number of pseudos that I want access to yesterday, obviously. ^_^ And they should be cheaply implementable, too.
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  37. # [00:59] <AryehGregor> Man, the -S option to git log is slow.
  38. # [00:59] <AryehGregor> Totally CPU-bound.
  39. # [00:59] <AryehGregor> (Of course, SVN doesn't even offer it. I shudder to think what it would be like trying to do that client-side with SVN.)
  40. # [01:00] * AryehGregor realizes that for his purposes he can just use git bisect
  41. # [01:00] * AryehGregor hates how you need one good rev and one bad for that to work, though . . .
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  43. # [01:04] <AryehGregor> Hmm, git isn't so happy with multi-MB files either, probably.
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  50. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> Wow, most complex chord I've ever had to type. Ctrl+Shift+Alt+S
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  53. # [01:11] <peol> export for web devices?
  54. # [01:11] <Hixie> TabAtkins: not an emacs user i assume
  55. # [01:12] <TabAtkins> peol: Well, sorta. Generate db schema in HTML.
  56. # [01:12] <TabAtkins> Hixie: No, and that's why.
  57. # [01:12] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Also, elisp. Yuck. Worst extant dialect of Lisp ever.
  58. # [01:12] <Hixie> hehe
  59. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> peol: What program does that option match with this chord?
  60. # [01:13] <peol> TabAtkins: Photoshop
  61. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> Ah, kk.
  62. # [01:13] <peol> i think, at least :)
  63. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> I'm a GIMP user, so I wouldn't know.
  64. # [01:14] <peol> i run cs4 through a xp vm :p
  65. # [01:14] <peol> gonna start using gimp when get around to grab the latest which has all windows encapsulated
  66. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> woo, dinnertime!
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  69. # [01:20] <AryehGregor> Has there ever been rel="edit" in the spec?
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  73. # [01:30] <cardona507> anyone else going?
  74. # [01:33] <AryehGregor> Why would you want to embed media via QuickTime if you have video and audio?
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  76. # [01:34] <Philip`> Maybe you want to use those totally useful "3D" QuickTime things where you can rotate the view
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  79. # [01:40] <AryehGregor> You mean like you can do with <canvas>?
  80. # [01:40] * AryehGregor looks questioningly at othermaciej
  81. # [01:43] <othermaciej> pardon?
  82. # [01:43] <AryehGregor> Why would you want to embed media via QuickTime if you have video and audio?
  83. # [01:43] <AryehGregor> (in reference to a mailing list post of your from a few hours ago)
  84. # [01:44] <othermaciej> 1) if you want to target browsers that don't have <video> yet
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  86. # [01:44] <othermaciej> 2) if you want to target browsers that don't support your codec of choice in <video>
  87. # [01:44] <othermaciej> 3) if you want to embed content types that are supported by the QuickTime plugin but not any browser's <video> or <audio> because they are not strictly speaking either video or audio, such as QuickTime VR content or Quartz Composer content
  88. # [01:44] <AryehGregor> Yes, but in the context of the thread we're talking about <iframe sandbox>. I'm pretty sure all browsers that support that would support <video> . . . and with any luck they'll also have settled on a common codec.
  89. # [01:45] <AryehGregor> Okay, I guess.
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  91. # [01:45] <othermaciej> just tryin' to answer your question
  92. # [01:45] <othermaciej> I am not saying I <3 the QuickTime plugin
  93. # [01:45] <Philip`> 4) Maybe you hate your users and want to make their browsers slow and crashy
  94. # [01:45] <AryehGregor> Nah, it would be easier to use Flash then.
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  96. # [01:47] <AryehGregor> As one participant in this conversation can attest, judging by his recent fascinating post to public-html today. :)
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  99. # [01:48] * AryehGregor somehow managed to get Flash consistently crashing Linux Chrome, when Chrome is supposed to be immune to plugin crashes.
  100. # [01:48] <Dashiva> Maybe it's a feature
  101. # [01:49] * Philip` disables plugins in his main browser, and has a different browser that he uses almost solely for Flash sites
  102. # [01:49] <AryehGregor> Philip`, me too, but only because plugins don't seem to work with my Linux Chrome yet.
  103. # [01:49] <AryehGregor> If YouTube used <video>, I'd be set.
  104. # [01:52] * AryehGregor prays.
  105. # [01:53] <AryehGregor> I wonder what the status on <video>-in-YouTube is. Sadly, I imagine it's "shelve it until <video> is actually better".
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  107. # [01:53] * Dashiva imagines a service that takes a non-<video> video as input and gives a <video> <source> as output
  108. # [01:54] <Dashiva> Probably expensive bandwidth-wise, but you could throw in ads and stuff maybe :)
  109. # [01:54] <Hixie> still not jgraham?
  110. # [01:54] <Hixie> gsnedders?
  111. # [01:54] <Hixie> s/not/no/
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  117. # [02:06] <othermaciej> AryehGregor: to be fair, Flash was hanging, not crashing
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  119. # [02:09] <AryehGregor> Oh, well, that's okay, then.
  120. # [02:10] <Hixie> hey, ws: and wss: are registered now
  121. # [02:10] <Hixie> http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes.html
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  127. # [02:21] <AryehGregor> I especially like #9 here: http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Hilarious_(and_Very_Necessary)_Newspaper_Corrections
  128. # [02:21] <AryehGregor> (totally off-topic)
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  130. # [02:29] <Dashiva> That kind of journalistic integrity is rare nowadays
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