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  259. # [02:11] <Philip`> karlcow: In XHTML you'd just use &lt; instead of < in attribute values
  260. # [02:12] <cardona507> can anyone point to a webidl primer? The spec is a little over my head for now...
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  276. # [03:29] <karlcow> Philip`: yeah. realized that after.
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  314. # [06:35] <TabAtkins> Yo, all.
  315. # [06:35] <cardona507> Howdy tab
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  333. # [08:53] <JonathanNeal> http://www.liferay.com/ -- the new site is up!!!
  334. # [08:54] <MikeSmith> JonathanNeal: this is a site you built?
  335. # [08:54] <JonathanNeal> Indeed.
  336. # [08:55] <JonathanNeal> http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/process.py?url=http://www.liferay.com/ weee
  337. # [08:55] <MikeSmith> congrats
  338. # [08:56] <JonathanNeal> Thanks, I'm very happy it's finally up.
  339. # [08:56] <JonathanNeal> One of the first or first wave of large corporate HTML5 sites.
  340. # [08:57] <cardona507> nice - congrats :)
  341. # [08:57] <cardona507> looks good
  342. # [08:59] <JonathanNeal> cardona507, thank you. I hope it really encourages other developers.
  343. # [08:59] <JonathanNeal> I'm not like super awesome or anything, just knew it could be done.
  344. # [08:59] <JonathanNeal> And got a lot of help in this room.
  345. # [08:59] <hsivonen> does liferay (the product) now default to HTML5?
  346. # [08:59] <cardona507> I'm inspired
  347. # [08:59] <JonathanNeal> hsivonen, it does, but does not use HTML5 tags.
  348. # [09:00] <hsivonen> I see
  349. # [09:00] <JonathanNeal> The product itself uses the doctype-less html5 though, yes.
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  351. # [09:05] <JonathanNeal> However, I'm hoping to move the product to HTML5, and then HTML5 with HTML4 elements for mobile.
  352. # [09:08] <JonathanNeal> mobile browsers totally choke on HTML5, can't move them over just yet, although a lot of sites are making two mobiles, one that degrades and looks nice on curves and the like, and another for the nextgen smartphones like the iPhone, Android, Bold or whatever.
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  358. # [09:14] <JonathanNeal> Hey TabAtkins it's up!
  359. # [09:14] <JonathanNeal> http://www.liferay.com !!! thanks for your help
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  366. # [09:55] <Mekzholan> Hi, is it possible to have multiple views on one canvas?
  367. # [09:56] * Mekzholan has a page with ~1000 scopes that all should/could move at the same time
  368. # [09:56] <Mekzholan> putting all scopes in one big canvas and showing only the relevant part for each scope could help to have only one redraw every second...
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  376. # [10:17] <JonathanNeal> One of my favorite comments of the night has been "guys the dtd's need to be restored"
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  385. # [10:59] <Philip`> Mekzholan: I believe that's not possible
  386. # [10:59] <Philip`> You'd have to have lots of canvases, or one big canvas which you copy all the fragments onto
  387. # [11:00] <Mekzholan> Philip`: thanks for the answer...
  388. # [11:00] <Mekzholan> What's the best (= most performant) way to realise ~1000 scopes that get updated each second?
  389. # [11:01] * Mekzholan ist currently using images where the src get's modified - and that's extremely slow
  390. # [11:01] <Philip`> What kind of image is being shown in each?
  391. # [11:01] <Philip`> and how large are they?
  392. # [11:01] <Mekzholan> a little icon, 4x4 pixel, png, no transparency
  393. # [11:02] <Mekzholan> each scope has 8 of them
  394. # [11:04] <Philip`> Hmm, I find it hard to visualise what you mean
  395. # [11:06] <Mekzholan> <div class="hbeat">
  396. # [11:06] <Mekzholan> <img src="1.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="0.png" /><img src="1.png" /><img src="dot.png" />
  397. # [11:06] <Mekzholan> </div>
  398. # [11:06] <Mekzholan> 1.png and 0.png either show a peak or a plain line
  399. # [11:07] <Mekzholan> currently a JavaScript function is called every second to move the src attribute from each img to its right neighbour
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  401. # [11:08] <Mekzholan> and depending on other data the left most img is then set to 0.png or 1.png
  402. # [11:09] <Mekzholan> => it looks like a scope that's flowing to the right
  403. # [11:10] <Mekzholan> (it looks a bit like the CPU graph in the MS Windows task manager, the direction of the flow is just opposite)
  404. # [11:11] <Philip`> Sounds like doing it with canvas and drawing lines (rather than using images) should have much lower overhead
  405. # [11:11] <Philip`> Not sure how well it'd work if you have a thousand to update per second, though
  406. # [11:12] <Philip`> (Drawing them all onto one big canvas would probably be faster than drawing lots of little ones, I'd expect)
  407. # [11:14] <Mekzholan> Philip`: yes, that's my reasoning. One big canvas, only one translate and 1000 little draws per second resulting in only one redraw should be very lightweight
  408. # [11:15] <Mekzholan> well, I guess that I'll have to stay not optimal for now...
  409. # [11:18] * Philip` can't think of a better solution
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  419. # [12:41] <foolip> yay, the microdata vs. RDFa battle spills over into wikitech http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2010-January/046386.html
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  427. # [12:53] <Dashiva> "... RDFa is a published W3C Recommendation and it is safe to use it for deployment", with no mention at all of the planned incompatible changes for 1.1
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  441. # [13:38] <foolip> does anyone know if it's possible to get/reset the password of the spec annotation system?
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  443. # [13:40] <Philip`> foolip: Can you just register again with the same email address?
  444. # [13:40] <foolip> Philip`: I'll try that
  445. # [13:40] <foolip> "your password may have been e-mailed to you again"
  446. # [13:41] <Philip`> "may"? That doesn't inspire extreme confidence
  447. # [13:41] * foolip waits
  448. # [13:44] <foolip> now, how to you change the implementation boxes? alt+double click doesn't appear to do anything
  449. # [13:45] <Philip`> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/status-documentation.html
  450. # [13:45] <Philip`> That says alt+double click
  451. # [13:45] <Philip`> so in theory it should work
  452. # [13:46] * foolip tried Opera and Firefox
  453. # [13:46] <foolip> have you ever used it?
  454. # [13:46] <Philip`> Yes
  455. # [13:46] <foolip> care to see if it works for you today?
  456. # [13:46] <Philip`> It doesn't quite work for me on Linux because alt+click is the window manager's drag-to-move thing
  457. # [13:46] <foolip> oh right, crap
  458. # [13:47] <Philip`> but ctrl+alt+double click pops up the login dialog box so presumably that's working
  459. # [13:47] <Philip`> (though I can't be bothered to work out my password and actually log in)
  460. # [13:47] <foolip> yes!
  461. # [13:47] <foolip> thanks
  462. # [13:47] <foolip> that should be documented
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  509. # [17:32] <JonathanNeal> The new site is up --- http://www.liferay.com/ --- with HTML5 and CSS3 goodness!
  510. # [17:36] <cardona507> JonathanNeal - still announcing the site I see :)
  511. # [17:36] <cardona507> congrats again
  512. # [17:36] <JonathanNeal> Yes, 1am and then I went to bed.
  513. # [17:36] <cardona507> hehe - sounds like we are on the same schedule

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