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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 10 00:00:00 2010
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  4. # [00:04] <JonathanNeal> Okay, it's all updated.
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  8. # [00:34] <JonathanNeal> s'all good?
  9. # [00:39] <othermaciej> MikeSmith: I'm around if you want to chat at all
  10. # [00:40] <TabAtkins> Very interesting with the newer updates, JonathanNeal.
  11. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> JonathanNeal: Does IE ignore media=print on stylesheets or something?
  12. # [00:44] <JonathanNeal> What do you mean?
  13. # [00:45] <nessy> othermaciej: now sent the change proposals email for media a11y - let's see what happens
  14. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> You have the _exposePrint and _concealPrint functions, which just turn <style media=print> into <style media=screen old_media=print>, etc.
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  16. # [00:52] <JonathanNeal> Well, that's because I replace html5 elements with div/span
  17. # [00:52] <JonathanNeal> so exposePrint and consealPrint temporarily change the stylesheets so I can grab the correct styling.
  18. # [00:52] <JonathanNeal> Then it creates a custom stylesheet that styles the new div / span elements.
  19. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Oh, now I get it. You're switching them to screen just so you can analyze the styles *while* it's in screen mode.
  20. # [00:53] <JonathanNeal> Yes.
  21. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Can you use CSSOM to do that more cleanly? (Dunno what the level of support is in IE6+.
  22. # [00:53] <JonathanNeal> I've never heard of that.
  23. # [00:54] <TabAtkins> Search for CSS Object Model.
  24. # [00:54] <JonathanNeal> Yea, I pulled up some spec from the w3 but I don't ... know how I would use it.
  25. # [00:55] <TabAtkins> Grab the appropriate stylesheet, iterate through and read out the styles, producing a new stylesheet as you go along with your substitutions.
  26. # [00:55] <TabAtkins> Rather than reading off the styles of individual elements, you'd change selectors that reference the current element names to use, I dunno, a unique class or something.
  27. # [00:56] <JonathanNeal> Ah! That's a good idea.
  28. # [00:56] <JonathanNeal> http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_cssom.html will this page tell you whether IE6 supports it?
  29. # [00:56] <JonathanNeal> While I understand what you're saying ... I haven't seen the syntax yet to do what you described.
  30. # [00:57] <TabAtkins> No, that's just for CSSOM View.
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  33. # [01:00] <JonathanNeal> I am just failing at the right google result to see how to do this.
  34. # [01:01] <JonathanNeal> http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_css.html#access ?
  35. # [01:02] <TabAtkins> Yes, that's it.
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  51. # [01:13] <othermaciej> nessy: we shall see! I think things will be fine
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  53. # [01:14] <nessy> I look forward to the further discussion!
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  57. # [01:18] <JonathanNeal> TabAtkins, all right, I'm halfway through the new parser.
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  63. # [01:46] <TabAtkins> Woo, first pass of new table-layout algorithm, custom-designed for Template Layout. www.xanthir.com/:tm7
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  67. # [01:49] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: btw it's spelt conceal, not conseal :-)
  68. # [01:49] <JonathanNeal> Shame on me.
  69. # [01:49] <JonathanNeal> :)
  70. # [01:50] <estellevw> JonathanNeal: did you post yet?
  71. # [01:51] <JonathanNeal> I posted the first version @ http://www.iecss.com/print-protector/
  72. # [01:51] <estellevw> cool
  73. # [01:51] <estellevw> now i can tweet it
  74. # [01:51] <JonathanNeal> but the next version uses an idea TabAtkins pitched where I parse through the stylesheets and generate a secondary HTML5 css file that works with classnames.
  75. # [01:51] <JonathanNeal> Wellllll I dunno if we wanna tweet it yet, do we?
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  80. # [02:07] <Philip`> JonathanNeal: Since you've mentioned it on IRC, surely it'll spread onto and around the Twitsphere by itself, so it's too late to try to stop it now
  81. # [02:08] <JonathanNeal> Yeap.
  82. # [02:08] <JonathanNeal> Can't I make your glass half full ever, Philip`? :)
  83. # [02:09] <Philip`> I don't expect you can fill that precisely - it'll always be slightly more or slightly less than half full
  84. # [02:10] <paul_irish> :) JonathanNeal i think its a good time to start leaking out
  85. # [02:10] <JonathanNeal> Yea go for it!
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  87. # [02:22] <JonathanNeal> I finished the new version.
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  89. # [02:25] <JonathanNeal> http://www.iecss.com/print-protector/example_print_iepp_1-2-0.html
  90. # [02:26] * TabAtkins will try to print it when he gets home.
  91. # [02:27] <JonathanNeal> TabAtkins, you can see the new code @ http://www.iecss.com/print-protector/javascript/iepp.1-2-0.js
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  93. # [02:56] <boblet> JonathanNeal: nice work on iepp!
  94. # [02:58] <boblet> “is piece of javascript” → “is a piece of javascript”
  95. # [02:59] <JonathanNeal> Good catch, updated.
  96. # [02:59] <JonathanNeal> boblet, you have a copy of ie?
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  98. # [03:00] <boblet> yes, but in a VM that is broken :/
  99. # [03:00] <boblet> so I guess that’s kinda no huh
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  104. # [03:10] <JonathanNeal> :)
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  108. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> Hixie: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9472 (deal with broken links in dynamic author view of spec by prompting users to choose to switch to full view)
  109. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> from discussion last monday
  110. # [03:22] <MikeSmith> I didn't manage to get around to raising it til now
  111. # [03:24] <MikeSmith> btw, I notice something else while looking at a validator.nu bug about option/@type=selected descendants of select/@multiple elements
  112. # [03:24] <MikeSmith> http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=734
  113. # [03:25] <MikeSmith> er, not type=selected of course, but just selected
  114. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> anyway, I can't find anywhere in the spec that states the conformance constraint that an option/@selected can only occur as a descendant of select/@multiple
  115. # [03:28] <MikeSmith> in contrast, the section on the file-upload state for the input element has a paragraph explicitly marked with a "Constraint validation" subhead that says, "Unless the multiple attribute is set, there must be no more than one file in the list of selected files"
  116. # [03:28] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/forms.html#file-upload-state
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  121. # [03:41] <MikeSmith> er, I guess the "Constraint validation" part is not relevant here, but the paragraph I cited that follows it is
  122. # [03:43] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9473
  123. # [03:46] <JonathanNeal> Okay! http://www.iecss.com/print-protector/ --- updated! Happy weekend, everyone!
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  128. # [03:52] * gsnedders waves
  129. # [03:52] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: hey
  130. # [03:52] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: I bought The Third Policeman, BTW
  131. # [03:53] <MikeSmith> are you waving goodbye, hello, or waving for help?
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  133. # [03:53] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: ah, great book
  134. # [03:53] <gsnedders> waving hello
  135. # [03:53] <MikeSmith> well, I envy you for being able to read The Third Policeman for the first time
  136. # [03:55] * gsnedders is going to end up writing a terrible blog post that he'll scrap, again...
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  139. # [03:58] * gsnedders rambles on endlessly
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  141. # [03:58] <MikeSmith> publish it under an assumed name
  142. # [03:58] <gsnedders> That won't help. It's still nonsense.
  143. # [03:58] <MikeSmith> e.g. Geoffrey Snedders O'Brien
  144. # [03:58] <MikeSmith> that'll throw people off
  145. # [03:59] * gsnedders still wants to finally start the art project he's had in his mind for a while
  146. # [04:00] <gsnedders> But everytime I think about it, I think of another way I have to conseal my identity
  147. # [04:00] <gsnedders> Like, to properly have an anon blog is a load of work
  148. # [04:05] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: here's another idea - just start a "The Fake Geoffrey Snedders Blog" and write stuff that would fit the stereotype that others might have of your private thoughts
  149. # [04:06] <MikeSmith> people would read it and chuckle about it and say, Man, whoever this guy is, he's got Geoffrey pegged
  150. # [04:07] <gsnedders> :P
  151. # [04:07] <gsnedders> So, basically, act emo?
  152. # [04:10] <MikeSmith> act like you're somebody who's not emo but who's trying to act emo
  153. # [04:10] <gsnedders> Man, that's a lot of acting
  154. # [04:12] <MikeSmith> well, it's only acting like you're not yourself but actually just being yourself
  155. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> a celebration of yourself
  156. # [04:13] <gsnedders> But that wouldn't be matching the stereotype
  157. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> well, that's why it's the Fake Geoffrey Snedders Blog
  158. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> it's a chance for you to explore another side of yourself
  159. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> the self-parody side
  160. # [04:14] <gsnedders> The wreckless, fearless, uncompromising one?
  161. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> The Third Policeman will give you some inspiration
  162. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: the laughing-through-the-tears side
  163. # [04:15] <gsnedders> Like I don't do that already.
  164. # [04:15] <gsnedders> I mean, all the world's a stage.
  165. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> yep
  166. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> and you are the star
  167. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> the tragic hero
  168. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> tragic comedy
  169. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> celebrate yourself in the manner of Walt Whitman
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  171. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> except with humor like Flann O'Brien
  172. # [04:16] <JonathanNeal> heyo, hey MikeSmith :)
  173. # [04:17] <MikeSmith> JonathanNeal: word up
  174. # [04:17] <gsnedders> Someday I'll just have to scream out in here that I'm married.
  175. # [04:17] <gsnedders> And that I'll start being euphoric all the time
  176. # [04:17] <JonathanNeal> ...
  177. # [04:17] <gsnedders> And get rid of this entire persona people have of me.
  178. # [04:17] <JonathanNeal> gsnedders, you okay?
  179. # [04:18] <gsnedders> JonathanNeal: Yeah, this is what happens when you enter mid-conversation
  180. # [04:19] <gsnedders> I mean, if I posted that on the Fake gsnedders Blog it'd blatantly be fake.
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  188. # [04:57] <wirepair> are there any plans to reserve a port for websockets? or is it up to the developer to choose?
  189. # [04:58] <wirepair> or only on the usual http/https ports?
  190. # [04:59] <wirepair> nm, it's in the ietf draft ;>
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  268. # [12:53] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 23:03:06
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  272. # [13:07] <annevk> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/interesting-times-for-video-on-web.html
  273. # [13:15] <Philip`> Summary for lazy people: Google is helping fund an ARM code optimised version of the Theora video codec
  274. # [13:21] <annevk> ah great, saves me some reading
  275. # [13:21] <annevk> :p
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  279. # [13:29] <KaOSoFt> Good morning.
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  310. # [16:53] <mikelifeguard> What doctype(s) must I use for a page including <video> to validate?
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  312. # [16:57] <annevk> <!doctype html>
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  315. # [17:03] <mikelifeguard> What'll happen to old or ancient browsers that see the html5 doctype?
  316. # [17:04] <annevk> nothing
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  322. # [17:21] <divya> mikelifeguard: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#doctype
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