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  1. # Session Start: Sat May 15 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  7. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> I wonder if anyone can come up with a response to this guy's signature: http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1652454&cid=32208264
  8. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> It seems like it would be pretty easy to do that in HTML5 if you had the original assets.
  9. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> (I mean, like actually porting Badger Badger to HTML5)
  10. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> . . . Probably not worth the effort.
  11. # [00:15] <othermaciej> I don't see a signature on that post
  12. # [00:15] <mbrubeck> I had to log in and turn off "Disable sigs"
  13. # [00:15] <mbrubeck> it's "Want to replace Flash with HTML5? First try porting Badgers."
  14. # [00:16] <Dashiva> At some point I'm sure someone will make a scene library of sorts to emulate basic flash animations
  15. # [00:16] <AryehGregor> With a link: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
  16. # [00:17] <AryehGregor> I'm surprised Slashdot signatures are disabled by default. The length limit means that they're by far the best signatures I've seen on any website.
  17. # [00:17] <AryehGregor> People only have room for a tiny bit of info, so they make it pithy or informative.
  18. # [00:17] <AryehGregor> One of my favorites goes something like: "I would have made this post shorter, but I didn't have the time."
  19. # [00:17] <Dashiva> Pssh, I'm on a forum with max 15 characters :P
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  30. # [01:23] <othermaciej> porting Badgers should be easy
  31. # [01:23] <othermaciej> given the source assets anyway
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  33. # [01:25] <TabAtkins> Yeah, if I recall Badgers is just a bunch of translations and scalings.
  34. # [01:28] <Philip`> Can you get good audio/graphics synchronisation?
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  36. # [01:30] <Dashiva> Philip`: Not needed, since the original badgers desyncs
  37. # [01:31] <Philip`> Oh
  38. # [01:31] * Philip` hasn't watched it enough to remember noticing that
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  52. # [02:37] <KaOSoFt> <input> elements don't have "class" or "id" attribute? Just "name"?
  53. # [02:37] <Philip`> All elements have class and id attributes
  54. # [02:37] <KaOSoFt> Nevermind... just read the "Global attributes"
  55. # [02:37] <KaOSoFt> ._.
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  58. # [02:45] <TabAtkins> Philip`: You have a corpus of pages to run regexps over, right?
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  60. # [02:50] <Philip`> TabAtkins: Yes
  61. # [02:50] <Philip`> I have http://www.dotnetdotcom.org/
  62. # [02:50] <TabAtkins> Oh, dotbot is you? Cool.
  63. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> So, do you index CSS files?
  64. # [02:51] <Philip`> No, it's not me
  65. # [02:51] <Philip`> I just downloaded their index sample
  66. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> Ah, kk.
  67. # [02:51] <Philip`> (which is on that page)
  68. # [02:52] <TabAtkins> kk.
  69. # [02:52] <TabAtkins> So, while I may go download that myself, for now, do you know if CSS files are indexed in that?
  70. # [02:52] <Philip`> (There's no CSS files in it)
  71. # [02:52] <Philip`> It's almost entirely text/html
  72. # [02:52] <TabAtkins> Dammit.
  73. # [02:52] <TabAtkins> kk.
  74. # [02:53] <Philip`> There's lots of inline <style>s, though
  75. # [02:53] <TabAtkins> Actually, that'd probably still be fine.
  76. # [02:53] <TabAtkins> You mind running /#[0-9a-f]{4}[^0-9a-f]|#[0-9a-f]{8}[^0-9a-f]/ over it?
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  78. # [02:54] <Philip`> It's not limited to <style>s, so it finds zillions of unhelpful matches
  79. # [02:55] <TabAtkins> For that string?
  80. # [02:55] <Philip`> like URL fragments, and numeric character references
  81. # [02:55] <TabAtkins> Hrm.
  82. # [02:55] <TabAtkins> Well, I've got something else running that should hopefully cough up results over the weekend.
  83. # [02:56] <Philip`> (I assume you wanted it to be a case-insensitive regexp)
  84. # [02:56] <TabAtkins> Yus.
  85. # [02:57] <Philip`> Even the {8} one just finds <!-- webmoney attestation label#5F42F595-4775-4728-9FD2-E06986259B01 --> and <li><a href="forum/post-272136-cat-1-pg-910.html#f2290890" class="selected" title="KLIKNIJCIE">KLIKNIJCIE</a></li> etc
  86. # [02:57] <TabAtkins> Bleh, that's useless. Kk.
  87. # [02:59] <Philip`> If I put color:\s* at the front then it's more helpful
  88. # [02:59] <Philip`> www.ot-cassel.fr/index.php?IdMenu=174&IdClassement1=52 #Ligne0 { background-color:#fafete; }
  89. # [02:59] <Philip`> www.climaton.com/sticker_choice.php?city=Bankston&state=IA&page=1 <FONT STYLE="font-family:arial,verdana;font-size:10px;color:#0000;">
  90. # [02:59] <Philip`> s4.invisionfree.com/UltimaOne/index.php?showforum=106 #submenu { border:1px solid #DDD;background-color: #FFF;font-size:10px;margin:3px 0px 3px 0px;color:#AAAA;font-weight:bold; background-image: url(http://209.85.12.236/4997/138/upload/p28044.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-x;}
  91. # [02:59] <Philip`> etc
  92. # [02:59] <TabAtkins> Hm, kk.
  93. # [03:00] <TabAtkins> Can you run it for color and background-color?
  94. # [03:00] <TabAtkins> And gimme the results?
  95. # [03:00] <Philip`> remix64.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=62229 <td class="gensmall" align="right">It is currently <b><span style='color:#10100000; font-size:10px;'>03/04/2009 - 0:50</span></b><br /></td>
  96. # [03:01] <Philip`> Can do
  97. # [03:01] <TabAtkins> Awesome.
  98. # [03:01] <Philip`> (color: will match background-color: too)
  99. # [03:01] <Philip`> Remind me to upload the results in ten minutes
  100. # [03:03] <TabAtkins> Oh, duh, of course it will.
  101. # [03:03] <TabAtkins> kk.
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  104. # [03:09] <Philip`> TabAtkins: http://philip.html5.org/data/color-4-8.txt
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  107. # [03:11] <TabAtkins> ^^;
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  109. # [03:15] <TabAtkins> Those damned swingers, with their giant lines that I can't find the matched bits in.
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  165. # [09:53] <zcorpan_> #abcdef/0.5
  166. # [09:54] * zcorpan_ thinks opacity should stay as [0,1] since people have gotten used to it by now
  167. # [09:55] <zcorpan_> #abc/0.5
  168. # [09:56] <zcorpan_> what about color keywords combined with opacity?
  169. # [09:56] <zcorpan_> papayawhip/0.5
  170. # [09:56] <zcorpan_> would be nice
  171. # [09:58] <annevk> rgb()/
  172. # [09:58] <annevk> rgba()/ ...
  173. # [09:59] <zcorpan_> i wouldn't apply it to rgb() or rgba() notations
  174. # [10:05] <ment> isn't "/" already used as operator?
  175. # [10:05] <zcorpan_> where?
  176. # [10:06] <ment> in css2.1
  177. # [10:06] <zcorpan_> which property?
  178. # [10:06] <ment> not property, grammar
  179. # [10:07] <zcorpan_> / is not special in the grammar, i think
  180. # [10:07] <ment> operator: '/' S* | ',' S*;
  181. # [10:07] <zcorpan_> ah
  182. # [10:07] <ment> i know you have another layer of property-syntax parser atop of grammar-parser, but still
  183. # [10:07] <zcorpan_> still, it's not a problem, is it?
  184. # [10:09] <ment> if you don't mind ending with c++-like parser in ten years, then no, it isn't
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  187. # [10:14] <zcorpan_> i wouldn't want to use an uglier character because the grammar splits it
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  189. # [10:14] <zcorpan_> we use operators in rgba() too
  190. # [10:18] <ment> hmm that's true
  191. # [10:19] <annevk> border-radius uses / too
  192. # [10:19] <annevk> font too
  193. # [10:19] <annevk> background level 3 too
  194. # [10:20] <annevk> not very special
  195. # [10:21] <zcorpan_> maybe the tradition so far is to use / in shorthand properties to split values of two property values
  196. # [10:21] <ment> but this would have to be parsed in the lexer
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  198. # [10:23] <annevk> zcorpan_, not in border-radius
  199. # [10:30] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: about.validator.nu doesn't talk about html5+aria+svg+mathml
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  203. # [10:49] <zcorpan_> www.Adobe.com/Choice/ is a sponsored link at the top of the google search result for 'html5'
  204. # [10:53] <annevk> lowercase C?
  205. # [10:53] <annevk> hmm, uppercase C, but if you would type that in you get an error
  206. # [10:54] <zcorpan_> interesting
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  247. # [14:55] <Dashiva> Oh neat, someone finally asked what content-language is supposed to be useful for
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  278. # [19:20] <zcorpan_> it seems srt doens't have comments like websrt does
  279. # [19:20] <zcorpan_> what happens in srt impl when there are websrt comments?
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  291. # [19:23] <annevk> websrt comments?
  292. # [19:23] <micheil> websrt?
  293. # [19:23] <Philip`> comments?
  294. # [19:24] <zcorpan_> the spec doesn't have comments apparently but http://damowmow.com/temp/srtspec does
  295. # [19:25] <annevk> copy-paste from text/event-source?
  296. # [19:26] <annevk> hmm doesn't seem like it
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  300. # [19:36] <zcorpan_> Philip`: validator.nu seems to have code to warn when a meta is sniffed as an encoding decl but there's no http-equiv='content-type'
  301. # [19:37] <zcorpan_> Philip`: maybe that could be used to find pages that have such meta elements
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  304. # [19:40] <zcorpan_> Philip`: for the purpose of researching the compat impact of http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9225
  305. # [19:42] * Philip` is probably too busy/lazy to do any research like that any time soon
  306. # [19:42] <zcorpan_> ok
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  326. # [21:16] <Hixie> zcorpan_: i gave up trying to add comments
  327. # [21:17] <zcorpan_> Hixie: good :)
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  329. # [21:54] <zcorpan_> http://www.chromium.org/sts seems useful
  330. # [21:55] <othermaciej> it really needs to be spec'd properly
  331. # [21:55] <othermaciej> I also hate the "includeSubdomains" option
  332. # [21:55] <othermaciej> trying to get STS into a standards body seems to be kind of stalled out :-(
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  334. # [21:58] <zcorpan_> it doesn't help the first time you visit the site, unless the site is listed in the preloaded list
  335. # [21:59] <zcorpan_> maybe we don't need a header at all, just the preloaded list combined with smarter default (if server redirects to https, assume it wants https in the future also)
  336. # [22:04] <othermaciej> the most important feature of STS (IMO) is not https-always but rather forcing hard rejection of self-signed or otherwise invalid certs
  337. # [22:04] <othermaciej> it would be nice to do that for all certs but doing it on an opt-in basis seems like a good starting point
  338. # [22:04] <othermaciej> STS isn't meant to help you the first time you visit a site, it's meant to help you if you have a pre-existing relationship with the site and want to access it under untrusted network conditions
  339. # [22:09] <annevk> wasn't there a more formal IETF draft of STS?
  340. # [22:10] <annevk> nm
  341. # [22:12] <theMadness> I'm apalled at www-style, :selection gets a lengthy discussion while there's still no fallback mechanism other than the media query thing webkit implemented for SOME things.
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  348. # [22:43] <Hack5aw> What Working Group? lol
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  350. # [22:44] <othermaciej> annevk: I don't think there has been yet
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