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  94. # [09:49] <hsivonen> shepazu: we are in the process of removing svg load event from non-<svg> elements. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552938
  95. # [09:50] <hsivonen> when I emailed the WG about the event, I didn't realize it applied to other elements per spec
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  130. # [13:28] <openstandards> Hi there
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  132. # [13:29] <openstandards> currently putting together an html 5 marked up site and was wondering about some semantics
  133. # [13:30] <openstandards> I've got a menu for a hotel and i'm wondering if an article with nested sections would be the best way to go
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  178. # [17:03] <alise> So I shouldn't use Ruby html5lib since it's unmaintained, yes?
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  186. # [18:41] <alise> html5lib using cElementTree is returning None for a perfectly valid html5 doc
  187. # [18:41] <alise> what gives?
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  205. # [20:48] <Philip`> Woah, the STIX fonts got released
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  221. # [22:28] <kamathln> Hi, I have a suggestion for html5 I would like to make. (I am a total noob here, so plese, go gentle)
  222. # [22:29] <kamathln> where do I propose the new idea
  223. # [22:35] <kamathln> anybody around?
  224. # [22:35] <Philip`> kamathln: The WHATWG mailing list is probably the best place for detailed proposals
  225. # [22:36] <Philip`> though you could mention it here first since people might be able to quickly point out common mistakes :-)
  226. # [22:38] <kamathln> Philip`: cool! Then here it is: I hope I am not suggesting something already suggested
  227. # [22:38] <kamathln> My idea is to have an option attribute to all tags that need to load external resources than the page itself . The name would be "priority"
  228. # [22:40] <kamathln> The user agent can, depending on priority of the external resource, decide whether to download the resource, the order , the bandwidth , etc ..
  229. # [22:41] <kamathln> Like I may have a small css file which contains essential classes like error class, and those that differentiate the widgets . I would like to give it high priority
  230. # [22:42] <kamathln> Another css that pulls in a bunch of whacky, heavy backgrounds and other images that spruce up that page can be given low priority
  231. # [22:42] <kamathln> the same can be applied to javascript as well.
  232. # [22:42] <kamathln> Philip`: what say?
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  234. # [22:44] <Dashiva> That doesn't sound all that useful
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  236. # [22:44] <Dashiva> For stylesheets, at least
  237. # [22:44] <kamathln> Dashiva: Okie, may be wrong example .. Think in terms of images ..
  238. # [22:44] <Dashiva> If the style changes randomly a while after loading the page, that wouldn't be a good user experience
  239. # [22:46] <kamathln> Dashiva: If the connection is that slow, wierd behaviour is gonna happen anyway. So its better we give priorities to essential resources
  240. # [22:47] <Dashiva> If the connection isn't slow, priorities don't matter
  241. # [22:47] <kamathln> yes. Thats the point
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  243. # [22:48] <kamathln> it does actually! If I am doing research, and I dont care about the looks of the page as much as content, I could switch off *non-essential* images
  244. # [22:48] <kamathln> priorities need not always be in numbers
  245. # [22:49] <kamathln> they could be something like "essential" "non-essential"
  246. # [22:54] <Philip`> kamathln: Have you seen http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_a_process_for_adding_new_features_to_a_specification.3F ?
  247. # [22:56] <nielsle> kamathlin: There are firefox plugins to disable flash advertisements, but I don't think that many website providers will help us avoiding to read advertisements. Maybe there is a conflict of interests
  248. # [22:56] <kamathln> My suggestion to whoever wrote that section: Examples give much better voice to the bulletted lists.
  249. # [22:56] <kamathln> Philip`: thanks for pointing though, Will try following it.
  250. # [22:57] <kamathln> nielsle: My idea is to hardly avoid advertisements. In fact , for my specific case, I use elinks as long as possible. When I really need to look at an image or there is videom I switch to firefox
  251. # [22:59] <Philip`> kamathln: Probably the most important thing is to start by identifying problems that are worth solving (I guess it's something like wanting pages to be usable as quickly as possible), rather than starting with a solution (a priority attribute) and then trying to list problems it might solve
  252. # [23:00] <nielsle> I think that gmail has a link that allows you to use a simpler html-based version of the site. Maybe such a link is the best way to solve the problem, but of course it would be nice if the webservice could discover automatically from the data provided by the client.
  253. # [23:00] <kamathln> Philip`: thanks
  254. # [23:00] <Philip`> since e.g. the problem of loading pages faster might be better solved by browser developers spending more time on speculative parsing and HTTP pipelining etc, which would benefit all pages, rather than adding support for a new attribute that would only ever be used by a tiny fraction of pages
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  260. # [23:22] <kamathln> Philip`: nielsle: thanks a tonne for the feedback and guidance .. its past my bedtime. Cya on Monday
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