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  31. # [01:20] <Hixie> i am embarassingly incompetent at remembering the css box model these days
  32. # [01:20] * Hixie tries to remember how inline boxes work
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  35. # [01:23] <TabAtkins> What specifically are you trying to remember?
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  38. # [01:29] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i need to turn a tree of WebSRT Node Objects (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete.html#websrt-node-object) into a tree of CSS boxes
  39. # [01:30] <llrcombs> How do I detect if a <video> is playing?
  40. # [01:30] <TabAtkins> If a particular video is playing, or if a video *somewhere* on the page is playing?
  41. # [01:31] <llrcombs> a particular <video>
  42. # [01:32] <TabAtkins> I think just check that video.paused and video.ended are both false.
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  45. # [01:33] <TabAtkins> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html#playing-the-media-resource
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  48. # [01:33] <TabAtkins> Read the paragraph "A media element is said to be potentially playing..."
  49. # [01:34] <llrcombs> ahh, paused
  50. # [01:34] <llrcombs> erm, wait
  51. # [01:34] <llrcombs> is there a reliable method of actually asking "is this playing"?
  52. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> llrcombs: No way of asking that directly. I gave one that works well enough - the spec itself describes a few more things you can check as well.
  53. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Hixie: So what exactly is the problem?
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  55. # [01:36] <Hixie> TabAtkins: not sure even where to begin in doing that, but that's just because i haven't read the css specs again yet :-)
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  59. # [01:39] <TabAtkins> I'd think you'd handle it in the obvious way - test, italic, bold, ruby, and ruby text nodes all create inline boxes. That's it.
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  61. # [01:40] <Hixie> well there have to be block boxes and ruby boxes and line boxes and the like
  62. # [01:40] <TabAtkins> Each group gets wrapped in a block box.
  63. # [01:41] <TabAtkins> Ruby boxes are just inline boxes with appropriate ruby display values set.
  64. # [01:41] <Hixie> inline boxes with display values set aren't inline boxes :-P
  65. # [01:41] <TabAtkins> Bah, semantics.
  66. # [01:41] <TabAtkins> Are you going in deeply enough to need to describe lineboxes?
  67. # [01:42] <Hixie> i have to go in all the way, don't i?
  68. # [01:43] <Hixie> not sure how else to make the spec well-defined
  69. # [01:44] <TabAtkins> Hm, I guess, since you're choosing to not require an existing html engine, which could just display them normally.
  70. # [01:45] <Hixie> "normally"?
  71. # [01:45] <Hixie> if it was a disconnected DOM tree I'd still have to hook into the CSS model pretty deeply
  72. # [01:45] <Hixie> only if it was a whole document would it be easy
  73. # [01:47] <TabAtkins> Hmm, I guess so.
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  113. # [03:44] <boblet> Hixie: what was the reason behind no XML literals in microdata? no compelling use cases?
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  115. # [03:55] <TabAtkins> boblet: Heading home for the weekend now, but I sent you a draft of my post via twitter.
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  117. # [03:58] <boblet> TabAtkins: sweet! will check it out
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  127. # [11:52] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 23:03:06
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  131. # [11:59] <annevk> how can you check in wireshark what the server transmits back?
  132. # [11:59] <annevk> I only see the outgoing part of the request
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  137. # [12:07] <annevk> hmm, used web-sniffer.net for now
  138. # [12:08] <Matjas> hurl.it is also pretty good
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  152. # [12:58] <Philip`> annevk: Wireshark ought to show traffic in both directions, but it may depend on what network interface you're monitoring
  153. # [12:58] <Slaanesh> annevk: You might be using the wrong filter
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  155. # [13:06] <annevk> I filtered on "http"
  156. # [13:07] <Slaanesh> I usually use "port 80" and that shows both ways
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  169. # [14:21] <annevk> no luck here btw
  170. # [14:21] <annevk> but it's not much of a problem anymore
  171. # [14:21] <annevk> though it would be nice to know
  172. # [14:24] <Slaanesh> Are you checking a wireless connection?
  173. # [14:24] <annevk> no
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