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  43. # [09:46] <boogyman> Can someone link me to the pages that highlights the differences between releases?
  44. # [09:47] <annevk> if you are talking about HTML5 there is http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker
  45. # [09:47] <annevk> and also http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/#changelog
  46. # [09:48] <boogyman> I thought the purpose of this channel is for HTML5 discussion?
  47. # [09:49] <annevk> did you read the topic? ;)
  48. # [09:49] <boogyman> it mentions the organization and a log url, that's it
  49. # [09:50] <annevk> it also says "Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!" at the end
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  69. # [11:56] <gsnedders> annevk: happy birthday!
  70. # [12:03] <micheil> Hixie: on the websockets protocol; I like the look of just a single format for messages; although, the idea of "oh yeah, it's just always binary data" needs to be changed
  71. # [12:03] <micheil> annevk: now that gsnedders' has mentioned it, Happy Birthday!
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  74. # [12:23] <jgraham> When people say Happy Birthday, it always puts "Unhappy Birthday" by The Smiths in my head
  75. # [12:23] <jgraham> annevk: But happy birthday irrespective of that
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  78. # [13:11] <gsnedders> jgraham: https://code.google.com/p/html5lib/source/detail?r=5872b5724934b9dd4193758e1d11bbaa79239236
  79. # [13:11] <gsnedders> jgraham: Does that get a non-ugly prize?
  80. # [13:11] <gsnedders> (not quite what you described yesterday)
  81. # [13:15] <jgraham> gsnedders: Doesn't self.dataStream.read(chunkSize) just return the empty string if there is no more data?
  82. # [13:15] <jgraham> So you don't need to chech if data:
  83. # [13:16] <Philip`> Am I totally misunderstanding or shouldn't you be adding _bufferedCharacter onto the beginning of data, not onto the end?
  84. # [13:16] <gsnedders> jgraham: No, it returns None, I think
  85. # [13:17] <gsnedders> Philip`: Yes I should
  86. # [13:17] <jgraham> Also, where does _bufferedCharacter get reset?
  87. # [13:18] <gsnedders> jgraham: where is it missing getting reset?
  88. # [13:18] <Philip`> gsnedders: Sounds like it needs tests cases :-)
  89. # [13:19] <jgraham> gsnedders: Well I don't see the code that makes _bufferedCharacter be None or the empty string or whatever when there is no character to buffer
  90. # [13:19] <jgraham> if there was in the last chunk
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  92. # [13:19] <gsnedders> jgraham: it is initially None, and it gets reset to None after it is used
  93. # [13:19] <gsnedders> line 354
  94. # [13:20] <jgraham> Oh
  95. # [13:20] <jgraham> OK
  96. # [13:20] <jgraham> Can you show me where dataStream.read returns None?
  97. # [13:21] <gsnedders> Well, actually, is it not dependent on the file object?
  98. # [13:21] <jgraham> Right, but a file always returns "" from .read when there is no more data, doesn't it?
  99. # [13:21] <gsnedders> Yeah, that appears to be true
  100. # [13:22] <jgraham> So that is what I would expect
  101. # [13:22] <jgraham> in file-like objects
  102. # [13:23] <jgraham> (also I am not quite convinced that detting bufferedCharacter to be "" when it is not needed and always doing bufferedCharacter + data should not be faster)
  103. # [13:23] <jgraham> (but I may be overestimating the optimisations in the python interpreter)
  104. # [13:24] <gsnedders> jgraham: premature optimization much?
  105. # [13:25] <jgraham> gsnedders: Well I like it because I think it makes the logic simpler
  106. # [13:26] <gsnedders> Bah
  107. # [13:26] <Philip`> jgraham: Seems like you should test that optimisation
  108. # [13:27] <Philip`> It doesn't seem a good idea if parsing a 5MB file results in an extra 20MB of memory-copies when you're prepending an empty string to each chunk
  109. # [13:29] <jgraham> That is indeed the worry
  110. # [13:31] <Philip`> Hmm, looks like it probably does do that optimisation, though it's not obvious exactly when it optimises strings
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  112. # [13:32] <jgraham> Yeah, I get similar numbers for the two cases in a trivial testcase
  113. # [13:32] <jgraham> Which might be highly misleading
  114. # [13:32] * Philip` was looking at the id()s of the strings
  115. # [13:33] <jgraham> That works too
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  172. # [21:13] <duryodhan> hi ... what language's HTML5 parser in HTML5lib is the recommended one ?
  173. # [21:14] <duryodhan> (talking about http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/ )
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  175. # [21:15] <Philip`> duryodhan: Only the Python version is being relatively actively maintained
  176. # [21:15] <Philip`> The others are obsolete and probably broken
  177. # [21:15] <duryodhan> thanks!
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  195. # [22:41] * Topic is 'WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/ -- logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
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