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  1. # Session Start: Mon Aug 30 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <matjas> Thanks for your answer, annevk!
  4. # [00:01] <AryehGregor> Wow.
  5. # [00:01] <AryehGregor> And no one's banned him yet?
  6. # [00:01] <espadrine> matjas: Just saw my mistake, sorry about that!
  7. # [00:03] <jgraham> AryehGregor: You didn't recognise the distinctive style?
  8. # [00:03] <annevk> i should really post a few of the good quotes on my blog
  9. # [00:03] <matjas> espadrine: No problem :) IMHO the spec is not very clear about this particular case
  10. # [00:03] <AryehGregor> jgraham, I thankfully have not had to read hybi.
  11. # [00:03] <annevk> matjas, or maybe you're just confused as to how URLs work?
  12. # [00:03] <annevk> ;)
  13. # [00:04] <AryehGregor> Well, thankfully regarding this guy in particular.
  14. # [00:04] <jgraham> AryehGregor: I have ignored everything he has written
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  16. # [00:04] <jgraham> But it is the same style as the Axiomatic Proof
  17. # [00:04] <matjas> annevk: / is the first thing I tried. Just found it weird I couldn’t find it in the spec. And then someone said / matches all documents on the server
  18. # [00:04] <annevk> I have enjoyed what most of what I read of him
  19. # [00:04] * Philip` recognised the distinctive style before even reading any of the words
  20. # [00:05] <annevk> matjas, could not find what in the specification?
  21. # [00:05] <jgraham> It's like a whole new class of troll
  22. # [00:05] <AryehGregor> Surely he's just dysfunctional, not a troll.
  23. # [00:05] <matjas> annevk: How to specify the index page in a cache manifest file, without explicitly using `index.ext`
  24. # [00:05] <jgraham> I guess he is not obviously malicious
  25. # [00:06] <matjas> annevk: All the examples I could find were just using file names
  26. # [00:06] <jgraham> But it has all the same effects as a troll so...
  27. # [00:06] <matjas> annevk: So using /foo.ext instead of foo.ext inside a cache manifest should work as well?
  28. # [00:07] <matjas> annevk: Can you put any URI in there?
  29. # [00:07] <AryehGregor> That's why I don't like the word "troll". It implies malice, which is hard to gauge.
  30. # [00:07] <annevk> matjas, / is just a URL
  31. # [00:07] <annevk> matjas, that it maps to /index.html in some server implementations is not something the specification should be concerned with
  32. # [00:07] <annevk> matjas, and yes, it takes any URL
  33. # [00:08] <annevk> he's a troll afaict: http://tantek.pbworks.com/TrollTaxonomy
  34. # [00:08] <matjas> [00:05:06] <annevk> matjas, that it maps to /index.html in some server implementations is not something the specification should be concerned with
  35. # [00:08] <matjas> → agreed, but all the examples in the spec are using it. Just wanted to make. Thanks!
  36. # [00:09] <annevk> matjas, you could file a bug asking for an example with URLs with leading slashes
  37. # [00:10] <annevk> cannot deduce from examples -> cannot find in spec is quite the leap though :)
  38. # [00:11] <annevk> if we had to put everything in examples the spec would be huge
  39. # [00:12] <matjas> annevk: Done: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10499
  40. # [00:12] <annevk> anyway, bedtime
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  44. # [00:21] <AryehGregor> Why the heck has Gmail not migrated yet from Gears to HTML5? At least basic localStorage use or something?
  45. # [00:21] <AryehGregor> It's really infuriating that my phone accesses my mail more smoothly than my desktop.
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  84. # [03:36] <zcorpan_> good morning
  85. # [03:38] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: morning indeed
  86. # [03:38] <MikeSmith> why you up so early?
  87. # [03:39] <zcorpan_> jetlagged
  88. # [03:40] <zcorpan_> came back from las vegas yesterday
  89. # [03:41] <zcorpan_> http://mathildaochsimon.se/brollopsresa
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  97. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: dude
  98. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> congratulations
  99. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> didn't know
  100. # [04:16] <zcorpan_> MikeSmith: thanks
  101. # [04:17] <MikeSmith> sharp suit
  102. # [04:17] <zcorpan_> the picture on that page was from before the wedding
  103. # [04:20] <zcorpan_> see my facebook avatar for the wedding suit
  104. # [04:25] <zcorpan_> so what's happened the past five weeks?
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  109. # [04:40] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: Webkit has an HTML5 parser now
  110. # [04:40] <MikeSmith> I think that happened within the last 5 weeks
  111. # [04:44] <zcorpan_> cool
  112. # [04:44] <zcorpan_> with foreign land support?
  113. # [04:45] <MikeSmith> yeah
  114. # [04:45] <MikeSmith> and entities
  115. # [04:45] <MikeSmith> abarth|pie: and Eric Seidel did that work
  116. # [04:46] <MikeSmith> zcorpan_: so you guys need to get one implemented too
  117. # [04:46] <MikeSmith> I think the Webkit guys produced a number of new test cases as part of their work
  118. # [04:46] <MikeSmith> including for document.write
  119. # [04:48] <zcorpan_> what else happened? i noticed websocket framing changed
  120. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> yeah
  121. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> um
  122. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> there are going to be some further changes there
  123. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> Ian Fette is now editing the protocol spec
  124. # [04:50] <zcorpan_> is the latest protocol spec still part of complete.html?
  125. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> and it seems it could end up becoming a bit more complicated
  126. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> yeah
  127. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> the latest that Hixie produced
  128. # [04:51] <MikeSmith> but the hybi wg is going to be publishing it separately somewhere
  129. # [04:52] <zcorpan_> so when fette makes changes, complete.html will be obsolete?
  130. # [04:54] <zcorpan_> foreign land parsing changed too, right?
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  133. # [04:56] <zcorpan_> oh it just reverted my bad suggestion
  134. # [04:57] <zcorpan_> or it seems it's different than before
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  137. # [05:03] <Hixie> when ian published his draft i'll take the protocol stuff out of complete.html
  138. # [05:03] <Hixie> publishes
  139. # [05:04] <zcorpan_> ok
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  216. # [09:16] <zcorpan_> Hixie: why did you remove support for '/' in targetOrigin?
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  219. # [09:20] <jgraham> Oh zcorpan_ is back
  220. # [09:20] <jgraham> yay!
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  222. # [09:24] <jgraham> zcorpan_: The hybi list has become more insane with the appearance of Shelby "Axiomatic Proof" Moore
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  224. # [09:25] <zcorpan_> jgraham: awesome
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  226. # [09:25] <zcorpan_> haven't read the hybi email yet
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  230. # [09:33] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: probably not worth the time to read
  231. # [09:34] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: and congratulations
  232. # [09:36] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: thanks
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  236. # [09:43] <zcorpan_> hmm, what if a vendor called "data" uses vendor--feature=""
  237. # [09:45] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: I guess we should blacklist vendors called data.
  238. # [09:45] <hsivonen> (or better yet, revert to _vendor-feature)
  239. # [09:45] <hsivonen> maybe Hixie did that already
  240. # [09:46] <hsivonen> awesome. My hotmail account that I've only used for debugging Hotmail is already getting spam
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  242. # [09:47] <asmodai> mmm, that's odd
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  245. # [09:47] <asmodai> why would Minefield have problems with Cleartype and bold font styling
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  247. # [09:47] <asmodai> the showing of the red/green parts on the sides of fonts is annoying :S
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  251. # [09:51] <hsivonen> does any browser have a debugger that allows breaking on the next click, mousedown or mouseup event handler?
  252. # [09:52] <hsivonen> i.e. breaking without no clue about where the event handler code lives
  253. # [09:53] <zcorpan_> dragonfly has 'stop at new script', dunno if that does what you want
  254. # [09:53] <hsivonen> let's see
  255. # [09:58] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: it seems to break where I want
  256. # [09:58] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: thanks!
  257. # [09:58] <zcorpan_> np
  258. # [09:58] <asmodai> mmm http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/fonts-1.png
  259. # [09:58] <hsivonen> now if Dragonfly had a way to pretty-print minified JS for debugging...
  260. # [09:59] <asmodai> The difference is bizarre
  261. # [09:59] <hsivonen> asmodai: which platform?
  262. # [09:59] <asmodai> Windows 7
  263. # [09:59] <hsivonen> asmodai: have you enabled D2D in Minefield?
  264. # [10:00] <asmodai> hsivonen: if it is not enabled by default, no
  265. # [10:00] <hsivonen> asmodai: Minefield has undergone all sorts of changes in terms of which rasterizer it uses for what fonts and what the defaults are
  266. # [10:00] <hsivonen> asmodai: I haven't paid close enough attention to say what the current set of rasterizers and defaults is
  267. # [10:01] <asmodai> I don't hope this will be the default though ;)
  268. # [10:01] <asmodai> err
  269. # [10:01] <asmodai> I hope this won't
  270. # [10:01] <asmodai> *sigh*
  271. # [10:01] <hsivonen> whatever the default becomes, someone won't like it :-)
  272. # [10:01] <hsivonen> :-( rather
  273. # [10:01] <hsivonen> I mean some people actually prefer ClearType over Quartz!
  274. # [10:02] <asmodai> Well, this just hurts your eyes after a little while -- and this is the default Windows 7 display way
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  276. # [10:02] <asmodai> Heh, both are hacks to accomplish their little goal
  277. # [10:03] <asmodai> also wonder where the little icons (image arrows) went to btw XD
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  279. # [10:04] <hsivonen> asmodai: good question. URL?
  280. # [10:05] <hsivonen> asmodai: do you see this font rendering difference on all pages on just this one_
  281. # [10:05] <hsivonen> ?
  282. # [10:05] <hsivonen> could it be that Minefield has just made everything bold?
  283. # [10:08] <hsivonen> debugging Hotmail's JS seems hopeless due to minification and debuggers stepping by line
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  286. # [10:14] <hsivonen> kudos to the Dragonfly team for revealing that a node has a given event handler
  287. # [10:14] <hsivonen> unfortunately, it doesn't show a disassembly of the JS function object
  288. # [10:15] <asmodai> hsivonen: all pages
  289. # [10:16] <asmodai> hsivonen: can give you another example in a sec
  290. # [10:17] <hsivonen> ooh. I get the disassembly in DOM Inspector in Minefield
  291. # [10:17] <hsivonen> too bad the disassembly is rather cryptic
  292. # [10:18] <Hixie> zcorpan_: send mail on the thread about vendor-- saying that data-* clashes. About '/', I'll be putting that back, I was over-eager in my reverts.
  293. # [10:20] <asmodai> hsivonen: http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/fonts-2.png
  294. # [10:21] <asmodai> also curious that the fonts are suddenly 1.2-1.3 times larger
  295. # [10:22] <zcorpan_> Hixie: ok, sent
  296. # [10:23] <Hixie> zcorpan_: ta
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  299. # [10:27] <hsivonen> asmodai: I suggest checking your gfx.font_rendering.* prefs in about:config and resetting them to defaults in Minefield if they aren't at the defaults
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  304. # [10:40] <zcorpan_> <iframe class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="385" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VIDEO_ID" frameborder="0"></iframe> - yay two invalid attributes
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  308. # [10:45] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: we should make frameborder=0 conforming, IMO
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  310. # [10:49] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: file a bug :P
  311. # [10:50] <hsivonen> hmm. Chromium nightlies have the HTML5 parser but not the newly-announced MathML support
  312. # [10:51] <hsivonen> abarth|fileapi: Do Chromium nightlies have some kind of hack that allows random scripts document.write() content magically before EOF in a spec-incompliant way?
  313. # [10:52] * hsivonen wonders why http://uglyducklinghouse.blogspot.com/ doesn't break in Chromium but breaks in Minefield
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  315. # [10:53] <asmodai> hsivonen: gfx.* is all default -- just checked
  316. # [10:54] <asmodai> hsivonen: So didn't have to reset anything.
  317. # [10:55] <hsivonen> asmodai: OK. I don't have an explanation.
  318. # [10:55] <asmodai> hsivonen: Guess I should log a bug for it.
  319. # [10:55] <hsivonen> yeah
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  327. # [11:19] <asmodai> hsivonen: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591887
  328. # [11:19] <asmodai> done
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  334. # [11:30] <hsivonen> asmodai: thanks
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  342. # [12:05] <asmodai> hsivonen: If I need to add anything, please let me know what's missing
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  347. # [12:32] <asmodai> hsivonen: interesting, I should try that with Aero off as well
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  353. # [14:42] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 23:03:06
  354. # [14:42] <zcorpan_> annevk: thanks
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  368. # [15:37] <annevk> hmm so scrollX/scrollY are the same as pageXOffset/pageYOffset
  369. # [15:37] <annevk> how did we end up with two?!
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  372. # [15:40] <Rik`> annevk: isn't there a difference on iframe ?
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  374. # [15:46] <annevk> they're on Window
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  393. # [16:44] <adactio> gsnedders: do you have time to answer a quick question about your outliner tool?
  394. # [16:44] <gsnedders> adactio: I guess.
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  396. # [16:45] <adactio> Thanks. I'm running this page through the outliner: http://huffduffer.com/popular and getting this outline: http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/process.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhuffduffer.com%2Fpopular
  397. # [16:45] <adactio> Now, I'm expecting to see an Untitled Section for the nav element at the top of the page, but I'm surprised by the placement of the Untitled Section in the outline.
  398. # [16:46] <adactio> Is the Untitled Section in the outline that nav element even though it comes *before* the first heading in the source order?
  399. # [16:46] <gsnedders> Hmm, interesting
  400. # [16:47] <annevk> your h1 is for the whole document
  401. # [16:47] <adactio> annevk: yes
  402. # [16:47] <annevk> well, actually, let me stay out of this, I'm not fully up to speed
  403. # [16:47] <jgraham> adactio: Yes
  404. # [16:47] <jgraham> It makes sense
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  406. # [16:49] <adactio> jgraham: yes, it does make sense. I was just surprised by the cleverness of it ...that having an Untitled Section *before* the first heading of the page still appears *under* that heading.
  407. # [16:49] <gsnedders> I'm not fully up to speed either
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  409. # [16:49] <gsnedders> I just wrote the code
  410. # [16:49] <gsnedders> (And a long time ago)
  411. # [16:49] <adactio> gsnedders: and very useful it is, too.
  412. # [16:49] <jgraham> adactio: It doesn't care about source order, only logical order (which depends on source order somewhat)
  413. # [16:50] <adactio> jgraham: Cool. The outline algorithm is smarter than I thought.
  414. # [16:50] <gsnedders> It's smart enough that it confuses me when I try and implement it
  415. # [16:50] <adactio> gsnedders: :-)
  416. # [16:51] <gsnedders> So really, Hixie is the person to ask about how it works. I only care if my code is b0rked. :P
  417. # [16:52] <adactio> So, I *think* if I had a document like: <body><aside><h1>Bar</h1></aside><h1>Foo</h1></body>, the outline would be Foo -> Bar.
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  420. # [16:52] <adactio> gsnedders: I fear your code may be b0rked for the file upload part (works fine by URL though).
  421. # [16:52] <annevk> why is there no textarea option for the outliner?
  422. # [16:52] <gsnedders> annevk: Because I'm lazy.
  423. # [16:53] <annevk> typical
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  425. # [16:54] <gsnedders> annevk: I'm a teenager, remember? :P
  426. # [16:55] <adactio> Yup, that's one clever algorithm: http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/process.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fadactio.com%2Ftest.html from http://adactio.com/test.html
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  428. # [16:56] <Rik`> adactio: maybe https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Sections_and_Outlines_of_an_HTML5_document can help
  429. # [17:00] <adactio> This *does* make sense to me: I just have to keep reminding myself that the body element is sectioning content. If I mentally replace body with section, it becomes clearer to me: <section><aside><h1>Bar</h1></aside><h1>Foo</h1></section> = Foo -> Bar
  430. # [17:01] <annevk> that foo is higher level makes sense to me
  431. # [17:01] <annevk> but that it comes before bar...
  432. # [17:01] <annevk> meh
  433. # [17:02] <Rik`> annevk: there should be an untitled section maybe
  434. # [17:03] <Rik`> 1. Untitled section 1.1 Bar 2. Foo
  435. # [17:03] <adactio> annevk: It makes sense (though it's not exactly intuitive): you could have a bunch of sectioning content things (navs, asides, etc.) *before* you introduce the heading of your content.
  436. # [17:04] <adactio> Rik`: that's what I initially expected but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense that it's 1. Foo 1.1 Bar
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  438. # [17:05] <adactio> It isn't exactly easy to explain, though. But maybe I'll give it a shot with a blog post.
  439. # [17:06] <jgraham> It feels very intuitive to me... If it didn't work like this it would be broken for common cases like adactio's original example
  440. # [17:07] <Rik`> yeah, I guess so
  441. # [17:07] <adactio> jgraham: for me, it's initially unintuitive but then becomes sensible ...if that makes sense.
  442. # [17:09] <jgraham> adactio: Yeah :)
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  444. # [17:13] <annevk> so scrollIntoView() and #target use the same algorithm
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  461. # [17:53] <annevk> can someone help me out with a definition for scrollIntoView?
  462. # [17:54] <annevk> basically, you need to go through all ancestor scrolling containers (in order), queue tasks to dispatch events and abort the moment you hit a scroll container which is not same-origin with the current one
  463. # [17:55] <annevk> scrolling containers can be either element or viewport
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  473. # [18:20] <annevk> i have something now...
  474. # [18:20] <annevk> For each ancestor element or viewport that establishes a scrolling box starting with the innermost scrolling box, in order:
  475. # [18:20] <annevk>
  476. # [18:20] <annevk> if the Document associated with the element or viewport is not same origin with the Document associated with the element on which the method was invoked terminate these steps.
  477. # [18:20] <annevk>
  478. # [18:20] <annevk> if the align to top flag is set align the top of border box of the element with the top of the scrolling box
  479. # [18:20] <annevk>
  480. # [18:20] <annevk> otherwise, align the bottom of the border box of the element with the bottom of the scrolling box
  481. # [18:20] <annevk>
  482. # [18:20] <annevk> left/right?
  483. # [18:20] <annevk> queue a task ...
  484. # [18:21] <annevk> not very good but better than what is in HTML5
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  486. # [18:23] <nimbupani> "If the document associated with the element on which scrolltoView was called is not same origin as document associated with the viewport or parent element, do not continue"
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  496. # [19:08] <gsnedders> Gah, my Xbox 360 after being unused for five months has decided to start crashing on me… in a I'm going to die way.
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  499. # [19:13] <AryehGregor> In my day, there was no such thing as a console "crashing".
  500. # [19:13] <AryehGregor> Crazy people, putting operating systems on gaming consoles. You get what you deserve.
  501. # [19:13] <annevk> defined
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  504. # [19:14] <TabAtkins> AryehGregor: You're in your mid-20s. Today is "back in [your] day".
  505. # [19:14] <AryehGregor> Early 20s, not mid-20s.
  506. # [19:14] <AryehGregor> I'm 22.
  507. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> Ah, you're a year younger than I thought.
  508. # [19:15] <AryehGregor> My day vis-a-vis gaming consoles was circa 1998.
  509. # [19:15] <AryehGregor> I had a Super NES, and some Gameboys.
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  511. # [19:16] * AryehGregor is about 22.6276 years old, in fact.
  512. # [19:17] <annevk> except for left/right scrolling
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  527. # [19:43] <ojan> is there a good page that outlines the life of a w3c spec?
  528. # [19:43] <AryehGregor> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/
  529. # [19:43] <AryehGregor> Particularly: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#Reports
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  531. # [19:44] * AryehGregor wonders why Hixie's bug-response script posts the diff in a separate comment from the response
  532. # [19:44] <ojan> AryehGregor: thx
  533. # [19:46] <jgraham> gsnedders: You want a Wii
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  535. # [19:50] <Hixie> AryehGregor: completely unrelated scripts
  536. # [19:50] <Hixie> my response is a bookmarklet
  537. # [19:50] <Hixie> the diff is my commit script
  538. # [19:50] <AryehGregor> Why aren't they the same script?
  539. # [19:51] <Hixie> i don't commit if i reject
  540. # [19:51] <AryehGregor> Hmm, makes sense.
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  542. # [19:52] <Hixie> they also run in different computers in different cities
  543. # [19:52] <Hixie> my response is done in my web browser on my laptop
  544. # [19:52] <Hixie> the commit is done on a computer I ssh to
  545. # [19:52] <AryehGregor> That part isn't an a priori reason why they should be separate, though.
  546. # [19:53] <jgraham> http://thewildernessdowntown.com/ is kinda awesome
  547. # [19:53] <jgraham> Need to work out why it isn't working in Opera
  548. # [19:53] <ojan> Is there any chance of getting a change to DOM3 Core?
  549. # [19:53] <ojan> Hixie: ^^^
  550. # [19:54] <ojan> WebKit is planning on changing to match Gecko https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19524
  551. # [19:54] <ojan> which violates the DOM3 Core spec
  552. # [19:54] <AryehGregor> Why does it open a billion windows in different places?
  553. # [19:54] <jgraham> ojan: Web DOM Core FTW
  554. # [19:54] <Hixie> AryehGregor: well somewhere i have to have a browser so i can see the bug in the first place, and i'd rather not to that part over ssh
  555. # [19:54] <Hixie> AryehGregor: and the commit can't be done anywhere by the machine where i edit
  556. # [19:55] <Hixie> AryehGregor: so... the simplest solution is what i have :-)
  557. # [19:55] <jgraham> AryehGregor: That is part of the experience
  558. # [19:55] <Hixie> ojan: yes, you just have to find an editor first
  559. # [19:55] <hober> I noticed the other day that Emacs' html-mode has some special highlighting for a <rev> element.
  560. # [19:55] <AryehGregor> They got opened in random hard-to-see places, though.
  561. # [19:55] <AryehGregor> Thanks, metacity.
  562. # [19:55] <jgraham> It seems like they could have not used OS windows though
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  564. # [19:55] <hober> Any idea what bizarre side-road of HTML history had such an element?
  565. # [19:55] <jgraham> Just <div>s
  566. # [19:56] <ojan> Hixie: that sounds...complicated
  567. # [19:56] <Philip`> hober: Maybe it's got element names and attribute names in the same list?
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  569. # [19:57] <jgraham> emacs' html-mode is quite dreadful
  570. # [19:57] * AryehGregor remembers that he's supposed to mark bugs he filed as CLOSED if he likes the resolution
  571. # [19:57] * TabAtkins forgets that he should do that.
  572. # [19:58] * jgraham too
  573. # [19:58] <hober> jgraham: indeed. I've looked into updating its lists of elements & attributes to match HTML5, which is when I encountered this weird <rev> thing.
  574. # [19:58] <hober> Philip`: that's what I first thought, but the special highlighting happens for <rev>foo</rev> and not <a rev=foo href=bar>baz</a>
  575. # [19:59] <hober> I couldn't find such an element in HTML 3.0 or HTML+, which seemed like the best bets in terms of elements-that-never-were
  576. # [20:00] <jgraham> You already tried the common source of insane elements :)
  577. # [20:00] <jgraham> Maybe it's just a bug?
  578. # [20:01] <hober> Yeah, it's probably a vestige of some other format the sgml-mode.el's author commonly edited at the time
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  581. # [20:22] <AryehGregor> Enums are a mess.
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  589. # [20:39] <abarth> hsivonen: i think our document.write blow-away-the-document behavior should match the spec
  590. # [20:39] <abarth> hsivonen: maybe we should look at a reduction?
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  595. # [21:01] * AryehGregor finds a spec bug in WebKit reflection code that's only reproducible if you set particular attributes in a particular *order*. Sigh.
  596. # [21:05] <cheeser> fun
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  602. # [21:41] * AryehGregor finds it interesting that his test suite has so far found more WebKit bugs than Gecko bugs, even though he's not done filing WebKit bugs yet.
  603. # [21:41] * AryehGregor isn't sure if this is because Gecko follows the specs, or because the specs follow Gecko.
  604. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> (both are low, though, compared to IE or Opera)
  605. # [21:42] <TabAtkins> Could be both, to be honest.
  606. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> (especially compared to IE)
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  608. # [21:57] <othermaciej> what are the specs in question/
  609. # [21:57] <othermaciej> ?
  610. # [21:58] <AryehGregor> This is on my reflection tests, http://aryeh.name/tests/reflection.html
  611. # [21:59] <AryehGregor> http://aryeh.name/tests/bugs_filed.txt
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  613. # [22:00] <AryehGregor> I've filed basically every bug I found in Gecko, but only some of the WebKit bugs so far.
  614. # [22:01] <AryehGregor> (ignoring things that have pending spec bugs open)
  615. # [22:03] <othermaciej> most of why I see reported in Safari is dir on various elements
  616. # [22:03] <AryehGregor> Yes, put "dir" (with quotes) in the box to hide that.
  617. # [22:04] <AryehGregor> I haven't reported most of the enum stuff yet, since browsers disagree a lot and some of it's changed very recently or might change soon.
  618. # [22:04] <AryehGregor> I was told that a bunch of the enum stuff changed recently, Firefox nightlies have it but not betas yet.
  619. # [22:05] <AryehGregor> Anyway, I'm filing bugs on all of it, at least for Gecko and WebKit.
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