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  1. # Session Start: Sun Sep 19 00:00:00 2010
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  6. # [00:20] <MikeSmith> \(^\t<h[1-6].\+\)\@<!\([1-9][0-9]\?\.\)\+[1-9][0-9]\?
  7. # [00:21] <aho> that's a very good question
  8. # [00:21] <aho> :>
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  16. # [00:44] <MikeSmith> aho: I didn't know til today that vim can do negative lookahead
  17. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> or whatever it's called
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  19. # [00:45] <gsnedders> negative lookahead assertions
  20. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> @<!
  21. # [00:45] <gsnedders> (which, as it happens, aren't JIT'd in any browser)
  22. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> oh really?
  23. # [00:45] <MikeSmith> in regular expressions?
  24. # [00:46] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: AFAIK yes
  25. # [00:46] <MikeSmith> so yet another great reason to avoid using regular expressions unless you really can't avoid it
  26. # [00:46] <gsnedders> Most regexp are JIT'd
  27. # [00:47] <MikeSmith> ok
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  29. # [00:48] <gsnedders> backreferences, assertions prevent stuff being JIT'd. I think there are other things too, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
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  85. # [04:58] <variable> MikeSmith - trying to use regex for HTML ?
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  146. # [11:39] <annevk> replied to Paul Duffin anyway
  147. # [11:39] <annevk> his arguments were extremely weak
  148. # [11:39] <annevk> also wrong, which made it easier :)
  149. # [11:40] <annevk> he suggested replacing -moz-x -webkit-x -o-x etc. with a single namespaced x
  150. # [11:40] <annevk> that is not just using namespaces, that is changing the entire approach
  151. # [11:40] <annevk> completely identical to the -wd1-x proposal from a couple of weeks ago
  152. # [11:40] <annevk> except that it uses the cumbersome namespaces syntax
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  157. # [11:57] * Ms2ger wishes that thread would die already
  158. # [11:58] <annevk> yeah well
  159. # [11:58] <annevk> hey btw, why are you no IE yet for the WebAPPS WG?
  160. # [11:58] <annevk> and if you become one, do you want to become co-editor again as Ms-two-ger? ;p
  161. # [11:59] <Ms2ger> I'll deal with that tomorrow
  162. # [11:59] <annevk> alright
  163. # [11:59] <Ms2ger> Doesn't matter much to me
  164. # [11:59] <annevk> btw, do you know if within a repo you can create another repo?
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  166. # [11:59] <annevk> mike asked me if I could put it on dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/somewhere
  167. # [11:59] <Ms2ger> No
  168. # [12:00] <annevk> right, that's what I thought
  169. # [12:00] <annevk> so I should just ask for a top-level DOM Core repo on http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/
  170. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> It would have made more sense to put that repo at hg/webapps/tests, IMO
  171. # [12:00] <jgraham> annevk: Or just make it a subdir of the other repository
  172. # [12:01] <jgraham> You might even be able to preserve history if you care
  173. # [12:01] <Ms2ger> This isn't CVS ;)
  174. # [12:01] <annevk> jgraham, you argued the other day that repos should be self-contained entities
  175. # [12:01] <jgraham> annevk: Well yeah they should
  176. # [12:02] <jgraham> Bu otoh it isn't obviously harmful to have all of WebApps in a single repository
  177. # [12:02] <annevk> indexeddb has a top-level repo
  178. # [12:02] <annevk> we can have one too
  179. # [12:02] <annevk> domcore is important enough
  180. # [12:03] <jgraham> OK, well if indexdb has set a precedent that is fine
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  182. # [12:16] <annevk> emailed request for clone, cc'd www-archive
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  190. # [12:50] <annevk> so I'm trying to update html5-diff
  191. # [12:50] <annevk> but really, nothing significant has happened
  192. # [12:50] <annevk> current list
  193. # [12:50] <annevk> <li>Numerous changes to the HTML parsing algorithm based on
  194. # [12:50] <annevk> implementation feedback.</li>
  195. # [12:50] <annevk> <li>The <code>hidden</code> attribute now works for table-related
  196. # [12:50] <annevk> elements.</li>
  197. # [12:50] <annevk> <li>The <code>canvas</code> <code>getContext()</code> method is now
  198. # [12:50] <annevk> defined to be able to handle multiple contexts better.</li>
  199. # [12:50] <annevk> <li>The <code>prefetch</code> link relationship can now be used on
  200. # [12:50] <annevk> <code>a</code> elements.</li>
  201. # [12:50] <annevk> <li>The <code>datetime</code> attribute of <code>ins</code> and
  202. # [12:50] <annevk> <code>del</code> no longer requires a time to be specified.</li>
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  214. # [14:07] <karlcow> someone wants to create a breadcrumb in the URL bar with nav elements, I could see links used for this with title attributes for the labels of breadcrumbs. Missing a bit of hierarchy. I wonder if it would take off though http://www.uxmag.com/technology/making-the-url-bar-useful-again
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  216. # [14:13] <annevk> nav elements?
  217. # [14:13] <annevk> hmm, that's what rel="up up" etc. is for
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  228. # [15:07] <karlcow> annevk: I guess what he calls nav element not necessary the one of html5 :) he might not know about the details of the spec
  229. # [15:21] <annevk> whoa, I haven't been following "html5" on twitter for a while
  230. # [15:21] <annevk> it seems now it's mentioned about every minute
  231. # [15:22] <karlcow> annevk: http://paper.li/tag/html5
  232. # [15:23] <annevk> interesting, "html5" does not include "#html5"
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  234. # [15:40] <MikeSmith> karlcow: are you aware of any standards for marking up dictionaries that are actually used across any production applications?
  235. # [15:41] <MikeSmith> I mean stuff that different dictionaries vendors might actually be using
  236. # [15:43] <MikeSmith> hmm, I guess in the free-software world, there is whatever format(s) that dict(1) uses
  237. # [15:45] <MikeSmith> but not sure there's even much of a format at all to that
  238. # [15:46] <MikeSmith> I think it just pulls pre-formatted text records for various DBs without doing any manipulation of them
  239. # [15:46] <Philip`> Wasn't SGML designed for marking up a dictionary?
  240. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> dunno
  241. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> I thought SGML was designed to replace GML
  242. # [15:47] <MikeSmith> SuperGML
  243. # [15:48] <MikeSmith> hey we should relay claim to the S* prefix
  244. # [15:48] <MikeSmith> for "Super"
  245. # [15:48] <MikeSmith> as an alternative to "eXtensible"
  246. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> We're using Web for that
  247. # [15:49] <MikeSmith> so XBL could be SBL, the Super Binding Language
  248. # [15:49] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: "Web" has 2 more letters than "S"
  249. # [15:49] * Ms2ger is stunned
  250. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> if we go with 3 letters, I vote for "SSS"
  251. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> SSSBL
  252. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> "extra Ses for extra Super!"
  253. # [15:51] <Dashiva> S also looks like 5
  254. # [15:51] <MikeSmith> yeah
  255. # [15:51] <MikeSmith> so it'd be sorta backward-l33t
  256. # [15:51] <Dashiva> S > X on t-shirts
  257. # [15:52] <Philip`> I always seem to notice Microsoft employees using "super"
  258. # [15:52] <Philip`> and pretty much nobody else
  259. # [15:52] <MikeSmith> that's because they "get it"
  260. # [15:52] <MikeSmith> they understand the word "super" and super value
  261. # [15:53] <MikeSmith> *has super value
  262. # [15:53] <Philip`> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/04/microsoft_nicely/
  263. # [15:53] <Philip`> I don't know if it's a Microsoft-specific thing or a region-specific thing
  264. # [15:53] <Philip`> but it seems quite noticeable
  265. # [15:54] <MikeSmith> ok
  266. # [15:54] <MikeSmith> point taken
  267. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> they seem to have laid claim to it already
  268. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> damn
  269. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> OK, let's revive "groovy"
  270. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> I bet they don't use that
  271. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> no wait
  272. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> Bitchin'
  273. # [15:56] <MikeSmith> the Bitchin' Binding Language
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  275. # [16:01] <annevk> if we can have three leading characters lets go for XXXBL
  276. # [16:04] * Ms2ger pushes "XXX DOM Core"
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  278. # [16:04] <annevk> objections?
  279. # [16:05] <annevk> I'm starting to think we should just go with "DOM Core"
  280. # [16:05] <annevk> but maybe that is too close to the original
  281. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> We can try
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  283. # [16:20] <wirepair> anyone here from opera?
  284. # [16:21] <annevk> somewhat
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  286. # [16:21] <wirepair> is there a better way of submitting security bugs than http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/
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  288. # [16:25] <annevk> is there something with wrong with what is explained there?
  289. # [16:25] <annevk> it seems to include guidelines for submitting security-sensitive issues
  290. # [16:29] <wirepair> i'm more concerned with how long things are taking :)
  291. # [16:29] <wirepair> and was curious if there's a person i could just mail directly instead
  292. # [16:33] <annevk> oh, that sounds bad
  293. # [16:34] <annevk> if you have a bug ID I can probably do something
  294. # [16:35] <wirepair> yeah one sec
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  307. # [18:04] <AryehGregor> annevk, I don't know if http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10267 is actually an issue in WebIDL -- I haven't read it, so it might clearly specify the result.
  308. # [18:05] <AryehGregor> It's poor form to file bugs against a spec you haven't read. :)
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  310. # [18:17] <annevk> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#delete
  311. # [18:18] <AryehGregor> Yes, I looked at the spec and saw that part, but didn't really understand it. I think I was told that the correct answer was to silently ignore the delete, and IIRC I filed a bug against Chrome for it.
  312. # [18:19] <AryehGregor> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43224
  313. # [18:19] <annevk> "If property with name P on object O has the DontDelete attribute, return false." prolly means silently ignoring
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  317. # [18:24] * AryehGregor notes that of the 15 WebKit bugs he's filed, 7 have gotten any response at all that was relevant to the bug, and 4 have gotten a response longer than one comment with no follow-ups
  318. # [18:26] <AryehGregor> Whereas of the 16 Mozilla bugs I've filed, only one has received no response.
  319. # [18:27] <AryehGregor> And only three have received just one response, of which one was INVALID with a legitimate reason, and one was DUPLICATE.
  320. # [18:29] <AryehGregor> And of my six Chromium bugs, four are resolved, and one I just filed a few days ago and it's in the process of being resolved.
  321. # [18:29] <AryehGregor> Maybe I should re-report all my WebKit bugs as Chromium bugs.
  322. # [18:32] <annevk> I guess there's no real project QA
  323. # [18:32] <annevk> at least of the kind that goes through incoming bug reports
  324. # [18:32] <AryehGregor> I've filed two or three Opera bugs too, but I have no idea what happened to them. Of the two IE bugs I filed, one got a "we've confirmed the problem" and the other got no response.
  325. # [18:33] <AryehGregor> Of course, this is somewhat biased by the fact that my median Mozilla bug is surely older than my median WebKit bug, but still.
  326. # [18:33] <AryehGregor> . . . also, I don't think more of the Mozilla bugs are actually *fixed*.
  327. # [18:35] <annevk> if you want follow-up to Opera bugs, feel free to give me bug numbers
  328. # [18:35] <annevk> s/numbers/IDs/
  329. # [18:36] <variable> AryehGregor, re mozilla bugs: I've seen some take over a year to get fixed
  330. # [18:36] <AryehGregor> variable, um, there are Mozilla bugs that have been open for ten years.
  331. # [18:36] <variable> re chrome bugs, of which I've filed 1, it got fixed within 3 days
  332. # [18:36] <AryehGregor> But it's nice to at least receive an indication that someone has looked at the bug and confirmed it's an issue.
  333. # [18:36] <variable> AryehGregor, yeah I know - longest mozilla bug I've seen open/unconfirmed is 5 years
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  335. # [18:37] <variable> I've seen some open longer - but with activity ;-)
  336. # [18:37] <AryehGregor> Yeah, that's my experience too. Chromium bugs get dealt with extremely quickly, Mozilla gets a response but is less likely to be fixed immediately, WebKit is usually ignored, Opera I can't tell, IE I'm not sure in general because I've only filed two bugs.
  337. # [18:37] <AryehGregor> Probably it varies by component somewhat.
  338. # [18:38] <annevk> might also depend on the issue
  339. # [18:39] <annevk> e.g. Chromium also has 16964 unresolved issues :)
  340. # [18:39] <annevk> which is more or less the same for every browser
  341. # [18:39] <variable> I'd love to figure out the statistics for avergage time to response and average time to completion ;-)
  342. # [18:39] <AryehGregor> But that's biased by the nature of the issues filed.
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  344. # [18:40] <variable> also - chrome has far fewer features and is newer so it has less code bloat. So most issues can be dealt with fairly fast
  345. # [18:40] <variable> Mozilla has some really ugly and old code
  346. # [18:40] <AryehGregor> Probably Opera and IE get the fewest (and highest-quality?) issues filed, because of poor visibility and poor usability. WebKit and Mozilla probably more. Chromium probably the most -- it's very visible and easy to use and you don't even need to sign up, if you have a Google account.
  347. # [18:41] <variable> AryehGregor, IE had some stats about the quality of bug reports
  348. # [18:41] <AryehGregor> Yes, I saw those.
  349. # [18:41] <AryehGregor> Basically, "the general public is a lot worse at filing bug reports than QA".
  350. # [18:41] <AryehGregor> I hope so, or else you've got some pretty terrible QA.
  351. # [18:42] <AryehGregor> But QA will find different types of issues compared to the general public.
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  353. # [18:46] <variable> AryehGregor, I'd like see a simpler "report a bug" function for the general public that is basically screenshot + bounding box + small comment
  354. # [18:46] <variable> and have QA/very technical audience do the rest
  355. # [18:46] <dbaron> annevk, you really think :not(a.foo) should be like :not(a):not(.foo) ?
  356. # [18:48] * Ms2ger found that weird too
  357. # [18:48] <AryehGregor> That doesn't make sense.
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  359. # [18:48] <AryehGregor> :not(a.foo) should match <a> and <span class=foo>, just not <a class=foo>.
  360. # [18:49] <annevk> AryehGregor, isn't that the same?
  361. # [18:49] <annevk> dbaron, oh wait, hmm
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  363. # [18:50] <annevk> dbaron, not anymore
  364. # [18:50] * annevk should probably stay out of :not() debates
  365. # [18:50] <dbaron> AryehGregor, also, re: mozilla bugs, a few thoughts: (1) Gecko bugs tend to get ignored when they're filed on Firefox instead of Core. (2) sometimes we have the bad habit of just ignoring bug reports we don't understand rather than saying "I don't understand this"
  366. # [18:51] <dbaron> annevk, you should probably clarify, since so far there's been unanimous disagreement with what bzbarsky suggested
  367. # [18:51] <AryehGregor> dbaron, (1) I always file against Core. (2) All but one received responses, and I'm pretty sure the remaining one is comprehensible: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586763
  368. # [18:51] * AryehGregor is pretty sure he files good bug reports, as a rule
  369. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Three people added themselves to the cc list, that's not ignored :)
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  371. # [18:52] <annevk> dbaron, replied to Paul Duffin who came to the same conclusion as bzbarsky
  372. # [18:53] <AryehGregor> I said it got no response, not that it was ignored. :)
  373. # [18:53] <AryehGregor> Not that I'm saying it really needs a response.
  374. # [18:53] <annevk> so Chromium people fix those kind of bugs instantly?
  375. # [18:54] <annevk> seems weird
  376. # [18:54] <AryehGregor> Not necessarily, it's just a general impression I get.
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  378. # [18:56] <AryehGregor> I'm mostly annoyed at the lack of response to the WebKit bugs. Not even confirmed.
  379. # [18:57] <dbaron> AryehGregor, also, it's clear from the activity that bzbarsky saw it and cc:ed people on it; he just didn't say anything
  380. # [18:57] <annevk> AryehGregor, ask on webkit-dev about it?
  381. # [18:58] <AryehGregor> dbaron, my point was to compliment Mozilla's bug handling, relative to WebKit.
  382. # [18:58] <AryehGregor> Not to denigrate it.
  383. # [18:58] <dbaron> ok, well, I'm glad you think it's good.
  384. # [18:58] <dbaron> It could be better sometimes
  385. # [18:58] <dbaron> but anyway
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  387. # [18:59] <AryehGregor> I can't really complain about the Mozilla bugs I've filed except to say they don't always get fixed, which is kind of inevitable.
  388. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> Patches welcome :)
  389. # [19:00] <AryehGregor> I know.
  390. # [19:00] <variable> dbaron, if a bug gets reported to the wrong component someone should really tell the reporter and and re-triage it. I don't always know which component to report issues with
  391. # [19:00] <AryehGregor> Which is why I didn't complain. :)
  392. # [19:00] <AryehGregor> Some of these are pretty trivial, maybe I'll submit a patch to fix another one.
  393. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> Good, then I don't have to do it
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  395. # [19:01] <dbaron> variable, that usually happens if the component it starts with is something other than Firefox::General
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  406. # [19:17] <annevk> jgraham, http://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/web-dom-core/changeset/562deb8e647e
  407. # [19:19] <weinig> Ms2ger: ping
  408. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> Pong
  409. # [19:19] <variable> AryehGregor, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554 --> oldest open mozilla bug I could find ;-)
  410. # [19:19] <weinig> Ms2ger: hi, I am curious what the comment on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data means
  411. # [19:20] <variable> MikeSmith, <MikeSmith> :%s/\(^.*<h[1-6].\+\)\@<!\(\([AB]\.\)\?\([1-9][0-9]\?\.\)\+[1-9][0-9]\?\)\([^0-9]\)/<a href="#x\2">\2<\/a>\5/gc ---> are you trying to use regex to parse HTML?
  412. # [19:20] <weinig> the implementation status says that WebKit does not pass all the relevent tests
  413. # [19:20] <weinig> and I am curious what tests (other than the two linked there) it is referring to
  414. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> Don't read too much into that
  415. # [19:20] <weinig> so I can fix them :)
  416. # [19:20] <weinig> Ms2ger: oh
  417. # [19:20] <weinig> Ms2ger: how much should I read into it
  418. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> A rough indication at the very best
  419. # [19:22] <weinig> Ms2ger: hm, ok, that is a bit confusing
  420. # [19:22] <weinig> Ms2ger: but ok
  421. # [19:22] <Ms2ger> It's got too many states to keep up to date
  422. # [19:23] * bl4ckcomb_ is now known as bl4ckcomb
  423. # [19:23] <weinig> Ms2ger: is there a way we should notifying people when they are wrong?
  424. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> Change it yourself :)
  425. # [19:24] <weinig> Ms2ger: oh, fair enough
  426. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Or file a bug
  427. # [19:24] <weinig> both very fair options, thanks!
  428. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Np
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  439. # [20:41] <jgraham> annevk: When you get Web DOM Core onto W3C, can you start using the HTML5 copy of testharnes.js
  440. # [20:41] <jgraham> At leat one of those bugfixes is a duplicate of something I already fixed
  441. # [20:41] <jgraham> Having multiple copies of things sucks
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  443. # [20:43] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I don't understand what you are trying to achieve with the change on line 350
  444. # [21:09] <annevk> yeah, we should figure out something
  445. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> To make sure that this.message is a template
  446. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> There's way too many document.all-like things in testharness.js
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  452. # [21:38] <annevk> whoa http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1521225/
  453. # [21:38] <annevk> did not know
  454. # [21:39] <AryehGregor> Compiling Firefox seems to produce a crazy number of warnings, at least by default. I'm not used to these "compiler" things, but wouldn't it make sense to either fix them, or silence them?
  455. # [21:39] * AryehGregor has heard that WebKit uses -Werror
  456. # [21:40] <AryehGregor> (plus -Wall, -Wextra, and lots of other -W's)
  457. # [21:41] <Ms2ger> We're working on them
  458. # [21:42] <Ms2ger> But yes, there are a lot
  459. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> Can't you institute a policy like "new commits must not introduce new warnings", at least? Or do you already have such a policy?
  460. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> It's hard to see the new ones among the old ones
  461. # [21:44] <AryehGregor> Well, we have computers for that, right? :)
  462. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> We tried to use -Werror on selected directories, but that would mean you have to test on all platforms before pushing
  463. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> And makes it harder to use newer compilers
  464. # [21:47] <AryehGregor> How does WebKit deal with that, I wonder?
  465. # [21:47] <AryehGregor> othermaciej was the one who mentioned WebKit uses -Werror, so I'd ask him, but he's not here.
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  467. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> They have a bot that tries compiling all submitted patches, or something like that
  468. # [21:49] <AryehGregor> And Mozilla commits it and then tries compiling it? Trying to compile and run all tests before the commit succeeds makes more sense, no?
  469. # [21:49] <AryehGregor> (so people don't check out broken code by mistake)
  470. # [21:50] <hsivonen> AryehGregor: the try server doesn't flag new warnings
  471. # [21:50] <AryehGregor> (you probably aren't the best person to ask these questions of :) )
  472. # [21:50] <hsivonen> but if you end up pushing new warnings to mozilla-central, you will get bugmail about it
  473. # [21:51] <AryehGregor> So is the total number of warnings actually decreasing? Are trivial patches to eliminate warnings welcome? I saw some quite trivial ones, like suggesting you use parentheses with || nested in &&.
  474. # [21:51] * AryehGregor doubts he'd be interested in spending his time on that, but is wondering anyway
  475. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> Very welcome
  476. # [21:52] * Ms2ger should actually get around to creating bugs for the warnings he's fixed locally
  477. # [21:52] <hsivonen> I don't really know what the trend is
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  479. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> How widely supported is Array.isArray?
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  481. # [22:05] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I think making this.message a template might be a mistake
  482. # [22:05] <jgraham> (my mistake, obviously)
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  484. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> I don't disagree
  485. # [22:05] <jgraham> Ms2ger: What do you mean "document.all like things"
  486. # [22:06] <jgraham> ?
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  488. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> Returning a node instead of an array with a single node in it
  489. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> So you have to check everywhere what you got
  490. # [22:07] <jgraham> In the templaing system?
  491. # [22:08] <jgraham> *templating
  492. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> template.render in particular, yes
  493. # [22:09] <jgraham> (I am not unconvinced that the whole templaing system isn't a giant clusterfuck. But I'm not sure what is good)
  494. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> Too many negatives :)
  495. # [22:10] <jgraham> I think it might be a bad idea
  496. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> What's the use case for it anyway :)
  497. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> nn
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  502. # [22:29] <jgraham> Ah, Ms2ger left
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  504. # [22:30] <jgraham> I guess I havr to save my defence for some other time
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