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  52. # [02:13] <MikeSmith> othermaciej: I had bugmail set to also send notifications when status of a bug changes
  53. # [02:13] <MikeSmith> you really want it only for new bugs?
  54. # [02:13] <MikeSmith> not for status changes?
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  56. # [02:19] <othermaciej> MikeSmith: I don't terribly mind them myself, but my original suggestion was new bugs only, so maybe we should start with that so people get what they signed up for
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  58. # [02:19] <othermaciej> MikeSmith: maybe we can add more notifications later if we need to
  59. # [02:22] <MikeSmith> ok
  60. # [02:22] <MikeSmith> now set to just notifications for new bugs
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  62. # [02:27] <nessy> I like that - I can always subscribe to updates for those bugs that I care about
  63. # [02:27] <Hixie> yeah new bugs only makes sense to me too
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  135. # [06:14] <GPHemsley> hsivonen, Hixie: Keep in mind that what I consider noise is likely very different from what you consider noise. ;)
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  163. # [08:28] * Topic is 'WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/ -- logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  164. # [08:28] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 23:03:06
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  169. # [08:32] <annevk> oh, extensibility went to vote
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  237. # [11:12] <annevk> zcorpan, maybe you should add your suggestion for what to replace non-normative with here: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10626
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  247. # [11:30] <zcorpan> done
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  287. # [14:15] <hsivonen> cool. Opera has added support for &TRADE;. More interop!
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  294. # [14:33] <annevk> hsivonen, we did that in August 2006...
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  296. # [14:41] <jacobolus> do events sent to dom elements work synchronously or asynchronously?
  297. # [14:41] <jacobolus> that is, if I'm in the middle of some function foo and I fire off an event to some div or svg shape, will the object handle that event before the rest of foo finishes, or after?
  298. # [14:43] <annevk> if you dispatch it yourself, before
  299. # [14:43] <annevk> otherwise, it depends
  300. # [14:43] <jgraham> Oh, dispatchEvent is sync?
  301. # [14:43] <hsivonen> annevk: I'm slow to notice, I guess. I have a note to make validator.nu whine about &TRADE; on Opera compat grounds. I guess I won't implement that feature.
  302. # [14:44] <annevk> oh wow
  303. # [14:44] <jgraham> ?
  304. # [14:45] <annevk> jgraham, yes it's sync
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  306. # [14:46] <hsivonen> and IE9 supports &apos;, so that took care of itself before I got around to make V.nu warn about that one
  307. # [14:47] <annevk> I wonder if IE dropped support for entities it had in addition to those that are in HTML5
  308. # [14:47] <jgraham> Oh, I guess it must be really
  309. # [14:47] <jgraham> Since it returns a value
  310. # [14:47] <annevk> I personally thought they made sense...
  311. # [14:47] * jgraham has managed to mostly avoid dispatchEvent
  312. # [14:48] <annevk> jgraham, yeah, it's also "queue a task to dispatch an event" when you want async in spec lang
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  314. # [14:49] <jgraham> Yeah. Seems liek you should be able to make async events from user code though
  315. # [14:49] <annevk> just use setTimeout
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  317. # [14:50] <jgraham> Yeah, I guess that has the right effect
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  319. # [14:51] <jacobolus> annevk: okay, thanks
  320. # [14:52] <jacobolus> annevk: I guess it's useful to have it sync, since it's not hard to wrap in a setTimeout if you want async &c.
  321. # [14:53] <jacobolus> oh, you said that
  322. # [14:53] <jacobolus> heh
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  326. # [14:59] <jacobolus> maybe someone here has some advice then. I'm trying to build up some drag/drop for SVG objects.
  327. # [14:59] <jacobolus> my intended method is to have the whole svg area have a 'mousedown' handler that figures out the object being clicked using elementFromPoint, and then registers 'mousemove', 'mouseup' (again on the whole svg area) and I can then put the logic about how far the mouse should move before it's considered a drag, etc. in this one place.
  328. # [14:59] <jacobolus> to figure out what object is underneath the drag, the mousemove handler hides the dragged object, does elementFromPoint, and then shows the dragged object again, and I write my own logic to figure out when we're hovering over new drop targets, etc.
  329. # [15:01] <jacobolus> actually, hold that thought. I'm going to change seats. bb10
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  336. # [15:22] <jacobolus> well, if anyone has any thoughts, I'm back, but now a question too. is there any way to get the mouse position when it's not over the viewport?
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  345. # [15:47] <annevk> it's great that bug 10720 references Microsoft for good practice on not messing up standards
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  347. # [15:58] <Philip`> Hmm, is test.w3.org down?
  348. # [15:58] <Philip`> Sadly I can't use downforeveryoneorjustme.com because it seems to return 404 for URLs starting with the string "test"
  349. # [15:59] <jgraham> Down for me, but dvcs is up
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  367. # [16:24] <jacobolus> hmm. okay, another question then. is there any way to get a mouseup event if someone starts dragging while in the browser window and then releases the mouse somewhere outside?
  368. # [16:25] <jacobolus> annevk: ?
  369. # [16:25] <nimbupani> you can do a dragStart event on browsers that support it.
  370. # [16:25] <jacobolus> nimbupani: which is that?
  371. # [16:26] <annevk> jacobolus, maybe with setCapture stuff? (not standardized, not interoperable)
  372. # [16:26] <nimbupani> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DragDrop/Drag_Operations
  373. # [16:26] <annevk> jacobolus, but don't really know
  374. # [16:26] <jacobolus> nimbupani: this isn't too promising http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.html
  375. # [16:26] <jacobolus> (at least the first couple sentences)
  376. # [16:30] <nimbupani> true, but Opera still does not support drag and drop http://caniuse.com/#feat=dragndrop
  377. # [16:30] <annevk> thanks Philip`
  378. # [16:31] <jacobolus> nimbupani: so do you know if there's a drag outside the browser window, and the user releases the mouse, will I get some event?
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  380. # [16:32] <nimbupani> i saw such a demo once.
  381. # [16:32] <nimbupani> so I am looking
  382. # [16:33] <nimbupani> here you are http://londonwebstorenight.appspot.com/html5/index.html#slide20
  383. # [16:34] <nimbupani> it uses dragstart tho.
  384. # [16:34] <nimbupani> and I think it cancels events for other drag ops.
  385. # [16:37] <jacobolus> nimbupani: it looks like that's sending some info to the world that there's a thing being dragged that can be dropped outside
  386. # [16:37] <jacobolus> e.g. the interface implies I can drop on dock icons, the desktop, my chat client, etc.
  387. # [16:37] <jacobolus> which isn't quite what I want
  388. # [16:38] <nimbupani> not really it only says you can drag
  389. # [16:38] <jacobolus> I just want to be able to catch mouseup whether the user is over the browser or not
  390. # [16:38] <nimbupani> the dataTransfer is only when the drag ends
  391. # [16:38] <nimbupani> you can put whatever you want within function(e) {}
  392. # [16:38] <jacobolus> nimbupani: sure, but whether there's dataTransfer or not safari acts like I can drop stuff anywhere
  393. # [16:39] <jacobolus> nimbupani: e.g. in slide 18
  394. # [16:39] <jacobolus> or is that a safari bug?
  395. # [16:39] <nimbupani> oh i was only looking at it in chrome :)
  396. # [16:39] <nimbupani>
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  398. # [16:40] <nimbupani> oh i see it. you mean the + sign?
  399. # [16:41] <nimbupani> that only exists because there is a listener for it in that drop area.
  400. # [16:41] <jacobolus> nimbupani: I mean that if I drag the object into any other app on my system, it is implied that I can drop there
  401. # [16:42] <nimbupani> that is a feature of the mac itself I think.
  402. # [16:42] <nimbupani> oh no
  403. # [16:42] <nimbupani> it only works on safari
  404. # [16:43] <jacobolus> perhaps a safari bug?
  405. # [16:43] <nimbupani> or a safari feature? :P
  406. # [16:43] <jacobolus> is every draggable object supposed to be droppable on the world?
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  408. # [16:43] <jacobolus> or just some of them?
  409. # [16:43] <jacobolus> clearly some should be
  410. # [16:43] <jacobolus> (so maybe everyone's buggy?)
  411. # [16:44] <nimbupani> ideally it should be droppable anywhere.
  412. # [16:44] <jacobolus> some objects should be
  413. # [16:45] <jacobolus> but I think there are some that should probably stay within the web app
  414. # [16:45] <nimbupani> i dont think you can set where it can be dropped though.
  415. # [16:45] <nimbupani> you can only add listeners to drop targets AFAIK
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  442. # [17:31] <Philip`> hsivonen: Is there a known reason why htmlparser-statistics.jar might use lots more heap space than a standard htmlparser-1.2.2.jar?
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  447. # [17:40] <Philip`> Ah, seems better when I give the JVM 2GB
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  453. # [17:50] <Philip`> hsivonen: http://philip.html5.org/data/parser-stats-raw.xml.bz2 is the raw data
  454. # [17:50] <Philip`> (with a <processed> line for each page it started processing, and a <stats> line for each time the handler got called)
  455. # [17:53] <Philip`> http://parsetree.validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4clubs.ch%2Flms.php%3Fmodule%3Ddivers is quite a bit of nesting
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  458. # [17:59] <Philip`> http://parsetree.validator.nu/?doc=http://www.vdofilm.com/webwinkel/contents/nl/d102_01.html does quite well on outer loop entries (around 60% down that page)
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  466. # [18:15] <cardona507> i just realized that the html-wg doesn't have digest mode for the mailing list
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  471. # [18:26] <annevk> cardona507, don't you have filters and such for that?
  472. # [18:26] <annevk> digest seems so old fashioned; for the time when clients sucked
  473. # [18:26] <cardona507> i actually like diges
  474. # [18:26] <cardona507> heh
  475. # [18:27] <cardona507> *digest
  476. # [18:27] <cardona507> fine tuning my filter as we speak
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  510. # [19:51] <hober> As I tweeted the other day: ISSUE-41 has gone to poll, and I know I only captured some of the relevant arguments in the zero-edit CP. I encourage everyone to respond to the poll if you feel you have a point not already covered in that CP. Thanks!
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  542. # [20:57] <variable> does anyone know where the bulk of the security discussion about iframe srcdoc and sandbox attributes occured?
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  544. # [21:00] <variable> I found BUG-100 which is to remove the element - but I can't find the original discussion
  545. # [21:04] <Philip`> I would assume the WHATWG list
  546. # [21:05] <variable> Philip`, I've been searching the archives but I can't find anything
  547. # [21:05] <variable> do you know the name of any threads?
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  549. # [21:09] <Philip`> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0491.html may be relevant
  550. # [21:09] <variable> http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-July/015349.html is what I found
  551. # [21:13] <Philip`> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008May/0326.html looks like one of the first suggestions for doc="..."
  552. # [21:16] <variable> Philip`, thanks - let me read that thread now
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  608. # [23:44] * Quits: justinhjohnson (~justinjn@67-131-94-2.dia.static.qwest.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  609. # [23:44] * justinhjohnson_ is now known as justinhjohnson
  610. # [23:46] * ry_ is now known as ry
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  613. # [23:57] <Hixie> my mac has started ignoring responses from my DHCP server
  614. # [23:57] <Hixie> wtf
  615. # [23:57] * Quits: Maurice (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  616. # [23:57] <Hixie> it connects to the wifi network, and i can see the DHCP response in a tcpdump of the network seen from the laptop
  617. # [23:58] <Hixie> but the IP remains set to one of the autoconfigured IPs
  618. # Session Close: Sat Sep 25 00:00:00 2010

The end :)