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  11. # [00:11] <TabAtkins> Oh god. AryehGregor, I apologize unofficially for the UI for <input type=date>. How did someone honestly think this was an improvement over no UI?
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  17. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> Dang, I didn't realize <progress> and <meter> landed in Chrome 6. They've got pretty decent UI!
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  21. # [00:23] <hober> yeah, looking nice
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  24. # [00:38] <smaug____> huh, progress looks pretty terrible
  25. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> Really? I think it's just fine.
  26. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> indeterminate especially
  27. # [00:39] <smaug____> though Chrome 6 doesn't really use right theming on Linux anyway
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  31. # [00:47] <TabAtkins> smaug____: Oh, wait, never mind. It does suck on Linux. It's pretty on Windows, though.
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  42. # [01:20] <MikeSmith> othermaciej: so where will the Nov 16-18 TC39 be?
  43. # [01:20] <othermaciej> MikeSmith: no idea, the discussion has left me rather confused
  44. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> ok
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  48. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> othermaciej: maybe olliej knows
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  92. # [03:46] <webr3> anybody know if there's a javascript reference implementation of the html 5 parsing rules?
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  99. # [04:13] <JoePeck> webr3: heh, I have a feeling a JS implementation would cheat and do something like: var temp = document.createElement('div'); temp.innerHTML = htmlString;
  100. # [04:13] <Hixie> heh
  101. # [04:13] <JoePeck> webr3: of course in an HTML5 compatible browser =)
  102. # [04:13] <JoePeck> Hixie: don't you have a tool?
  103. # [04:13] <Hixie> hsivonen ported his java code to JS iirc
  104. # [04:14] <Hixie> http://livedom.validator.nu/ i think
  105. # [04:14] <JoePeck> thats what I was thinking of =)
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  111. # [04:34] <webr3> JoePeck, was thinking about more on the server side / nodejs or similar
  112. # [04:34] * webr3 also needs a streaming parser on the client side - will sort something out though myself, could be fun
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  215. # [13:51] <annevk> Ms2ger, ah, you have been fixing DOM Core some more, great
  216. # [13:51] <annevk> Ms2ger, you don't have a W3C account?
  217. # [13:52] <Ms2ger> I do
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  219. # [13:52] <Ms2ger> w3c hg never seems to work, though
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  221. # [13:53] <annevk> do you use https?
  222. # [13:53] <Ms2ger> Yes
  223. # [13:53] <annevk> https://username@dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore wfm usually
  224. # [13:53] <annevk> prefixed with hg push
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  229. # [14:14] <annevk> is there a good resource somewhere that explains the need for multiple browser engines to exist?
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  231. # [14:24] <Dashiva> Even if there was no need, there would still be multiple
  232. # [14:24] <annevk> a document explaining there is no need would be fine too
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  234. # [14:25] <annevk> there's a few things that come to mind, like not wanting to be locked into particular bugs; getting too afraid of changes
  235. # [14:27] <annevk> competing on performance and quality giving different strategies a chance to compete with each other benefiting all in the end
  236. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> How about you write it? :)
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  238. # [14:29] <annevk> I was hoping that would not be needed :)
  239. # [14:29] <Philip`> It also seems important to prevent one organisation from dictating the platform, since they'll have incentives to do things that benefit themselves at the expense of others
  240. # [14:30] <Dashiva> Well, that's why I said there would always be multiple engines
  241. # [14:30] <Dashiva> Because someone would say "This is wrong" and fork it
  242. # [14:31] <Philip`> If that were always the case, why do lots of monopolies still exist today?
  243. # [14:31] <Dashiva> Such as?
  244. # [14:35] <Philip`> Not necessarily on the web, but in lots of fields - once someone's platform becomes entrenched it's very hard to successfully fork it
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  247. # [14:35] <Dashiva> But this is the web
  248. # [14:36] <Philip`> If Microsoft had been a little better at getting people to use ActiveX then it would have been far harder for any other browser engines to become successful
  249. # [14:37] <Dashiva> Then it wouldn't be the web
  250. # [14:39] <Dashiva> (And maybe more relevantly, it wouldn't be a browser engine anymore, it would be a plugin platform)
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