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  1. # Session Start: Sun Oct 24 00:00:00 2010
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  11. # [00:14] <karlcow> http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/oct-10/sky-is-falling
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  16. # [00:23] <Dashiva> karlcow: I like how the very first comment is "the tools will save us"
  17. # [00:24] <karlcow> they always do somehow, sometimes brutally. BOOM!
  18. # [00:26] <MikeSmith> of course the tools will ultimately destroy us
  19. # [00:26] <MikeSmith> and replace us with tools
  20. # [00:28] <Dashiva> hey will save us from our untoolness
  21. # [00:28] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: you just want to be a tool
  22. # [00:28] <karlcow> I had this dream one night of this week where we found a way to outlive our bodies and we were put in a sort of supercomputer where we could continue to live without limit of space and time (digital world, mathematical metaphor) but…
  23. # [00:28] <MikeSmith> hey , you are already a tool!
  24. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> just kidding
  25. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> I'm a tool too
  26. # [00:29] <karlcow> then suddenly an animal comes around, or just a rock falling on the on/off button and extinct all civilizations :) zwwwwiiiig.
  27. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> karlcow: nobody wants to hear about your dreams
  28. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> BORING
  29. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> what lame dream
  30. # [00:30] <Dashiva> <karlkow> or just a rock falling on the planet earth and extinct all civilizations :) zwwwwiiiig.
  31. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> it does have some violence though
  32. # [00:30] <karlcow> :D there's a dream with MikeSmith too… but cough
  33. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> heh
  34. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> put some sex into that dream
  35. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> some nasty stuff
  36. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> then you may have something
  37. # [00:30] <MikeSmith> some bestiality maybe
  38. # [00:31] <MikeSmith> you got an animal in there already
  39. # [00:31] <MikeSmith> so that's a plus
  40. # [00:31] <MikeSmith> work with it
  41. # [00:31] * karlcow is making mental images for tonight
  42. # [00:32] <MikeSmith> man, I am really filling up the channel with crap today
  43. # [00:32] <MikeSmith> I would hate to see these logs
  44. # [00:32] <MikeSmith> people reading the logs: sorry
  45. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> actually, not sorry
  46. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> if you are reading the logs of this channel, you are lame
  47. # [00:33] <Dashiva> Seppuku is the only way out now, MikeSmith
  48. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> and you need to get a real life
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  50. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: I tried that once
  51. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> with a butter knife
  52. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> too much work
  53. # [00:34] <MikeSmith> hey, good example of "tools will save us"
  54. # [00:34] <MikeSmith> if I had had a real knife, I wouldn't be here now
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  56. # [00:35] <karlcow> hmm wood sword already done
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  61. # [00:44] <gsnedders> Hah, awesome. Club till 2am on the 31st Oct. But the clocks go back here at 2am on the 31st :)
  62. # [00:44] <gsnedders> So which 2am…
  63. # [00:46] <Philip`> If they go back at 2am, I imagine that means they go to 01:59:59.999... then back to 01:00:00, so it's only 2am once
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  81. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> Web-Application Analysis and Debugging Technologies
  82. # [01:23] <benschwarz> MikeSmith: Hola :)
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  84. # [01:24] <MikeSmith> benschwarz: aqui
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  92. # [01:51] <MikeSmith> http://getfirebug.com/ locks up my Minefield
  93. # [01:51] <MikeSmith> hmm
  94. # [01:51] <MikeSmith> maybe it's OK
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  106. # [03:01] * karlcow is doing stupid stats on words into html5
  107. # [03:01] <karlcow> word frequency exactly
  108. # [03:01] <karlcow> cat HTML5.txt | tr -sc '[A-Z][a-z]' '[\012*]' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > html5-sorted.txt
  109. # [03:03] <karlcow> first significant noun is "element" (5691)
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  112. # [03:18] <Dashiva> karlcow: I would include -
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  115. # [03:34] <karlcow> Dashiva: as an acceptable character?
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  120. # [03:54] <Dashiva> karlcow: Yes
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  191. # [11:28] <Karen_m> when designing websites, is there a great resource for learning? a good book, something/anything?
  192. # [11:28] <Karen_m> i stumble when it comes to the design of sites
  193. # [11:29] <aho> there probably aren't many designers here
  194. # [12:08] <webben> Karen_m: I haven't read it, but I've heard positive things about http://www.amazon.co.uk/Non-designers-Design-Book-Typographic-Principles/dp/1566091594
  195. # [12:09] <webben> Karen_m: See also http://usability.gov/ , http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dont-Make-Think-Usability-Circle-Com/dp/0789723107 , http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/ , http://webtypography.net/
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  197. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> Karen_m: using View Source and developer tools in browser
  198. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> *browsers
  199. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> like Firebug
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  201. # [12:12] <MikeSmith> copying somebody's existing CSS locally and modifying it to see what happens
  202. # [12:15] <Karen_m> I've been stealing (well, copying/modifying.. but when it comes to my own color schemes or layout, it's horrible :)
  203. # [12:17] <webben> Karen_m: Also http://www.adobe.com/products/kuler/ ... re color schemes.
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  209. # [12:27] <MikeSmith> so we have several different efforts in the works on defining a remote-debugging protocol
  210. # [12:28] <MikeSmith> Firebug Crossfire, ChromeDevTools, Opera Dragonfly
  211. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> and WebKit Web Inspector protocol?
  212. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> which is different from the ChromeDevTools protocol?
  213. # [12:30] <MikeSmith> is it time that we should be trying to define a standard protocol for this?
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  215. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> s/Dragonfly/Scope/
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  234. # [13:45] <annevk> so it seems I'm lame, but why would Media Queries say anything about specificity?
  235. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> Because some people think they would increase specificity
  236. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> (No idea why they would)
  237. # [13:47] <annevk> that's like thinking an <h1> starts hauling at the moon if you do not enclose it in <section>
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  239. # [13:47] <annevk> maybe not quite that bad
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  241. # [13:48] <annevk> but giving stating all the negative cases as well would make specifications almost infinitely long
  242. # [13:48] <annevk> s/giving//
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  245. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> Though css-cascade would probably be a better place for such a note
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  251. # [14:14] <karlcow> cat HTML5.txt | tr -sc '[A-Z][a-z][\-??]' '[\012*]' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > html5-sorted.txt
  252. # [14:15] <karlcow> Dashiva: first word with a dash: case-insensitive (154)
  253. # [14:16] <karlcow> ah another interesting case, not caught by the current regex :) 80 UTF-
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  267. # [14:53] <karlcow> above 1000 occurences after removing common words such the, a, etc.: element (5648) | attribute (4219) | U (3630) | must (2579) | value (2337) | user (2113) | elements (1632) | content (1432) | name (1303) | input (1178) | character (1177) | p (1149) | state (1101) | agent (1068) | set (1047)
  268. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> Looks like you need to allow +
  269. # [14:54] <karlcow> for U :)
  270. # [14:56] <karlcow> or more exactly U+ and digits
  271. # [14:57] <karlcow> or more exactly U+ and digits/letters
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  274. # [15:07] <karlcow> U+000A (90) | U+0020 (86) | U+002D (73) | U+0030 (69) | U+0009 (67) | U+0039 (62) | U+003E (59) | U+000D (55) | U+003C (49) | U+00338 (49) | U+000C (47) | U+002F (46) | U+0041 (44) | U+005A (39) | U+0022 (35) | U+0061 (32) | U+0027 (31) | U+007A (27) | U+003A (23) | U+0023 (21) | U+0FE00 (20) | U+0026 (20) | U+003B (18) | U+020D2 (17) | U+003D (17) | U+002E (13) | U+002B (13) | U+002C (11) | U+0021 (11) | U+003F (10)
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