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  325. # [23:38] <jgraham> I hink this is the point at which I bitch about the current state of airports in northern europe
  326. # [23:38] <jgraham> +t
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  328. # [23:41] <oojacoboo> are there any plans to improve the inspector tools in Chrome?
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  331. # [23:42] <AryehGregor> oojacoboo, they're being improved on a regular basis.
  332. # [23:42] <oojacoboo> I'd love to make the switch from firefox to Chrome, but the current dev tools make my css work much more difficult, over firebug, and birebug lite is just not good enough for solid use
  333. # [23:42] <AryehGregor> Interesting. I found Web Inspector good enough for my purposes, but I suppose I don't do so much front-end development.
  334. # [23:42] <AryehGregor> If there are specific missing features you'd like, the Chrome/WebKit people would undoubtedly appreciate it if you filed bugs.
  335. # [23:43] <webben> oojacoboo: improve them to do what?
  336. # [23:43] <AryehGregor> I guess they know that's a reason a lot of people use Firefox instead, so they're eager to improve it.
  337. # [23:43] <AryehGregor> When I filed a bug asking for a new Web Inspector feature, it was added pretty quickly.
  338. # [23:43] <AryehGregor> (YMMV)
  339. # [23:43] * webben never understood what firebug lite offered over webkit inspector
  340. # [23:43] <oojacoboo> the one thing that is keeping me back is inspection on element and color based element identification
  341. # [23:44] <webben> oojacoboo: do you mean highlighting the element in the page
  342. # [23:44] <oojacoboo> for instance, inspect an element, then hover over it in the html DOM and it will highlight that elements box model
  343. # [23:44] <oojacoboo> but everything is blue, you can't tell if it's padding, margin, or what
  344. # [23:44] <oojacoboo> in firebug, I can do this and know within a second exactly the issue
  345. # [23:44] <AryehGregor> Yeah, that's nice in Firebug.
  346. # [23:45] <oojacoboo> huge
  347. # [23:45] <oojacoboo> probably saves me hours a week
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  349. # [23:45] <webben> oojacoboo: sounds worthy of an RFE
  350. # [23:45] <oojacoboo> RFE?
  351. # [23:46] <webben> request for enhancement
  352. # [23:46] <oojacoboo> also, the layout inspector is much nicer to look at on firebug
  353. # [23:47] <oojacoboo> and the tabs across the top to access that or the styling, is much quicker for navigation and scrolling down the collapsable list
  354. # [23:47] <oojacoboo> s/and/than
  355. # [23:48] <oojacoboo> I think that the Chrome team would find themselves seeing a lot more developers jumping onboard if they improved the dev tools
  356. # [23:48] <oojacoboo> and as we all know, when developers choose to go one way, others tend to follow
  357. # [23:49] <oojacoboo> I've been holding out for about 2 years now on Chrome waiting for firebug or something decent
  358. # [23:50] <AryehGregor> oojacoboo, you should really try filing bugs asking for specific missing features.
  359. # [23:50] <AryehGregor> They're browser implementers, they're not going to know what web developers want exactly.
  360. # [23:50] <oojacoboo> I would if it didn't require so much work
  361. # [23:51] <AryehGregor> It doesn't require work.
  362. # [23:51] <oojacoboo> a form with 30 elements == work
  363. # [23:51] <AryehGregor> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/entry
  364. # [23:51] <AryehGregor> I count three elements.
  365. # [23:51] <oojacoboo> mmm
  366. # [23:51] <oojacoboo> must have been mozillas that was so bad
  367. # [23:51] <AryehGregor> Mozilla's is okay these days too.
  368. # [23:52] <oojacoboo> bugzilla... that is a pile of shit
  369. # [23:52] <oojacoboo> worst ui on the planet
  370. # [23:52] <AryehGregor> Bugzilla has very bad UI, yes.
  371. # [23:53] <AryehGregor> Google Code's tracker has very nice UI, though.
  372. # [23:53] <oojacoboo> yea, this looks ok
  373. # [23:53] <oojacoboo> I can actually tell what's going on
  374. # [23:56] <oojacoboo> submitted
  375. # [23:56] <oojacoboo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=67512
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