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  99. # [04:57] <hober> yes
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  127. # [06:43] <user_> wtf
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  170. # [09:36] <Hixie> given a MouseEvent whose target is a <canvas>, how do I find the coordinate of the mouse relative to the canvas?
  171. # [09:37] <benschwarz> Hixie: there?
  172. # [09:37] <Hixie> yup
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  174. # [09:43] <benschwarz> there is nothing to say we can't use it on the main spec
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  192. # [11:00] <annevk> Hixie, offsetX/offsetY I think, but they're not cross-browser (yet); see e.g. http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08-paintr21
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  195. # [11:08] <Ms2ger> annevk, seems like the Save it button works in Fx here
  196. # [11:10] <annevk> in my URLs dates have meaning
  197. # [11:10] <Ms2ger> Ha
  198. # [11:13] <annevk> so with mutation events off the table
  199. # [11:13] <annevk> is there anything we want to do before publishing again?
  200. # [11:14] <annevk> a) adding ElementTraversal b) making the historical section somewhat more complete
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  203. # [11:14] <annevk> I'm not sure about: events loop and event handlers
  204. # [11:15] <annevk> oh, and I recently learned that ele.className in SVG does not return a string!
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  206. # [11:15] <annevk> so I guess we cannot generalize className :/
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  208. # [11:20] <annevk> childElementCount grmbl
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  211. # [11:23] <Ms2ger> Ooh, and it has tests
  212. # [11:24] <Ms2ger> "The result of this test is a pass! Srsly."
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  223. # [12:13] <annevk> hmm
  224. # [12:14] <annevk> shepazu did not include childElementCount in http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM4Core/DOM4Core.html
  225. # [12:14] <annevk> I wonder if the idea is to get rid of it again...
  226. # [12:18] <Ms2ger> Seems unlikely we could
  227. # [12:19] <annevk> that's for jgraham to say
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  229. # [12:20] <hsivonen> Dear lazy IRC, how do I horizontally center an element whose width is non-auto and whose vertical position is given by absolute positioning?
  230. # [12:20] <hsivonen> without calc
  231. # [12:21] <hsivonen> I now have right: -moz-calc(50% - 412px);
  232. # [12:21] <hsivonen> (without calc because I'm trying to be nice to Other Browsers)
  233. # [12:22] <annevk> why not margin:0 auto?
  234. # [12:22] <Rik`> right: 50%
  235. # [12:22] <annevk> oh, and if it's absolutely positioned you could add left:0 / right:0
  236. # [12:22] <Rik`> margin-right: -412px
  237. # [12:22] <annevk> then margin:auto should work
  238. # [12:23] <annevk> Rik`, that goes wrong with narrow viewports
  239. # [12:23] <hsivonen> annevk: right: 0; moves it to the right edge of the view port
  240. # [12:23] <hsivonen> annevk: margin: auto; does not seem to work with absolute positioning
  241. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> <div style="top:20px;left:0;right:0;border:thin solid;width:412px;margin:0 auto">a</div>
  242. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> WFM
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  245. # [12:26] <hsivonen> Rik`'s solution works.
  246. # [12:26] <hsivonen> let's try Ms2ger's solution again
  247. # [12:27] <hsivonen> Ms2ger wins. Thanks!
  248. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> annevk wins :)
  249. # [12:27] <annevk> hmm, that was what I suggested
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  251. # [12:28] <hsivonen> annevk: oh. right. I thought left: 0 / right: 0 meant either one of them
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  256. # [12:34] <annevk> for now I commented out childElementCount
  257. # [12:34] <annevk> I guess I should also refactor the spec to use "Trees"
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  261. # [12:39] <annevk> so we still lack a replacement for DOM Traversal
  262. # [12:40] <annevk> is that the only DOM spec that is not obsoleted yet aside from the various event definitions in DOM Events?
  263. # [12:40] <annevk> or has a replacement
  264. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> http://www.w3.org/DOM/DOMTR
  265. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> Looks like it
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  267. # [12:43] <annevk> oh, XPath
  268. # [12:44] <annevk> never became a REC, but is used and all
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  277. # [13:10] <annevk> Ms2ger, do we really need to use "context node"?
  278. # [13:11] <annevk> Ms2ger, e.g. "Events" does not have a similar concept and many other specifications do not either
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  282. # [13:11] <annevk> that is, it's implicit in the definition
  283. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> I guess context object makes more sense
  284. # [13:13] <annevk> you don't think we can just say "the y attribute must return the x"
  285. # [13:16] <Ms2ger> That would probably work as long as there's only one object around
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  295. # [13:55] <annevk> I guess I'll wait a bit with making that change, but I think I'll just go ahead in due course
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  303. # [14:21] <annevk> tried updating the history section
  304. # [14:21] <annevk> https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/dom-core
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  315. # [15:12] <annevk> so baseURI
  316. # [15:12] <annevk> I guess we need "document base URL" and "element base URL"
  317. # [15:12] <annevk> have the parsing specs set them
  318. # [15:12] <annevk> and have it return null for non element/document objects
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  320. # [15:13] <annevk> should we try moving it away from Node?
  321. # [15:13] <annevk> guess I'll leave it an open issue for now
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  323. # [15:17] <Ms2ger> Text.baseURI and friends should probably be their parent's baseURI
  324. # [15:20] <annevk> oh okay
  325. # [15:20] <annevk> yeah :/
  326. # [15:21] <annevk> crappy API
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  328. # [15:22] <annevk> time to get to the station
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  440. # [21:17] <annevk> can people take a look at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#historical ?
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  442. # [21:18] <annevk> just a single line useful/useless would already help
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  444. # [21:22] <AryehGregor> annevk, history is useful IMO.
  445. # [21:22] <AryehGregor> Also interesting.
  446. # [21:24] <annevk> Ms2ger, why does http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#dom-domimplementation-hasfeature still look broken?
  447. # [21:25] <Ms2ger> Fixed
  448. # [21:25] <annevk> oh, I guess the fix wasn't pushed to W3C space, doh
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  459. # [22:20] <AryehGregor> I have rebelled against Anolis and created a new preprocessor that I stick before Anolis in my pipeline.
  460. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> Before: <p>The <dfn>first node</dfn> of a <code data-anolis-spec=domrange>Range</code> is its <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-range-start>start</span> <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-boundary-point-node>node</span>, if that is a <code data-anolis-spec=domcore>Text</code>, <code data-anolis-spec=domcore>Comment</code>, or <code data-anolis-spec=domcore>ProcessingInstruction</code> node; or else the child of its <spa
  461. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> n data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-range-start>start</span> <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-boundary-point-node>node</span> with <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-indexof>index</span> equal to the <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-range-start>start</span> <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-boundary-point-offset>offset</span>, if that exists; or else its <span data-anolis-spec=domrange ti
  462. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> tle=concept-range-start>start</span> <span data-anolis-spec=domrange title=concept-boundary-point-node>node</span>.
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  464. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> After: <p>The <dfn>first node</dfn> of a [[range]] is its [[rangestart]] [[bpnode]], if that is a [[text]], [[comment]], or [[processinginstruction]] node; or else the child of its [[rangestart]] [[bpnode]] with [[index]] equal to the [[rangestart]] [[bpoffset]], if that exists; or else its [[rangestart]] [[bpnode]].
  465. # [22:22] <AryehGregor> Now I will not have to want to kill something every time I write a simple sentence with cross-spec xrefs.
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  470. # [22:25] <AryehGregor> Probably hacking Anolis so it can automatically convert <code>Range</code> into <code data-anolis-spec=domrange>Range</code> and so on would have done the trick too.
  471. # [22:26] <AryehGregor> Although HTML really is a pretty nasty language to write by hand if you don't go really light on the markup.
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  475. # [22:44] <uf0> what are your guys thoughts on language like HAML?
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  481. # [23:10] <Hixie> is mouseout unreliable? i'm having trouble getting it to work with a weirdly positioned canvas but can't work out if it's a browser-specific bug with chrome or if it's known to be unreliable in general
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  486. # [23:21] <annevk> Hixie, they might fire on a bit of a delay so if you move it out of the browser window quickly and then back in again it might not dispatch at all
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