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  20. # [00:41] <aho> there really should be a global vendor prefix registry which is maintained by browser vendors
  21. # [00:41] <aho> the current state is somewhat troublesome
  22. # [00:42] <paul_irish> how so
  23. # [00:42] <paul_irish> like when things go unprefixed.. and what existing prefixed props are supported by each?
  24. # [00:42] <aho> there are hundreds of prefixes and figuring out which one is still needed is pretty time consuming
  25. # [00:42] <aho> yes
  26. # [00:43] <paul_irish> hundreds of prefixes? i thought there were only 4 practical ones.. and then like ~14 that are in some spec somewhere.
  27. # [00:43] <aho> like -moz-opacity was required for firefox <0.9 and it's completely ignored since 3.5
  28. # [00:44] <Peter-> I got history info on http://peter.sh/experiments/vendor-prefixed-css-property-overview/ which I plan to do things with
  29. # [00:44] <paul_irish> mozilla and google are (and will be) documenting that on the MDC
  30. # [00:44] <Peter-> the primary problem is that gecko and webkit can be automated, whereas Opera and Microsoft cannot
  31. # [00:44] <Peter-> (I did e-mail them)
  32. # [00:45] <aho> http://code.google.com/p/cssmin/source/browse/tags/version-2.0/cssmin.php
  33. # [00:45] <aho> line 386 and up
  34. # [00:45] <gsnedders> Peter-: Automated in what way?
  35. # [00:46] <Peter-> Both Gecko as WebKit maintain a single file in which all properties are available
  36. # [00:46] <aho> where is that file?
  37. # [00:46] <aho> havent seen it on mdc
  38. # [00:46] <Peter-> I fetch them every three hours, parse the files into individual properties and update my db
  39. # [00:46] <Peter-> it also feeds the rss feed
  40. # [00:47] <Peter-> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/tip/layout/style/nsCSSPropList.h
  41. # [00:47] <Peter-> http://trac.webkit.org/export/0/trunk/Source/WebCore/css/CSSPropertyNames.in
  42. # [00:47] <gsnedders> Right, so it's just a bi-product of them being open-source.
  43. # [00:47] <aho> ahm... ok... pulling it out of the source directly
  44. # [00:47] <aho> hoped there was some json file or even xml or whatever
  45. # [00:47] <Peter-> Opera doesn't maintain a single (or conveniently accessible) list. Microsoft has a few pages on MSDN which list all, but usually with a 3/4 month delay
  46. # [00:48] <Peter-> I do have a json
  47. # [00:48] <aho> linky? :)
  48. # [00:49] <Peter-> http://peter.sh/data/vendor-prefixed-css.php
  49. # [00:49] <paul_irish> hero!
  50. # [00:49] <aho> :D
  51. # [00:51] <Peter-> I have code (and data) for such lists on all properties (including non-prefixed ones) per browser version somewhere too, but I *really* need to finish that sometime soon
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  53. # [00:52] <aho> would be cool if that would end up in some official place (i.e. some place which can be actually found by anyone)
  54. # [00:52] <paul_irish> what were you searching for to attempt to find it?
  55. # [00:53] <paul_irish> 'List CSS Style Properties' ?
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  57. # [00:54] <gsnedders> Peter-: FWIW, publishing a complete list of properties supported for any Presto version should be trivial
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  59. # [00:56] <aho> paul_irish, me? i look most of them up on mdc and i crosschecked that IE stuff with msdn. that's about it.
  60. # [00:56] <paul_irish> k
  61. # [00:56] <aho> didn't know where else to look
  62. # [00:57] <aho> gsnedders, would be awesome :)
  63. # [00:57] <Peter-> gsnedders, I requested it late last year but never got a reply. The presto docs are complete, but the properties are listed all over the place
  64. # [00:57] <Peter-> that makes it hard to automate
  65. # [00:58] <gsnedders> Peter-: I can quite trivially send you a .txt file with one property per line
  66. # [00:58] <aho> soo... only microsoft is missing then eh? :)
  67. # [00:58] <Peter-> gsnedders, that'd be great
  68. # [00:58] <gsnedders> Peter-: Do you want multiple versions or just latest?
  69. # [00:59] <Peter-> gsnedders, just the latest will do. My e-mail address is peter@lvp-media.com
  70. # [00:59] <Peter-> gsnedders, thank you!
  71. # [01:01] <aho> Peter-, got some twitter account? (would like to be up to date on this heh) :>
  72. # [01:02] <Peter-> aho, I'm @beverloo. I don't really have an ETA, but it surely is high on my list :)
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  74. # [01:02] <aho> twitter stalkers++
  75. # [01:02] <smaug____> why does <progress> have .form?
  76. # [01:03] <aho> ah yea, twiter already told me several times to stalk you, too :)
  77. # [01:04] <Peter-> Cool :-). I'm off to bed for now, night
  78. # [01:04] <aho> nn
  79. # [01:05] <smaug____> ah, hmm, nm
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  81. # [01:06] <smaug____> er, no, I don't still get it
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  83. # [01:08] <gsnedders> Peter-: sent
  84. # [01:08] <aho> woo! :)
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  87. # [01:10] <aho> now, if everything goes right this stuff will go straight into preprocessors like sass/less/cssmin/whatever
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  89. # [01:11] <gsnedders> (for those curious, see www-arhcive)
  90. # [01:11] <gsnedders> *www-archive
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  92. # [01:12] <aho> for the lazy ones: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Mar/0007.html
  93. # [01:12] <aho> <:
  94. # [01:13] <aho> sorted by length... odd :)
  95. # [01:13] <aho> -xv-voice-pitch-range
  96. # [01:13] <aho> <- what's that?
  97. # [01:14] <zewt> tts?
  98. # [01:14] <aho> -o-, -wap-, and -xv- prefixes... hum :>
  99. # [01:16] <gsnedders> aho: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/xhtml-voice-in-style/
  100. # [01:16] <aho> -apple-dashboard-region
  101. # [01:16] <aho> <- and that one
  102. # [01:16] <aho> gsnedders, ah :)
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  104. # [01:19] <Philip`> (You can get that list of properties just by running "strings" on the opera binary and looking at the right section)
  105. # [01:20] <AryehGregor> I love doing that.
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  109. # [01:29] <aho> i wonder if it's possible to pull that out of document.documentElement.style somehow
  110. # [01:29] <AryehGregor> Just try assigning every possible string as a style property and see which ones work.
  111. # [01:29] <aho> but it seems like those properties are hidden by non-iter magic :l
  112. # [01:30] <aho> i.e. "in" works, but for-in doesnt
  113. # [01:31] <gsnedders> aho: That's just the [[Configurable]] property of the property in ES
  114. # [01:31] <gsnedders> Configurable? Enumerable.
  115. # [01:31] * gsnedders is blatantly too tired
  116. # [01:31] <aho> ye, but there is no way around that, is there?
  117. # [01:32] <aho> i mean... except for brute force
  118. # [01:32] <AryehGregor> The longest one is only 29 characters.
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  120. # [01:32] <aho> gonna try them all! :v
  121. # [01:32] <gsnedders> aho: No, there isn't.
  122. # [01:32] <AryehGregor> That's counting the hyphens, so I guess for our purposes it's really 25 characters.
  123. # [01:32] <aho> i wonder how long that would take with IE6-9's JS engines :>
  124. # [01:32] <AryehGregor> There are what, only 52 possible characters then?
  125. # [01:32] <AryehGregor> So it's only 52^25, which is, um . . .
  126. # [01:33] <aho> >>> print 52**25
  127. # [01:33] <aho> 7944811378381907919170379739856654861074432
  128. # [01:34] <AryehGregor> 7944811378381907919170379739856654861074432
  129. # [01:34] <aho> 7.9 paininthearseillions
  130. # [01:34] <gsnedders> aho: pff, you should be using some JS prompt ;P
  131. # [01:34] <AryehGregor> I did /exec -o calc 52^25
  132. # [01:34] <aho> had that one open .)
  133. # [01:34] <AryehGregor> But XChat complained that there was already a process running.
  134. # [01:35] <AryehGregor> So I had to do pstree, ps aux a couple of times, and some kills before XChat would let me run the command.
  135. # [01:35] <AryehGregor> So you beat me. :(
  136. # [01:35] <aho> > print(Math.pow(52,25));
  137. # [01:35] <aho> 7.944811378381908e+42
  138. # [01:35] <gsnedders> Though admittedly the exact behaviour of Math.pow is undefined
  139. # [01:35] <aho> meep :)
  140. # [01:36] <aho> well, i think this would take pretty long... :>
  141. # [01:38] <AryehGregor> I don't think you'd need more than about a trillion universe-lifetimes, if you had a decent supercomputer.
  142. # [01:38] <AryehGregor> Hardly worth talking about if you're used to thermodynamics.
  143. # [01:40] <aho> hm
  144. # [01:40] <aho> well, there are rules to this
  145. # [01:41] <aho> one could use some kind of dictionary
  146. # [01:41] <AryehGregor> One could also run strings on the binary.
  147. # [01:41] <aho> that's cheating :v
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  151. # [02:00] <AryehGregor> Does ISSUE-56 matter?
  152. # [02:00] <AryehGregor> (IRI normative references)
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  227. # [06:53] <Yuhong> FYI, <XMP> was deprecated when HTML was made based on SGML.
  228. # [06:54] <Yuhong> The problem is that they didn't like the SGML CDATA feature.
  229. # [06:58] <Yuhong> But the funny thing is that then they later added the <SCRIPT> and <STYLE> tags, which had to be CDATA. (STYLE is the older one, BTW)
  230. # [06:59] <Yuhong> Now that HTML is no longer based on SGML, I wonder whether it should be undeprecated.
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  247. # [09:23] <annevk> short night o_O
  248. # [09:23] <annevk> but home safe home
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  254. # [09:27] <foolip_> annevk, did you see the stuff in http://code.google.com/p/html5/issues/list ?
  255. # [09:28] <annevk> oh hey cool
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  258. # [09:37] <annevk> foolip_, so no, but I will patch
  259. # [09:38] <foolip_> ok
  260. # [09:38] <foolip_> I'm playing with my "log by section" thing, so I poked around a bit in your tool
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  264. # [09:39] <foolip_> it's been twice now that there have been changes in the video section that I didn't notice until much later and I consider to be regressions, so it'd be good to keep track of sections
  265. # [09:40] <annevk> hmm
  266. # [09:41] <annevk> I guess I should leave my server details with someone
  267. # [09:41] <annevk> In case it gets hacked again and for updating html5.org related services
  268. # [09:41] <foolip_> it got hacked?
  269. # [09:41] <annevk> I suspect that might be tricky from an internet cafe in Bolivia
  270. # [09:42] <foolip_> in any case you shouldn't work during vacation
  271. # [09:42] <annevk> there were a couple of suspicious files
  272. # [09:42] <annevk> so far I have not managed avoiding reading a bunch of stuff while on vacation
  273. # [09:42] <annevk> including mailing lists :/
  274. # [09:42] <annevk> maybe this time it will be better, since it is so long
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  276. # [09:44] <foolip_> well, if you trust me, I could take a hack at updating the icon and shorturl thing and get an account in the process
  277. # [09:45] <annevk> I do
  278. # [09:46] <annevk> the subversion stuff is somewhat disconnected from the actual code btw
  279. # [09:46] <annevk> the actual code lives somewhere on my server together with my own site and a dozen others
  280. # [09:46] <foolip_> is it in sync at least?
  281. # [09:47] <annevk> apart from the change I made the other day
  282. # [09:47] <foolip_> that it doesn't autoupdate doesn't surprise me, that'd be enterprisy
  283. # [09:47] <annevk> I can check that in and then give you the ssh password somehow
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  289. # [10:18] <annevk> Hixie, you online?
  290. # [10:19] <annevk> Hixie, can you add foolip to http://code.google.com/p/html5/ and maybe make someone co-owner or admin so we don't have to rely on just you?
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  293. # [10:56] <Peter-> gsnedders: got it, thanks!
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  298. # [11:07] <smaug____> annevk: do you happen to know why <progress> is a form-associated element?
  299. # [11:09] <annevk> I remember it being changed to that at some point on request
  300. # [11:09] * annevk looks in logs
  301. # [11:11] <annevk> hmm, at least over 1000 revisions ago
  302. # [11:12] <annevk> smaug____, it was for <label> I think: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4530&to=4531
  303. # [11:13] <annevk> which has http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8554 associated with it
  304. # [11:13] * smaug____ looks
  305. # [11:14] <annevk> yay for web-apps-tracker
  306. # [11:14] <annevk> answering questions for at least a few years now
  307. # [11:15] <smaug____> why does having label require form association ?
  308. # [11:17] <smaug____> or what useful does having progress.form bring in?
  309. # [11:17] <annevk> the way <label> is defined it requires a form-associated element at the moment
  310. # [11:17] <annevk> I am not sure really, maybe we should change it somewhat
  311. # [11:18] <annevk> maybe it is for form.elements to make sense
  312. # [11:19] <smaug____> if progress was resetable, this all would make some more sense
  313. # [11:19] <annevk> can you have labeled progress bar outside a form?
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  315. # [11:19] <smaug____> why not?
  316. # [11:20] <annevk> just asking
  317. # [11:20] <smaug____> actually, should <progress> be even submittabled
  318. # [11:20] <annevk> don't think so
  319. # [11:20] <smaug____> submittable
  320. # [11:20] <annevk> can you file a bug?
  321. # [11:20] <smaug____> yeah
  322. # [11:21] <annevk> maybe hixie didn't consider making <label> work for non-form controls
  323. # [11:26] <smaug____> annevk: btw, progress isn't even "Listed element", so it doesn't show up in form.elements
  324. # [11:27] <annevk> oh ok
  325. # [11:27] <annevk> I remember not knowing why Hixie did it at the time but not caring enough to question it
  326. # [11:27] <annevk> hopefully I have not that too often, but I guess others pick it up in due course
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  328. # [11:28] <smaug____> I was reviewing volkmar's patch for this and wondered why there is the .form
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  339. # [12:13] <foolip_> annevk, so diffs are cached in the diffs/ folder to relieve the SVN server in web-apps-tracker ?
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  348. # [12:50] <Dashiva> MikeSmith: Even if you use a fake URL, you're still giving away intimate knowledge of what the place is called :P
  349. # [12:58] <volkmar> smaug____: there is a .form for progress?
  350. # [12:59] <smaug____> volkmar: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-button-element.html#the-progress-element
  351. # [13:00] <smaug____> volkmar: and in your patch you do implement .form
  352. # [13:01] <volkmar> eh, meter has .form too...
  353. # [13:01] <smaug____> volkmar: the w3c bug is about meter too
  354. # [13:01] <volkmar> smaug____: i guess i should try to think a little bit more when i implement something
  355. # [13:01] <volkmar> smaug____: what's the # ?
  356. # [13:02] <smaug____> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-button-element.html#the-progress-element
  357. # [13:02] <volkmar> smaug____: NaN :)
  358. # [13:02] <smaug____> uups
  359. # [13:02] <smaug____> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12254
  360. # [13:03] <volkmar> thanks
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  372. # [14:12] <annevk> foolip, right
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  393. # [15:09] <foolip_> updated gecko, opera and ie icons on http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker, any objections?
  394. # [15:10] <annevk> wow much better
  395. # [15:11] <annevk> although not too great on the red I guess
  396. # [15:12] <annevk> volkmar, hope my reply helped
  397. # [15:13] <volkmar> annevk: yep
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  399. # [15:13] <foolip_> annevk, difficult to do much about that, the icons are the colors they are
  400. # [15:13] <foolip_> well, one could add shadows or something, but I'm not gonna
  401. # [15:14] <annevk> yeah, I was thinking maybe forcing a background color or something
  402. # [15:15] <annevk> adding a box-shadow to img is funny though :)
  403. # [15:15] <annevk> but not sure it looks better
  404. # [15:16] <foolip_> if something can be done with just CSS, that'd be nice
  405. # [15:16] <foolip_> the ie icon is especially ugly on red
  406. # [15:18] <foolip_> annevk, see http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fhtml5.org%2Ftools%2Fweb-apps-tracker
  407. # [15:18] <foolip_> was it necessary to add value="" for some browser?
  408. # [15:18] <foolip_> just removing it still leaves an empty input box for me
  409. # [15:19] <foolip_> ah, I see it's because of the template
  410. # [15:19] <foolip_> maybe value="" should just be valid?
  411. # [15:20] <annevk> img { background:#fff; box-shadow:1px 1px 2px #fff } maybe?
  412. # [15:20] <annevk> value is not valid?
  413. # [15:21] <annevk> actually
  414. # [15:21] <annevk> img { background:#fff; padding:1px }
  415. # [15:21] <annevk> is pretty good
  416. # [15:21] <annevk> in Opera anyway
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  418. # [15:23] <foolip_> isn't a box going to be very boxy?
  419. # [15:23] <foolip_> if one makes it blurry enough maybe it will look good
  420. # [15:24] <foolip_> filed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12256 for the value="" thing
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  422. # [15:26] <annevk> foolip_, it's boxy but decent looking :)
  423. # [15:26] <foolip_> annevk, are you editing it live now so I can see?
  424. # [15:26] <annevk> live in Opera :)
  425. # [15:26] <annevk> so no
  426. # [15:27] <annevk> I just did view source and save changes
  427. # [15:28] <foolip_> img { background:#fff; padding:1px } looks very white I'll say
  428. # [15:29] <foolip_> SVG filters would be better for this I think
  429. # [15:29] <foolip_> one wants a greyscale copy of the alpha channel and then to smear that a bit, maybe tainting it a bit white/yellow
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  431. # [15:31] <annevk> well yeah, you could apply rocket science
  432. # [15:31] <annevk> i was just going for visible
  433. # [15:31] <annevk> :)
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  436. # [15:33] <annevk> foolip_, where does it say valid="" is invalid?
  437. # [15:34] <foolip_> not sure if it does, just assuming validator.nu is correct
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  439. # [15:34] <annevk> i cannot find it
  440. # [15:35] <foolip_> can you find anything that says that the value should be a floating point number?
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  442. # [15:36] <annevk> ah good point, I guess I wasn't looking in the right section
  443. # [15:37] <annevk> "The value attribute, if specified, must have a value that is a valid floating point number."
  444. # [15:37] <annevk> not allowing the empty string there does indeed seem a bug
  445. # [15:39] <foolip_> annevk, should urlshortener.py be considered part of web-apps-tracker ?
  446. # [15:52] <annevk> I guess
  447. # [15:52] <annevk> structure is all kind of adhoc
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  502. # [20:43] <Hixie> foolip_: what's your e-mail address?
  503. # [20:43] <Hixie> annevk: made more of you admins
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  505. # [20:44] <foolip_> Hixie, for code.google.com purposes?
  506. # [20:44] <foolip_> if so, philip@foolip.org
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  508. # [20:45] <Hixie> yeah
  509. # [20:45] <Hixie> k, you're added
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  511. # [20:46] <Hixie> it auto-expanded you to a gmail address!
  512. # [20:46] <AryehGregor> What code is this?
  513. # [20:46] <Hixie> weird
  514. # [20:48] <foolip_> oh, I have added philip@foolip.org as an alternative to my google account
  515. # [20:48] <foolip_> too bad, I don't want anyone to ever use my gmail address :)
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  517. # [20:53] <foolip_> Hixie, looks like it worked, thanks!
  518. # [20:53] <foolip_> AryehGregor, just some changes to http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker
  519. # [20:53] <AryehGregor> Ah.
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