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  135. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie: just fyi, W3C bugzilla is not responding at the moment
  136. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> for the last 10-15 minutes or so now
  137. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> (in case you planning to do any bug responding today)
  138. # [09:08] <Ms2ger> (which might not have been a bad idea, looking at the queue :))
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  141. # [09:22] <MikeSmith> heh
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  145. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> the FF Nightly icon is pretty cool
  146. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> though the old Minefield icon was more fun
  147. # [09:42] <Ms2ger> Aurora's is pretty nice too
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  231. # [14:39] <karlcow> http://w3ctech.com/2011/html5 another version of the logo with angel wings
  232. # [14:40] <Dashiva> Summon the lawyers!
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  234. # [14:42] <karlcow> Dashiva: why?
  235. # [14:43] <Dashiva> Angel wings might be trademarked
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  240. # [14:56] <kennyluck> lol
  241. # [15:08] <MikeSmith> what is the airplane doing to that cloud?
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  272. # [16:34] <MikeSmith> ah, a CC0 vs MIT bikeshed
  273. # [16:34] <MikeSmith> breaking new ground
  274. # [16:36] <cooto> tell us more :)
  275. # [16:38] <MikeSmith> cooto: I should shut up about it actually, because I'm clearly lacking the capacity to understand how much of an essential improvement CC0 is over the MIT license the rest of us have been using like fools for so long without seeing how deeply inadequate it is
  276. # [16:38] <MikeSmith> hmm
  277. # [16:38] <MikeSmith> I probably should have shut up before I typed that
  278. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> I think what's really needed here is a Maoist-style "struggle session"
  279. # [16:40] <cooto> hahaha, ok you right
  280. # [16:40] <MikeSmith> where the MIT-license advocates are required to wear dunce caps with stuff like "Class Traitor" and "Reactionary" written on them
  281. # [16:41] <MikeSmith> while the CC0 party members scream educational slogans at them
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  283. # [16:42] <MikeSmith> it's like Jaws 5 -- "just when you thought the waters could not be muddied any more than they already have been, we find a way to muddy them further!"
  284. # [16:43] <MikeSmith> grand achievement, that
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  292. # [16:56] <karlcow> It's always interesting how these discussions tend to shut up some opinions. The cost of having to push your opinions and the likely violence of the answers of some people make it harder in some contexts.
  293. # [16:56] <karlcow> Basically, it is shutting off participation because people are extreme about their opinions, or binary.
  294. # [16:58] <karlcow> (but then I should probably shut up about that too because this comment will attract discussions I do not want necessary to have :) ah life;)
  295. # [17:03] <MikeSmith> karlcow: btw, thanks for your message on the qa-dev list
  296. # [17:04] <MikeSmith> about the w3c markup validator checking id values case-insensitively
  297. # [17:05] <MikeSmith> I guess I had heard the reason for that before, but had since forgotten
  298. # [17:05] <MikeSmith> and will likely forget it again
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  302. # [17:07] <MikeSmith> karlcow: anyway, to me, it's just yet another deficiency in the existing SGML-driven validator that shows why it needs to be replaced
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  304. # [17:11] <MikeSmith> karlcow: btw, please take a look at http://www.w3.org/wiki/BrowserTechnologies
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  306. # [17:11] <MikeSmith> karlcow: and if there is anything missing there, please add it
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  374. # [19:41] <ezoe> HTML5 specification said "a leading newline character immediately following the pre element start tag is stripped."
  375. # [19:42] <ezoe> what about a newline immediately preceeding </pre>?
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  382. # [19:50] <Philip`> ezoe: Only the leading newline is handled specially
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  394. # [20:03] <ezoe> so if i have <pre>[newline]text[newline]<pre>
  395. # [20:03] <ezoe> i got text[newline]
  396. # [20:04] <hober> yes
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  398. # [20:04] <ezoe> so if I render it. it will be
  399. # [20:04] <ezoe> text
  400. # [20:04] <ezoe>
  401. # [20:04] <ezoe> right?
  402. # [20:05] <rafaelw> MikeSmith: I emailed public-webapps@w3.org on Friday. Hixie says I should ping you to help get my first email unstuck.
  403. # [20:05] <ezoe> it's interesting why HTML5 has this rule.
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  405. # [20:05] <ezoe> only IE9 implement this behavior so this rule wasn't from existing behavior.
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  407. # [20:06] <ezoe> but even the IE9 also strip a last newline character.
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  412. # [20:13] <ezoe> all browser except IE9 strip first following and last preceeding newline character. IE9 strip last preceeding newline.
  413. # [20:13] <ezoe> Should I blame all browser?
  414. # [20:14] <ezoe> well, at least, in the latest version of IE, Chrome, Opera, Safari and Firefox.
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  423. # [20:32] <bga_> hm
  424. # [20:32] <bga_> nice idea
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  426. # [20:33] <bga_> UA should read orientation from exif data
  427. # [20:33] <bga_> and rotate image
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  492. # [22:25] <Philip`> ezoe: I think some (all?) browsers did the newline-skipping in the renderer, rather than in the parser
  493. # [22:25] <Philip`> so they should give the same appearance as what HTML5 specified, though with a different DOM
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  495. # [22:26] * Philip` doesn't remember the details, though
  496. # [22:26] <Philip`> (nor the reason for HTML5 doing what it does)
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  512. # [22:50] <ezoe> if there is a markup <pre>\ntext\n</pre> where \n is newline character.
  513. # [22:51] <ezoe> innerText should be "text\n".
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  515. # [22:53] <Philip`> innerText is a whole extra layer of complexity, I think
  516. # [22:53] <gsnedders> innerText is just a mindfuck
  517. # [22:53] <Philip`> Better to stick with textContent for testing :-)
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  519. # [22:53] <ezoe> same.
  520. # [22:54] <ezoe> all major browser except IE don't strip first newline.
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  522. # [22:55] <ezoe> if It's stripped in HTML syntax level. I expect i don't see it from DOM.
  523. # [22:55] <gsnedders> innerText has only a limited amount to do with the DOM, however
  524. # [22:56] <ezoe> i tested it against textContent.
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